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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2008 15:04:17 GMT
I think we have now seem the footage, of the assault carried out by Joey Barton. He has had a history of assaults over the last three years or so,
Now he has served his time in prison and Kevin Keegan, is welcoming him back to play for Newcastle. Some will say he has paid the price and done his time and should be allowed, to resume his football career
Others may feel that as a footballer he is a role model and has really not set any good examples to the young and really should not be allowed back into the game, so what are your views on this.
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Post by romfordkev on Jul 29, 2008 18:15:20 GMT
Here's MY opinion on Joey Barton.
Keegan should SACK HIM and then the FA should BAN HIM FROM FOOTBALL FOR LIFE.
He's nothing but a thug - and a cowardly one at that!
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Post by spagbol74 on Jul 29, 2008 18:30:18 GMT
The big question should be: How long til he returns to his thugish ways both on & off the pitch? Give him until Chrimbo before he's back in trouble again.
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2008 18:33:05 GMT
The big question should be: How long til he returns to his thugish ways both on & off the pitch? Give him until Chrimbo before he's back in trouble again. So you don't think we would have leaned his lesson this time? he must know he would never get another chance? PS will add my views later. |
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Post by romfordkev on Jul 29, 2008 18:36:13 GMT
How about holding him down on the floor, kicking the granny out of him, and then stubbing a cigar out in his eye? See how he bloody likes it!!  |
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2008 18:39:26 GMT
How about holding him down on the floor, kicking the granny out of him, and then stubbing a cigar out in his eye? See how he bloody likes it!! No one could condone his actions, I saw it on TV last night and was shocked, but I ask, if he has paid the price(Jail) and learned his lesson, is that a good enough reason, to now let him try and rebuild his life. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2008 18:50:25 GMT
My view has always been if someone does a wrong, then as long as they are remorseful, pay the price by doing what ever punishment, they need to do, then they deserve another chance.
I do have a big problem over Barton and that this is not the first time and I have to ask will it be the last. If he truly has leaned his lesson, should he be punished for his crimes for the rest of his life? I don't really know the answer to that.
I heard to day his victim has never been seem since that day, (stated on the J.Vine show today) so I wonder what has happened to him and yes we must never forget the victims and what effect it has had on their lives.
So I feel as it was not the first time he has been violent, he should not be allowed to play professional football again, but he should be allowed to move on with his life and try to mend the errors of his ways. If he did it again, then he really should be put away for a long time.
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Post by spagbol74 on Jul 29, 2008 18:55:32 GMT
The big question should be: How long til he returns to his thugish ways both on & off the pitch? Give him until Chrimbo before he's back in trouble again. So you don't think we would have leaned his lesson this time? he must know he would never get another chance? PS will add my views later. Don't think he will have. He's the sort who'll go out & get bladdered at the first opportunity & allow himself to get wound up by people's taunts... then answer with the only way he knows.. with his fists. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2008 18:59:19 GMT
So you don't think we would have leaned his lesson this time? he must know he would never get another chance? PS will add my views later. Don't think he will have. He's the sort who'll go out & get bladdered at the first opportunity & allow himself to get wound up by people's taunts... then answer with the only way he knows.. with his fists. Then if that is the case, he will not be playing for long at Newcastle, I don't think their fans are to impressed anyway. It will all depend on how much he loves playing football and the money he earns doing so. He could always stay in at night  |
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Post by mickyflash on Jul 29, 2008 19:04:42 GMT
I cant stand Joey Barton, neither as a person or a footballer. I saw the incident yesterday and I too was appalled, he was correctly given a jail sentence, but he has made a mistake (yes another one) and served his punishment for that mistake. If I am ever in that awfull situation where a mistake I make sentences me to a prison I would hope that when I am released I would be able to re build my life and learn from my experience. I hope this is what Joey is able to do now. I hope his character has changed for the better. Joey has been released into society and this gives him the same rights as you or I to earn a living, If he can find an employer then he should be able to pursue what ever career path he decides.
He is a role model, but I am glad that some of the kids today can see that fighting in the street will result in a jail sentence as some of their parents obviously aren't prepared to give them this information
I don't like him, and I don't agree with him, Yes he has a better lifestyle than I will ever have but I will treat him how I would like to be treated (maybe I should quote this to myself net time I am calling the referee a w*****!)
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2008 19:13:52 GMT
A very good point Micky about a role model and from an angle, many would not have looked at. I can see that some young people would look at who he was and that even high profile people will go to prison, if they commit crimes.
I fully agree as I said, that if you serve your time, learn from it all, you should be given the chance to move on.
The only problem I have with the role model thing is, that if as he has, can walk straight back into Newcastle and start playing again, would not many young, feel. well so you do a little bird, then just go back to the top again.
Don't you think, if they saw, he had to lose his top football job as well, that would be more of a message to them.
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Post by jerry on Jul 29, 2008 19:30:38 GMT
In any other walk of life he would have been sacked!
Can't imagine my boss keeping my job open while I served 6 months at Her Majesty's pleasure!!
If he was a rubbish footballer he would have been sacked. Don't believe all the rubbish from Keegan about giving him a second chance. They have kept him for only one reason...money! They know that if they sacked him he would be snapped up by another club quick smart and they would get nothing for him.
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Post by mickyflash on Jul 29, 2008 19:35:10 GMT
Yes, In an ideal world that would be a much better message to the kids, but the fact that Newcastle still want to employ him isn't really Joey Barton's fault, Newcastle have invested a lot of money Joey and would need to invest a lot more to replace him. I have worked with kids who have made mistakes and there employers have stood by them to which they were very gratefull. So he is not necessarily receiving special treatment
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2008 19:37:03 GMT
Jerry the view on the radio today, was that it was not about money, people seemed to think 6 million, would be nothing foe Newcastle. Do you think if Newcastle had said no, we don't want you back here, other clubs would really want him?
I only ask, because I think any club would need to look at how their fans, would view such a signing. I don't think many fans from any club would welcome Barton.
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2008 19:45:59 GMT
Yes, In an ideal world that would be a much better message to the kids, but the fact that Newcastle still want to employ him isn't really Joey Barton's fault, Newcastle have invested a lot of money Joey and would need to invest a lot more to replace him. I have worked with kids who have made mistakes and there employers have stood by them to which they were very gratefull. So he is not necessarily receiving special treatment It is good that you have been able to work with young people and been able to help them, its also good that some employers will give the young another chance. We talked a few Saturdays ago, I did not say then, but our helpers, were all on community service and I found most of them nice people, who made a mistake and got caught. I don't thing many will agree about him not getting special treatment, it is because of who he is, that people will believe he has and as Jerry said, he would not think his job would be left open for him. |
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