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Post by Swanny on Feb 6, 2010 17:18:55 GMT
An all-too-familiar scoreline I'm afraid. Dave Thomas, summarizing, pointed the finger at Torquay's lack of firepower. Hardly surprising as we've only got 2 forwards to select from. Clearly the new formation of trying Thomson supporting Zebroski in attack did not work, well I don't think we had a shot in the first half. Sounds like we were better with Benyon supporting Zebroski in attack in the second half, but still no goals. I wonder if Sills would have done better ? Good to hear Branston having a good game and also Mansell playing in central midfield again. But our current run suggests we're heading in one direction and we can't keep expecting Grimsby to lose, as by all acounts they have significantly strengthened in January - unlike ourselves !
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Post by frobisher on Feb 6, 2010 17:29:28 GMT
Another appalling defeat not helped with a first half line up which all but beggared belief - you do have to wonder what the manager is doing. I have no confidence whatsoever In Paul Buckle being the man to keep us up and even less confidence in the board taking steps to address this terrible situation.
lets face it a team parading two strikers in their squad doesn't deserve to stay up. It is an appalling state of affairs.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Feb 6, 2010 17:56:10 GMT
Just on the way back - will post properly later..... Another very poor performance, shapeless, sloppy and toothless.Bartlett did not have a single save of note all game.
Hereford seemed there for the taking, but after they took the lead it never looked like we'd get anything.
Where do we go from here? 'Down' I would suggest on today's dreadful display. Plus point was Branston I suppose.
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Post by frobisher on Feb 6, 2010 18:03:44 GMT
change the manager maybe - he has just been on the radio telling us "we were excellent" - that is what he said.
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Post by crispygull on Feb 6, 2010 18:14:15 GMT
So much for all the rubbish we have been reading about a weak squad of late! Merse  I know you are very supportive of the club and in particular Paul Buckle... but I have to say how you can come out with a statement like that beggars belief! It is so obvious, to all but the blind, that we need as a very minimum a replacement for Chris Hargreaves and a replacement for Tim Sills. We are also very light on numbers and we can only blame ourselves for ending up in a position we were only have two fit strikers in the club (I don't count Thomson!). Injuries do happen, we have been lucky up until now but it was always likely that someone would pick up an injury sooner or later. There is no real depth in the squad, particularly in certain crucial positions .. the middle of the park and up top. Of course we now have the opportunity to bring new players in on loan, but unfortunately that will only mean that we will have to park one or two of our better performers (as in fairness most of the loaness have been) in the stands, or even worse back to their parent club, as is most likely in the case of young Cox! I am of the opinion that we are seriously in danger of losing our league status and YES I am of the opinion that we have a weak squad! No doubt you will criticise me for not getting behind the team and talking shite, but I am just a long standing fan who cares ... and who is genuinely concerned that fir whatever reason this club is beginning to look like it's lost it's way this season. It could and should have been a season of mid table security, of consolidation, but I fear that we could easily end up back where we came from .. and then where will the club be? I wish I had your confidence in the club's ability to get out of this mess .... I am not being negative, just very, very concerned. |
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Post by merse on Feb 6, 2010 18:16:16 GMT
 ....................and where did you watch this "appalling defeat" from Terry/Brucie/Frobisher ~ your bedroom or your garden shed? 
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Post by merse on Feb 6, 2010 18:28:22 GMT
So much for all the rubbish we have been reading about a weak squad of late! I know you are very supportive of the club and in particular Paul Buckle... but I have to say how you can come out with a statement like that beggars belief! It is so obvious, to all but the blind, that we need as a very minimum a replacement for Chris Hargreaves and a replacement for Tim Sills. We are also very light on numbers No doubt you will criticise me for not getting behind the team and talking shite, I wouldn't accuse you of that at all, you're giving your opinion after all which is what a forum is all about. What's more you are giving it in a considered and respectful manner regarding the manager which is more than can be said of some of the demented rubbish emanating from others. I was referrring to the make up and variation available to the manager on the bench today, he had all the options a manager would wish for going into the game with all aspects of the starting line up covered and available for replacement if he so wished. Yes, we are short of a striker, and yes we need a midfield "enforcer", but we no longer had those qualities in the players that recently departed..................their time as Football League performers was up. I'm not kacking myself at this stage of the season and don't expect to be kicking myself for having said that at the end of the season! |
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Post by frobisher on Feb 6, 2010 18:29:44 GMT
Well there we are Buckles biggest apologist comes up with tripe once again. I was not at the game. I was watching a local match but caught the last 20 minutes of the game. 1 also caught Buckle aftermatch interview in which he said "we were excellent". I have also spoken to people at the game who have said we were appaling and did not manage a decent shot on target in 90 minutes.
I have also listened to David Thomas's derisory comments about the ridiculous situation in the forward department.
So Mr Merson I will form the judgement that Paul Buckle is in denial about the situation.
Mind you weren't you actually telling us what a good job Chris Roberts was doing when he was in charge - which just about shows about how much your views are worth.
Have a look at our points total - look at our current form - so I will quite happily form my own opinion and that is we are going down unless something changes.
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Post by merse on Feb 6, 2010 18:42:27 GMT
Well there we are Buckles biggest apologist comes up with tripe once again. I was not at the game. I was watching a local match but caught the last 20 minutes of the game. 1 also caught Buckle aftermatch interview in which he said "we were excellent". I have also spoken to people at the game who have said we were appaling ;D ;D ;D ;D you couldn't come up with anything more ludicrous could you Terry. You were banging on wanting Buckle out in the season we won promotion, you were spouting the same old rubbish the season before .....................ever since I became aware of you, successive manager's of our's have been clueless buffoons in your opinion, other club's managers have been "idiots" and their team's "rubbish" Who do you watch in your North Devon football stronghold? Bayern Barnstaple, SurReal South Molton or is it Inter Ilfracombe? Get out in the fresh air again and take "Brucie" for a walk! |
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Post by Jon on Feb 6, 2010 18:44:51 GMT
27 points from 29 games.
Anybody want to take a guess at how many points we had after 29 games in the season when Leroy lost it?
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Post by petef on Feb 6, 2010 18:53:11 GMT
27 points from 29 games. Anybody want to take a guess at how many points we had after 29 games in the season when Leroy lost it? I would guess the very same!! Bring back Leroy ;D  |
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Post by crispygull on Feb 6, 2010 19:19:28 GMT
I have to say that I think the time has come when we need to look at the way we approach games.
For the last two seasons, Bucks has gone into every game with the attitude of taking the game to the opposition, of trying to go for the three points every game. That approach undoubtedly served us well, and certainly when you are at the top of the league and going for promotion you need to rack up a decent number of wins away from home - draws aren't really enough, particularly in a league where we were trying to finish top to attain automatic promotion.
We are undoubtedly an exciting team to watch away from home but is it getting to the stage of the season where we need to try and "shut up shop", keep it tight at the back and make life difficult for the opposition ... park the bus if you like!
Whether we have the personnel to do that, I dont know, but in my opinion we need to change something.
I hark back to the likes of Ian Atkins in this sort of situation ... who its probably fair to say produced "boring teams" but the escape from relegation that he produced a few years back was surely one of the best in our history?
Do we need to go with three centre halves and make us really difficult to break down? We certainly have the pace in the team to cause teams problems on the break with the likes of Thomson and Zebs and the young wing backs Cox and Smith.
Clutching at straws perhaps, but I think the time has come to at least try something different.
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Post by yeovilgull on Feb 6, 2010 19:26:26 GMT
27 points from 29 games. Anybody want to take a guess at how many points we had after 29 games in the season when Leroy lost it? I would guess the very same!! Bring back Leroy ;D 27 in Leroy`s final season and 24 at this point of the Roberts, Atkins, Lubos relegation season. Much as I like Leroy, his style and the way he comes across to supporters I don`t think he would actually have what it takes to drastically improve things in the short space of time we have. The questions are, if Buckle went would any replacement get more out of the current group of players, could we afford to get rid of Buckle and would the board be willing to take that step? My personal view is that I think the board will stick with Buckle and probably not consider action unless we hit the bottom two when I would expect them maybe try to bring in an experienced head to work alongside Buckle until the end of the season rather than paying him off. Looking on the bright side , we play Cheltenham again soon!! |
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Post by crispygull on Feb 6, 2010 19:35:10 GMT
I would guess the very same!! Bring back Leroy ;D 27 in Leroy`s final season and 24 at this point of the Roberts, Atkins, Lubos relegation season. Much as I like Leroy, his style and the way he comes across to supporters I don`t think he would actually have what it takes to drastically improve things in the short space of time we have. The questions are, if Buckle went would any replacement get more out of the current group of players, could we afford to get rid of Buckle and would the board be willing to take that step? My personal view is that I think the board will stick with Buckle and probably not consider action unless we hit the bottom two when I would expect them maybe try to bring in an experienced head to work alongside Buckle until the end of the season rather than paying him off.Looking on the bright side , we play Cheltenham again soon!! I cant say that I know Paul Buckle .... but I have to say that the chances of him accepting that sort of situation .... are, in my opinion, pretty low. He is his own boss, and whilst some Managers in our recent past have accepted that sort of "help" (it always ends up in the Manager getting the sack though, doesn't it?) I really cant see PB working under that sort of arrangement .... too proud, in my opinion. Personally, I think we need to stick with Paul Buckle and see it through now. It's too late to make a change, even if those in power were of a mind to. The club (the board) need to back him more than ever now, even though we only have the loan market available, and the signs are good given that we were bidding for the likes of Ademeno and Brodie on transfer deadline day. Of course, we may bring in Ademeno in the next couple of days ... but, exciting player that he is, is he right for this sort of situation? Personally, I would be pulling out all the stops (should the money be available) to bring in the likes of Jamie Cureton, currently surplus to requirements at Norwich. Whilst we are it .... Matt Gill would be pretty useful too! Probably no chance of either ... but that is the sort of quality(and experience) this young team needs now. |
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Post by yeovilgull on Feb 6, 2010 19:38:41 GMT
Crispy. A good point there. I would be happy with the Cornforth style of playing it tight and looking to grind out points away from home for a while. It wasn`t right at the time he was here as we needed wins then but with effectively an 8 point cushion at the moment a run of draws away from home might not be a bad thing.
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I know you are very supportive of the club and in particular Paul Buckle... but I have to say how you can come out with a statement like that beggars belief!
