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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2008 19:46:25 GMT
You are a devil and a naughty boy merse, but you do make me laugh ;D ;D
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Post by crispygull on Aug 3, 2008 19:54:39 GMT
Well if Woods does move on, it will only leave Lee Mansell (who Bucks has re-signed) from the squad that Bucks inherited twelve short months ago.
There can certainly be no complaints from Bucks, should things not work out, that he hasnt had every opportunity to put his own squad together. With the departures of Thorpe (last season), Hill and Hockley this summer - he has all but shed the last vestiges of the old team - and you could even include Tony Bedeau (who may just have been signed because he was local and available and we needed to put a squad together in a hurry last summer) in that I guess.
Indeed, given that the signings of Simon Rayner (who has already departed) and to an extent Chris Robertson (who may be about to?) were also both probably Colin Lee led signings, then it adds more weight to the suggestion that Buckle very much wants to be surrounded by players he knows and trusts - something which he appears to lay a great deal of store by in all honesty.
Sometimes, as in the case of Lee Phillips perhaps, they may not always work out, but by and large he seems to have done an excellent job in putting together a squad that (hopefully) can compete again in the BSP this season.
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2008 20:10:02 GMT
crispygull, it is true that Tony was signed simply because of the reasons you state. When you really think about just how few players Buckle had when he came here, you start to realize that maybe he did not do to bad a job in his first season.
Most of the squad was put together in a hurry and I bet some were just more for need that want. So to nearly get promotion in his first season was really an achievement.
Saying that he did make many mistakes, substitution not made when needed and did in my view, let his feelings for a player, get in the way of what was best for the team.
Raynor was got back here not by Buckle, by those who felt he was our best chance of saving our season, still thats history now.
Buckle would have learned so much last season and has had the time now, to bring in the players he really feels he wants, rather than just needs.
Merse also makes a very good point about how the club is now viewed by players looking to sign for a team. This is all a far cry from the days when we were told, that players didn't want to come to Devon.
Just how good Buckles chosen team will be and how far it goes, is still unknown, but I think we would all agree, it really does look like we have a much better team in Buckles second season in charge.
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Post by merse on Aug 4, 2008 9:39:08 GMT
Merse also makes a very good point about how the club is now viewed by players looking to sign for a team. This is all a far cry from the days when we were told, that players didn't want to come to Devon.  There will always be players that the manager would like to sign but because they are located where they are that is a non starter. Some players in areas where clubs are thick on the ground clock up four or five clubs without ever moving home and once a player gets to a certain age with marriage and schooling priorities to consider; moving the family home lock stock and barrel becomes a really big issue. On the other hand, there will usually be players based in Devon who are released by Plymouth Argyle and we've more often than not done very well with the signings we have picked up from there, and of course there was the well documented "Buckle raids" amongst the Exeter City ranks last summer. So it can work both ways................even the likes of Chris Hargreaves' familiarity with Devon must have been helpful in securing his signature last summer, so maybe it wasn't so much a black and white case of not wanting to move to Devon but not wanting to move to Torquay United that was nearer the truth. However, when one considers that signings have come in this season from players based in the North (Wroe) and London (Thompson and possibly Johnson this morning) then the realisation that players really ARE attracted by the prospect of signing for Torquay United, then we can all surely take satisfaction in that! |
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Post by treetopsringwood on Aug 4, 2008 20:46:14 GMT
Ps I hope our newest member treetopsringwood is not an Anagram of Steve Woods ;D ;D anyway welcome to the forum treetopsringwood. Dave R |
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Post by treetopsringwood on Aug 4, 2008 21:03:51 GMT
Thank you for the welcome,no not an anagram, born in Chelston
in 1954 when my grandfather owned Cockington Dairy in Walnut road. Lived in London for 45 years and now resident in Dorking,
Surrey just around the corner and up the road from Woking,Crawley Lewes & Eastbourne to name but a few. Died a death again at Wembley along with all of you.....
favouite players included Jimmy Fryatt, John Rudge & Caldwell...in past years.
Comeon you Yellows........
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Post by Dave on Aug 4, 2008 21:11:53 GMT
Thank you for the welcome,no not an anagram, born in Chelston in 1954 when my grandfather owned Cockington Dairy in Walnut road. Lived in London for 45 years and now resident in Dorking, Surrey just around the corner and up the road from Woking,Crawley Lewes & Eastbourne to name but a few. Died a death again at Wembley along with all of you..... favouite players included Jimmy Fryatt, John Rudge & Caldwell...in past years. Comeon you Yellows........ 1954 what a great year to be born in  15 years of my life was spent as a milkman, in Torquay, many of our members live in and around London, so sure you may know some of them. Once again thanks for joining and look forward to reading your posts Dave R |
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Post by jond on Aug 4, 2008 21:56:53 GMT
I heard that one of the reasons we re-signed Tony B was that Walsall agreed to continue to pay some of his wages.
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Post by crispygull on Aug 5, 2008 13:58:58 GMT
Well it appears as though Brett Johnson has turned us down - probably to take up the offer he had from Brentford.
In which case I would be surprised if the Steve Woods move were to happen, but you never know, I guess.
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Post by Dave on Aug 5, 2008 15:02:42 GMT
We shall to wait and see, but I would agree crispygull, why would the club let him go now. I know who told Ant, he would know believe me, having just got home, can you tell me has any reasons been given why he turned us down.
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Post by crispygull on Aug 5, 2008 15:13:39 GMT
We shall to wait and see, but I would agree crispygull, why would the club let him go now. I know who told Ant, he would know believe me, having just got home, can you tell me has any reasons been given why he turned us down. Its on the Official site Dave " One name that won't be on the squad list however is trialist Brett Johnson, it looks as though he is going to take up an offer from a London club which is much closer to his current home and we wish him well."It seems like he has probably decided to go with Brentford's offer. It does make you wonder though what effect this is going to have on the half a dozen or so guys in the squad who are vying for the position in the side alongside Toddy - in other words Hargreaves, Woods, Robertson, Ellis, Brough - knowing that, given the opportunity Bucks would have brought in another central defender if he had the chance? |
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 5, 2008 15:18:15 GMT
I think Woods will surely stay now but I could still see Robertson moving on.
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Post by merse on Aug 5, 2008 15:20:05 GMT
This reminds me of John Mackie whom I know as he owns a retail business not far from my home. Last summer he was out of contract with Leyton Orient where he had been club captain as they reckoned he was too old to be offered a two year contract. He turned down a much better salary and two year offer from Stevenage because he wanted to hang on in the Football League................big mistake as he went to dead beat Brentford and by January he was so disillusioned he had his contract terminated and played out the season "for fun" at Hornchurch. He doesn't play now and I guess he will be selling his fruit and veg on a Saturday afternoon in future. People might be wondering if Johnson has "used" Torquay as a lever to prise a better deal out of Brentford in the same way that Nikki Bull did with Aldershot. Well, the agent that cohorted with him in doing that was former Orient player Tommy Cunningham, and I wonder if there could be a "coincidental" similarity here. I don't profess to know, and it's not illegal; but such things are pretty distasteful and one of the reasons I would not like to be working amongst football folk now. Even when a player's move is going along fine from one club to another, it's not unknown for his agent to maliciously engage in persuading another club to show genuine or feigned interest to up the anti and yet more money trickles out of the game into the pockets of those who engage in such chicanery.
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Post by Dave on Aug 5, 2008 15:27:33 GMT
Thanks crispy mate, must not be so lazy ;D but it has been a hard day out there today. One defender will leave, while I would think Woods would be the one to stay, It does depend on how he feels and how far any talks got with Truro. We know Roberson is on the list and may be talking to another club, so even more reason to hold onto Woods.
I really don't think Brough, will get a look in at all, he may be gone by January, he will want to play games, I fear his chances will be very limited.
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Post by crispygull on Aug 5, 2008 15:35:24 GMT
I really don't think Brough, will get a look in at all, he may be gone by January, he will want to play games, I fear his chances will be very limited. I must admit of all the new signings I feel he is the one that may just be feeling a little left out. According to Buckle himself,he was brought in with a view to playing him at Centre Half, but after a couple of indifferent performances in the early pre-season friendlies the idea of playing him there seems to have been shelved, for the time being at least. I cant imagine he will be happy being sat in the stands for too long, if that is indeed where he ends up, as lets face it he was not only a fixture in FGRs side last season, he was also their captain, and that for a team that only just finished outside the play offs too. |
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There will always be players that the manager would like to sign but because they are located where they are that is a non starter.