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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2009 21:55:24 GMT
Today I had what is thankfully a rare encounter with the police and after it was over, I was left wondering why a person like me who is unknown to the police and one who always had such respect for them, now have so very little.
I should say I think today’s police have a much harder time that ever before, but maybe that is due to the complete lack of respect they seem to get from most people these days.
What winds me up these days, is that they have this attitude that comes across that you have to be guilty of something and I do find the few encounters I have had over the last 10 years, they have not had the right approach to deal with the public.
Today I was directed off the road into a lay-by, a vehicle check followed by a diesel check to make sure I was not using that red stuff and then a check on me etc. I will confess I was not best pleased at being stopped anyway as I needed to be in Dartmouth by a certain time, but it was the way I was being talked to, or should that be talked down to, that made me feel I just had to say something.
I mean I was as far as I’m concerned just an honest chat, working for an honest company trying to get on with my work and I felt I should have been being talked to in a much better way.
Maybe being stopped brought back what happened the last time this sort of thing happened to me, something that still angers me and for very good reasons. I was driving on the M5 near Exeter on my way to Barnstaple about 7 years ago. I had just left Heathfield and had some very important timed deliveries to make and failure to do so would have seen the company I was working for them, face financial penalties.
I was made to pull over by a police car and made to get into the back of the car; they said I may have just got of the Plymouth ferry and that I was being escorted to Westpoint, where I would be interviewed by Customs and Excise men. I proved to them that I had just come from Heathfield, but they were not prepared to listen, so off we went to WestPoint.
One and half hours later I was allowed to go on my way, a bit unhappy as the bloody drugs dog had found my lunch box and ate all of the contents and looking at my watch, I had three minutes to make the very important timed deliveries, only I was still in Exeter and not Barnstaple
I was given a producer for my driving licence etc and by the time I got back to Paignton it was now 7.30pm and I had left home at 5am. I went straight to the police station only to find it closed and a note on the door stating if you needed to produce documents, you had to go to Torquay police station.
Needing really to go home and have a meal I rung the bell more in hope, but a policeman came out, I told him the score and he agreed to do it there for me. I was pleased and went home and that was it I thought, all over and done with.
Only three months later I received a summons to go to court in Exeter, charge one driving with no insurance, charge two failing to produce a certificate of insurance. Well I knew there was a mistake as I had already produced it and so I set of the Paignton police station to have a word with the duty sergeant.
I said to him a mistake had been made, but he replied they all say that when they come in here son, you can talk to my officers in the court. I explained that not everyone who comes into a police station is a criminal, but he just said you can plead your innocence in the court.
I contacted the criminal justice board and explained everything to them, the next day I was phoned by a top police person to say a mistake had been made and I would not need to go to court and I could put in complaint about how I had been treated.
If I had not contacted the C.J.B then I would have had to have gone to the court and what a waste of time and money that would have been, so you can understand why I was not best pleased being pulled off the road again this morning.
Maybe just like I long for the good old days at Plainmoor back in the 50’s and 60’s, I also long for the good old fashioned policemen who walked our streets back then. They had your respect and they used common sense and were able to communicate with the public in a proper manner, unlike like so many of today’s policemen who look like they have just left school.
As I was about to drive off after I was told I could go this morning, I said that I felt the police should be dealing with real crimes and not wasting the time of persons going about their lawful business, well it made me feel a little bit better saying that.
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Post by chrish on Nov 11, 2009 22:32:41 GMT
What did you have in your Sandwiches Dave? ;D
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Post by stuartB on Nov 11, 2009 22:34:02 GMT
What did you have in your Sandwiches Dave? ;D truncheon meat?  |
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Post by chrish on Nov 11, 2009 22:38:02 GMT
What did you have in your Sandwiches Dave? ;D truncheon meat? Fabulous. I haven't heard that one since I was at Primary School!!  |
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Post by stuartB on Nov 11, 2009 22:39:54 GMT
truncheon meat? Fabulous. I haven't heard that one since I was at Primary School!! only 10 years ago then |
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Post by chrish on Nov 11, 2009 22:44:16 GMT
Fabulous. I haven't heard that one since I was at Primary School!! only 10 years ago then 23 or 24 years ago I think! I wish it was only 10 years ago. |
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Post by aussie on Nov 12, 2009 9:54:54 GMT
The Old Bill generally are complete w4nkers, everyone nowadays is guilty until they can prove them selves innocent, whilst the law still states you are innocent until proven guilty! Dave the only reason you were pulled over is simply because your an easy target, over 40 and working, this is who they are after because these people turn up to court and pay their fines! Real criminals get of scott free because it`s too much hassle for the Pigs to bother with, it`s about raising funds for the government and hitting targets and ticking boxes, real police work is dead. Did anyone read about that bloke in his 60`s that got arrested in his own home at 5.35 am one morning because he had had a heated arguement with a council official about some stairs that were in a communal apartment block, he tried to get the council bloke to make them safe, the arguement got heated the bloke said one swear word out of frustration and the next thing he knows is the old bill are in his bedroom arresting him and dragging him off down to the police station, all because the council official had an arguement with him. They are supposed to listen to both sides of the arguement and then decide whether or not there is a case worth having but no not nowadays your f*cked before you start, the only way to avoid confrontation with the Filth is to stay in doors and never go out, never make contact with the outside world, for if they look at you you`ve had it, they will then try to get you for something, anything they possibly can they will! Provided you fit the criteria and that is `if your able to pay a fine`! A bloke got smashed in the face with an aftershave bottle in a public bathroom had two massive cuts across his forehead and guess what happened! The villain of the piece gets a caution and a slap on the wrist, so the moral of the story is don`t drop a f*g but on the ground but by all means slash someones face open. Good lessons for kids to learn innit!  |
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Post by bear on Nov 12, 2009 19:42:50 GMT
This is a very irresponsible attitude aussie. You are sending a message of despair to the children of today, and they are our future.
What of good old fashioned respect and duty?
Please think twice before you post such nonsense.
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 12, 2009 20:05:19 GMT
I must have been a sleep for most of the week, but what have I missed with the Polish thread - looked harmless to me? Are we now saying if theres a minimum of one complaint the post gets canned?
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Post by longeatongull on Nov 12, 2009 20:23:22 GMT
Aussie --our leader of tact and diplomacy strikes again!!!....You are sounding like an "angry young man" these days!!!!!
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Post by jmgull on Nov 12, 2009 20:54:25 GMT
This is a very irresponsible attitude aussie. You are sending a message of despair to the children of today, and they are our future. What of good old fashioned respect and duty? Please think twice before you post such nonsense. .....So, guess are you the new p.c......p.c around here  . Totally agree with aussie, our police force's policies are a joke, hammer the motorist at every opportunity....... laughably soft on petty criminals. My business was robbed a few months ago.....by a girlfriend of one of my night staff (who was in on it too)......she was driving into our yard in the early hours and filling her car with stock and anything else that she could get her own hands on, even a kettle and a hoover!.......it was all caught on ccvtv......clear as day, putting it in her car, statements from other staff etc.......banged to rights. Reported to the police (spoke to someone in Bristol ffs).......got rid of the bent night staff the next day but had to wait 4 weeks until a copper came round.......they knew the girl straight away, a serial scumbag apparently......the result? No action taken....not enough "evidence", never even got the bloody hoover back ;D ......Do 38 in a downhill 30 mph zone....and you are a criminal though ( or just a cash cow ). |
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 12, 2009 21:25:22 GMT
My experience of the Police is that they do a good job (hampered by Human Rights Laws and other stupid rules).
Several years ago there was a knock on our front door at about 4.00am. Answered the door to the Police (Jeez what has happened, who has died went through my mind). In a polite voice asked if my wife lived here - yes she did.
Well Mr Lawton, we have just stopped a man/scrote down the road with your wifes handbag. He had opened our front door (I had been down the Haywain that night, had several beers and forgotten to lock the front door) and despite our dog barking nicked the handbag.
The Police had caught the scumbag who had stolen my wifes handbag and contents before we had realised it was missing. The cash contents, about 10p.
First class if you ask me.
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Post by jmgull on Nov 12, 2009 21:41:18 GMT
....Nothing against police as individuals, have one or two as good friends.......in these days of drugs and binge drinkers, they have to deal with some pretty difficult circumstances.....i guess its the policy makers, we all have issues with.
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Post by aussie on Nov 13, 2009 10:45:30 GMT
This is a very irresponsible attitude aussie. You are sending a message of despair to the children of today, and they are our future. What of good old fashioned respect and duty? Please think twice before you post such nonsense. Shutting the gate after the horse has bolted is what you suggest then, children already disrespect the police because they know they can! Years ago you didn`t disrespect them because they were allowed too police properly, now they don`t uphold the law or commend respect, they have slowly become the enemy by and through their own actions or lack of them! So good old fashioned respect and duty went out the window with the burglar that robbed your house, wrecked your belongings and invaded your privacy then gets caught and told he`s a very naughty boy don`t do it again, here`s a slap on the wrist now go on your way, while you get nothing back no compensation and left to live in fear in your own home! Did you know that all the cctv in the world is useless yet they still put it up everywhere, it is useless because without an eyewitness as well it is not good enough evidence to convict someone with but they still put it up everywhere so they can watch your every move, ask yourself the question "WHY", put the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin and your nicked, drop a match on the footpath and your nicked, to make money is "WHY" on the spot fines is why, catch people parking incorrectly is why, not used in a court of law unless it is to back up eyewitness evidence. I got pulled over into the coach station because the camera car and number plate reader hadn`t caught anyone in over an hour so when they saw I was in a work van they thought they might be able to get me for something like bald tyres or something, I gave them my documents and they went over my van with a fine toothed combe and found nothing, I asked why pick on me and they said because I fit the bill of someone that fits their list of people that they can get something on! So they basically pulled me over because they wanted to try and find something, anything they could stick on me, instead of being pleased that no-one had broken the law for over an hour they felt they had to create something, instead of saying "oh well done the public for being good" no they have to harass people that are INNOCENT!!! They are systematically destroying themselves and any credit they once had so take off your blinkers and smell the coffee because you are clearly deluded! |
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Post by aussie on Nov 13, 2009 11:43:00 GMT
Thought I had better add this, not all coppers want to police the way they do at the moment, some still have a heart, like the ones last Saturday that posed in a photo with a little lad who was scared of them and also didn`t like them, the little lad came back into the stand with his dad a much happier little boy. Lets hope he doesn`t experience a negative copper in the future because they will destroy the good that they have done in seconds, they owe that good work to Steve 004 for spotting it and initiating it! Just wanted to high light the good work that goes on without the praise it deserves and also to point out that I`m not totally anti police just pissed off with the way they operate generally at the moment!
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