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Post by jackie on Dec 21, 2009 14:40:48 GMT
Thank God we have a decent number one for Christmas instead of the usual X Factor karaoke rubbish.
We have been spoon fed Simon Cowell's idea of music for far too long.
This Joe fellow will be forgotten by March as he has the charisma and talent of a dung beetle.
Long live proper music performed by proper artists.
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 21, 2009 15:47:09 GMT
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Post by aussie on Dec 21, 2009 17:38:56 GMT
Precisely!  Followed by a  |
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Post by sundayref on Dec 21, 2009 17:39:01 GMT
This fair country of ours has produced some of the best musical acts over the past 50 years or so from the Beatles to Led Zeppelin to punk rock, etc etc. X factor has killed musical creativity so the rebellion via the internet to get a 'proper' musical act at number one is to be applauded. Perhaps the British public will tire of karaoke artists such as Leona Lewis and return to up and coming artistes who create their own music.
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Post by Dave on Dec 21, 2009 17:41:46 GMT
Thank God we have a decent number one for Christmas instead of the usual X Factor karaoke rubbish. We have been spoon fed Simon Cowell's idea of music for far too long. This Joe fellow will be forgotten by March as he has the charisma and talent of a dung beetle. Long live proper music performed by proper artists. BBC Radio two won't play this record for what ever reason, but a part of it was played on the J.Vine show and sorry but its best described as a noise and no way can it be called a decent number one for Christmas. This record is not number one on merit, its not number one because it is a great song, it has won simply because the result has been manufactured, much the same as Joe's song has been. Its only been bought to stop an X factor song being the Christmas number once again and while I'm bored with the fact that for the last five years, the Christmas number one's have all been by the latest X factor winner, the main reason they have been is because the British public bought the records. We now have a Christmas number one you might not want your children to hear, what is needed is for popular artists to come up with a really great Christmas song that would be better than anything the x factor has to offer. By the way Joe has a great voice and will be around for a few years for sure, like all acts he will need to keep putting out good records and keep in the publics eye, if not then we will go the same way as so many before him. |
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Post by aussie on Dec 21, 2009 17:49:02 GMT
Not a chance, 19 million people, for the want of a more accurate description, tuned in to watch the X factor final! I`m afraid the goose is well and truly cooked, it`s a sign of society today, the masses want mass produced churned out garbage so that`s what the likes of Simon Cowell give them! A very sad reflection of today`s society, disposable plastic crap!
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Post by jackie on Dec 21, 2009 17:49:20 GMT
By the way [glow=red,2,300]Joe has a great voice [/glow]and will be around for a few years for sure, like all acts he will need to keep putting out good records and keep in the publics eye, if not then we will go the same way as so many before him.  |
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Post by Dave on Dec 21, 2009 17:57:19 GMT
I see you don't agree with me Jackie about Joe's voice  it will not be too long before he has another single out and whats the betting it reaches number one and only because people liked it enough to buy it. A number one on merit, far better than a manufactured one I'm sure you will agree. |
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Post by aussie on Dec 21, 2009 18:31:09 GMT
Rage Against The Machine`s "Killing In The Name Of" monster track, love it! "F**k you I won`t do as you tell me" quality lyrics played at every anti-capitalist rally near you. That`s properly a very mad Chrimbo no. 1 indeed, not so sure I like it as a Christmas song though!
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 21, 2009 18:49:47 GMT
Rage Against The Machine`s "Killing In The Name Of" monster track, love it! "F**k you I won`t do as you tell me" quality lyrics played at every anti-capitalist rally near you. That`s properly a very mad Chrimbo no. 1 indeed, not so sure I like it as a Christmas song though! How many records do you have to sell nowadays to get to number one - less than a 1,000 I would have thought. Not my cup of tea, but certainly better than anything X-Factor can throw at you. |
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Post by aussie on Dec 21, 2009 19:14:35 GMT
Dunno how many mate, probably some insignificant amount!
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 21, 2009 19:20:21 GMT
Well maybe it's because I listened to rather a lot of Rage a decade or so...but I applaud this outcome.
Whilst it's true that people have jumped on the 'Rage bandwagon', I disagree with the importance Dave seems to ascribe to the fact that this outcome has been manufactured. So what if it was? All music by its very nature is 'manufactured', and signed artists by their very nature are marketed.
You could say the Rage campaign is a distortion of the 'normal market', but you could make a similar argument that X-factor has distorted the singles market. The fact is, enough people dislike the anodyne, sickly, boring and conformist nature of X-factor karaoke stars enough to purchase an alternative. And if that alternative jolts people out their seat instead of boring everyone to death, then it's a victory for proper musicians over karaoke stars and those that push, like, watch and buy their music as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Dave on Dec 21, 2009 20:03:03 GMT
lambethgull, popular music is called that for a good reason, its simple really to understand, people hear a song and if they really like it then they may well buy it. The music that sells the most must therefore be the most popular music?
The Christmas number one would not have even made the top 50, let alone get to the top spot, it has not got there because it was popular, or even a song that many really liked.
Live music is sadly being killed off, by live I mean good local bands and singers etc, venues can no longer afford to put on live music, due to getting stung by fees for this and fees for that.
I think the mistake many make is to take the X factor far to seriously, it is after all just a light entertainment program. The format is tried and trusted and started back in the days of "Opportunity Knocks" you take ordinary people of the street, have a nice judge and a slightly nasty one.
There has been many talent shows on the TV over the years and they all run their coarse and end when their time is up and then sometime later a new talent show with a slightly different format comes along. The x factor will one day come to an end, but when 19 million tune into watch it and ITV keep making the 100 grand plus they do, then it still has some life left in it.
When the viewing figures drop and the show does not make enough money it will come to an end. The fact is people just like the idea of an ordinary person being turned into a star, I know when I first talked about doing shows, some made it clear to me I was just a milkman, how could someone with an ordinary job ever be an entertainer.
You see for me that is the magic of talent shows, it does give people the opportunity they may never have got. I said before I know so many good acts who I feel do deserve a break and playing the club and hotel circuit they are unlikely to ever get one.
At the end of the day if the act that wins is not that good, or does not make good records, then he will soon be sweeping the streets again. I have bought records by a singer or group I have never heard of, I did so only because I loved the song and if we are honest here, the Christmas number one has not been bought simply because it was a great song, far from it and if we are happy to distort the result of what is the best song any given Christmas and that can only really be decided by its popularity, we might as well start fixing football matches.
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Post by jerry on Dec 21, 2009 20:16:34 GMT
How many records do you have to sell nowadays to get to number one - less than a 1,000 I would have thought. I think Rage sold over 500,000 and the X-Factor bloke about 450,000. Makes me laugh hearing all these people saying that they bought Rage to put one over on Simon Cowell! I would imagine that the X-Factor records sales went through the roof as it's fans tried to beat this campaign. Much the same as all that Jedward nonsense, all orchestrated by him to get more publicity for his show and more revenue from people voting for them because they thought it would annoy him! Simon Cowell, a very clever man who is laughing all the way to the bank once again! As for X-Factor ruining the Xmas number one... I guess people are talking about those great recent Xmas hits like Mr. Blobby and Bob the Builder? |
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Post by Dave on Dec 21, 2009 20:22:05 GMT
As for X-Factor ruining the Xmas number one... I guess people are talking about those great recent Xmas hits like Mr. Blobby and Bob the Builder? Love it Jerry when you do think about some of the songs that were Christmas number one's like the ones above, then the x factors songs really are not that bad are they? |
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it will not be too long before he has another single out and whats the betting it reaches number one and only because people liked it enough to buy it. A number one on merit, far better than a manufactured one I'm sure you will agree.