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Post by aussie on Apr 19, 2010 18:12:20 GMT
The only time I mention killing any of the shit bags was if they chose to run whilst digging on the side of the road so I can`t understand your over-reaction to my post! The whole reason behind harsh punishment incase you have neglected to bother thinking about it is to help diswade people from commiting crime in the first place!  Re-intergration into society for some of them should be never but this would only be the case in extreme circumstances! Ever since they banned the birch in schools and started to relax punishment for crimes society has plummeted massively down hill and community respect is now pretty much dead compared to what it used to be! Go on tell me I`m wrong mate, do you honestly believe that all is well and good in the world? Because you come across as a deluded hippy that thinks there is no evil in anyone! Please tell me I`m wrong then prove it! |
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Post by loyalgull on Apr 19, 2010 19:45:28 GMT
tattoo them across the forehead on release,let us know the evil within,and i am not talking about shoplifters,the murderers,rapists,child molesters and evil alike are what i mean,instead of mollycoddling them like there special,giving them every human right in the book and sod the law abiding citizens.Anyway must be careful wouldnt want to hurt there little feelings,probably end up getting compensation.Annual turkey shoot would sort em out
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Post by stuartB on Apr 19, 2010 20:11:10 GMT
We can all apply twisted logic to these things.
we were discussing this in work today with someone saying everyone deserves a second chance.
the response to that was "do you give a paedophile a second chance and would you volunteer your children to test the theory?"
his response was "at least paedophiles drive slowly passed schools!!"
which would you prefer to give a second chance to?
the fact remains that he is an over paid pratt who got himself in a very privileged position and should show a bit more remorse or give half his earnings to the victims family
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 19, 2010 21:05:56 GMT
Please tell me I`m wrong then prove it! These are matters of argument, Aussie, not mathematics. I can show you why I consider my position to be the stronger, but I can't prove it. You say I sound like a 'deluded hippy'. It's tempting to say that your arguments and proposals sound like those of an uneducated savage - but to do so would hardly raise the level of debate would it? You say I'd treat those convicted of criminal offences like royalty. Can you show me where I've said anything of the sort? I've set out the arguments in favour of a civilised justice system; arguments that do not hinge on the rights of criminals, but on the rights of everyone. If you and others are incapable of understanding or assimilating those arguments, or think 'hippy' as soon as you an argument that is more nuanced than those of a bar-room boor or raving mullah, it's not my fault. |
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 19, 2010 21:06:52 GMT
We can all apply twisted logic to these things. his response was "at least paedophiles drive slowly passed schools!!" I wasn't there Stuart, but it sounds like a joke to me. |
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Post by stuartB on Apr 19, 2010 21:15:33 GMT
We can all apply twisted logic to these things. his response was "at least paedophiles drive slowly passed schools!!" I wasn't there Stuart, but it sounds like a joke to me. a joke, yes but not funny. he left my office with an ear full |
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 19, 2010 21:18:05 GMT
Doesn't sound like the funniest of jokes to me either; but let's not get "all PC"  |
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Post by Rob on Apr 19, 2010 23:14:44 GMT
Since when were harsher punishments in civilised societies proved to deter others from offending?
Aussie - Tell me you're taking the p*ss with some of what you wrote? Made me chuckle, though. ;D
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Post by aussie on Apr 20, 2010 5:53:00 GMT
Since when were harsher punishments in civilised societies proved to deter others from offending? Aussie - Tell me you're taking the p*ss with some of what you wrote? Made me chuckle, though. ;D Of course I was taking the piss with some of what I wrote and I`m hoping Lamberth was as well but something tells me he likes criminals and wouldn`t want any harm to come to the poor darlings! |
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 20, 2010 17:39:51 GMT
Since when were harsher punishments in civilised societies proved to deter others from offending? Aussie - Tell me you're taking the p*ss with some of what you wrote? Made me chuckle, though. ;D Of course I was taking the piss with some of what I wrote and I`m hoping Lamberth was as well but something tells me he likes criminals and wouldn`t want any harm to come to the poor darlings! Nope. I meant every word. The rest of your sentence is so idiotic it barely warrants a response. |
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Post by loyalgull on Apr 20, 2010 19:06:30 GMT
tattoo them across the forehead on release,let us know the evil within,and i am not talking about shoplifters,the murderers,rapists,child molesters and evil alike are what i mean,instead of mollycoddling them like there special,giving them every human right in the book and sod the law abiding citizens.Anyway must be careful wouldnt want to hurt there little feelings,probably end up getting compensation.Annual turkey shoot would sort em out maybe i was a bit hasty with this post last night,thinking about it,we should have two turkey shoots a year,ease the pressure of too many prisoners ;D |
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Post by aussie on Apr 21, 2010 17:06:58 GMT
Of course I was taking the piss with some of what I wrote and I`m hoping Lamberth was as well but something tells me he likes criminals and wouldn`t want any harm to come to the poor darlings! Nope. I meant every word. The rest of your sentence is so idiotic it barely warrants a response. Pampering the poor precious little darings must be the way forward as we can all see that slacking off the punishments for criminals really works and has helped to build society to the wonderful level it has reached today!!!!!!!!!! Please God help us all if people like Lambeth get control of the country because the innocent will have to hide behind locked doors to stay safe whilst the lunatics run the asylum! This is the whole reason behind NOT voting for the Green Party! Soft on crime soft on punishment, yeah that`ll work! NOT! |
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 21, 2010 18:19:16 GMT
Nope. I meant every word. The rest of your sentence is so idiotic it barely warrants a response. Pampering the poor precious little darings must be the way forward as we can all see that slacking off the punishments for criminals really works and has helped to build society to the wonderful level it has reached today!!!!!!!!!! Please God help us all if people like Lambeth get control of the country because the innocent will have to hide behind locked doors to stay safe whilst the lunatics run the asylum! This is the whole reason behind NOT voting for the Green Party! Soft on crime soft on punishment, yeah that`ll work! NOT! |
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Post by davethegull on Apr 22, 2010 9:11:30 GMT
This is all rather fun. I sort of agree with lambie on this one but also sympathise with Oz and his lynch mob I believe it's time we had a bill of rights in this country along with a written constitution. No system is perfect but the majority need to be protected and punishment should fit the crime. The leniency currently shown to any scumbag while crimes against financial institutions attract punitive sentences doesn't make sense. The misuse of the terrorrism angle to erode basic human rights is a disgrace. The right to silence, innocense until proved guilty, police detention without charge and stop and search abuses and the broad definition of a terrorist that pretty much covers anyone who doesn't agree with the gov't. Our civil liberties have been eroded over the last few decades to the point where we are now afraid to stand up for our principles in case we upset some jobsworth, PC gov't employed, union negotiated unaffordable pension claiming socialist/nazi. As for Hughes, he falls into the scumbag category. |
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Post by aussie on Apr 22, 2010 16:38:56 GMT
This is all rather fun. I sort of agree with lambie on this one but also sympathise with Oz and his lynch mob I believe it's time we had a bill of rights in this country along with a written constitution. No system is perfect but the majority need to be protected and punishment should fit the crime. The leniency currently shown to any scumbag while crimes against financial institutions attract punitive sentences doesn't make sense. The misuse of the terrorrism angle to erode basic human rights is a disgrace. The right to silence, innocense until proved guilty, police detention without charge and stop and search abuses and the broad definition of a terrorist that pretty much covers anyone who doesn't agree with the gov't. Our civil liberties have been eroded over the last few decades to the point where we are now afraid to stand up for our principles in case we upset some jobsworth, PC gov't employed, union negotiated unaffordable pension claiming socialist/nazi. As for Hughes, he falls into the scumbag category. You agree with the liberal lefty yoghurt knitters of this world, since when? I always thought you were hard core anti-scum! No, Lambie does have some good points he has raised but his softly softly approach worries the hell out me and in my opinion that approach is the reason why this world is spiralling out of all control with p.c madness! |
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Re-intergration into society for some of them should be never but this would only be the case in extreme circumstances! Ever since they banned the birch in schools and started to relax punishment for crimes society has plummeted massively down hill and community respect is now pretty much dead compared to what it used to be! Go on tell me I`m wrong mate, do you honestly believe that all is well and good in the world? Because you come across as a deluded hippy that thinks there is no evil in anyone! Please tell me I`m wrong then prove it!
