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Post by sam on Jul 14, 2009 8:05:31 GMT
Any takers for this one. I have a surprise up my sleeve but it's anecdotal, no proof yet. Jon and Barton could be struggling, might have them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 11:09:44 GMT
I think we'd better await Jon's arrival for the definitive answer on this one. I'm away from base and I'm only really as good as my reference books (some of which were written by the man himself). The history of floodlit football dates back to a game at Sheffield in 1878. Then, over the years, there were various efforts at all sorts of places, some of which involved car, lorry and aircraft headlamps! Clubs then made a more concerted effort in the early 1950s initially through "floodlit friendlies" - our game against Blackburn, which featured Stanley Matthews, being our most notable - before starting to play competitive cup and league games under lights in the mid 1950s. Indeed, the first floodlit FA Cup game between football league clubs was five days before I was born! It's hard now to sense the excitement generated by those big 1950s floodlit games, the most famous of which were played at Wolves. Try these links: www.wolves.co.uk/page/History/0,,10307~62257,00.html www.englishfootball.info/forums/video/view-nDWKcuQPyuQ/
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Post by merse on Jul 14, 2009 15:18:18 GMT
I don't know about the first ever floodlit game at Plainmoor, but I'm pretty certain I was at the first game played under the four corner pylons that replaced those hopelss lights along the side of the pitch. That would have been a game against Watford in Division Four around 1962 if I am remembering correctly (and do I recall Cliff Holton playing up front for the Hornets?)and it was possibly on a Friday night. As is usual in these circumstances, folk used to "blame the lights" because we didn't win just like they blamed Setanta in the BSP Those first Plainmoor lights weren't really fit for purpose and so were only used for friendly games and the friendly with Blackburn Rovers (with Stanley Matthews guesting for us) might well have been their debut. I know the club commisioned a special kit made of reflective satin to play floodlit games in, and without a thought of replica kits as they just didn't exist in those days!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 15:51:15 GMT
The list of friendlies at www.tufchistory.ulmb.com has "floodlit friendly" against a number of matches in the 1950s - the first being away to Gloucester in 1952. The labelling isn't exhaustive (and doesn't need to be beyond the early days) but I rather suspect the November 1954 game against Birmingham - several months before Stan donned the gold - may also have been under lights. The list of "other games" at Plainmoor has thrown up a new one on me: Taunton v Penzance in the FA Cup in 1956 (attendance: 541). I wonder if that was floodlit?
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Post by Jon on Jul 14, 2009 18:12:17 GMT
Any takers for this one. I have a surprise up my sleeve but it's anecdotal, no proof yet. Jon and Barton could be struggling, might have them. Hmmmm. I wonder what kind of a curve ball Sam is going to throw at us here. I'll have a guess at Floodlit Marrow Growing c.1878. The history busters will be happy to investigate any anecdotal evidence. It is commonly believed that the first floodlit soccer match at Plainmoor was on 22 November 1954, when we lost 2-3 to Birmingham City in front of a crowd of 7,000. Brown scored twice to put the Blues 2-0 up, we pulled back to 2-2 through Collins (penalty) and Fewings only for Kinsey to grab the winner in the 89th minute. The second game was the famous Stanley Matthews / Blackburn Rovers game that drew 9,000. The third game that season saw Leeds gain a little revenge for their FA Cup drubbing with a 3-1 win - the crowd down to 3,879. There were another three games the following season (Birmingham, Bury and Middlesbrough) but then the craze seemed to disappear. As Merse says, the first lights were not good enough for competitive football and all midweek league and cup games throughout the 50s had to have afternoon kick-offs - losing the club revenue. This prompted the Board to lash out £9,000 on proper floodlights. They were indeed christened on a Friday night against Watford - on 23 December 1960. The game ended 2-2 with Court and Bettany getting our goals. As Barton says, TUFC'S first ever floodlit game (unless of course Sam knows different) was at Gloucester on 11 November 1952. Our second was at Weymouth on 4 February 1953 and our third against a South Western League XI at Pennycross Stadium on 23 February 1953. This was the first ever floodlit game in Plymouth - nice to think that the good folk of Plymouth had the chance to see a decent team in action under lights.
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Post by merse on Jul 14, 2009 19:33:50 GMT
.............................. and our third against a South Western League XI at Pennycross Stadium on 23 February 1953. This was the first ever floodlit game in Plymouth - nice to think that the good folk of Plymouth had the chance to see a decent team in action under lights. I went to Pennycross Stadium with Newton Spurs for a South Western League game against Plymouth City although I not in the twelve selected to play. I think their history was short lived as they went bust as a Western League side not so long after. Who remembers their name when they won election to the South Western but had to change it due to their original name being disapproved by the league management Committee? If no-one gets it, I'll let you know in the morning.
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Post by sam on Jul 14, 2009 19:46:21 GMT
I have been told on good authority that the first game played under floodlights was Torquay United 'A' v. Halwell and Moreleigh in the Herald Cup. Torquay United 'A' won 9-0. The Halwell goalkeeper for that match lives next door but one to me at Halwell. He said that they tested the lights out for this game. There were no programmes issued. It was in the Mid-50's. People who have any old issues of the South devon League handbooks may be able to help. However, have found some gems in the comments. I don't have the programmes for the Gloucester game on 11/11/52 and Weymouth 4/2/53, do they exist. Merse weighs in with a gem, how great that the club wore reflective satin shirts to compensate for the crap floodlighting, class. Will do some more digging, not for marrows though Jon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 19:47:04 GMT
.............................. and our third against a South Western League XI at Pennycross Stadium on 23 February 1953. This was the first ever floodlit game in Plymouth - nice to think that the good folk of Plymouth had the chance to see a decent team in action under lights. I went to Pennycross Stadium with Newton Spurs for a South Western League game against Plymouth City although I not in the twelve selected to play. I think their history was short lived as they went bust as a Western League side not so long after. Who remembers their name when they won election to the South Western but had to change it due to their original name being disapproved by the league management Committee? If no-one gets it, I'll let you know in the morning. The visit of the Pussycat Club would have really got the pulses racing down at Wadebridge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 20:20:02 GMT
Well, Sam, if your mid 50s date is correct we could float the theory it was an early round of the 1954/55 Herald Cup before that November 1954 friendly against Birmingham. As you say, an old SDL handbook might help. One issue would be as to when Torquay United "A" was established. All I can discover is that they didn't win the Herald Cup until 1957/58.
The possibility remains that, even if this game wasn't the first floodlit game at Plainmoor, it may have been the first competitive game under lights.
I'd have loved that honour to have fallen to Penzance v Taunton in the FA Cup but I suspect that was a Wednesday afternoon job. Indeed, here's a question: what was the first floodlit FA Cup match anywhere?
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Post by timbo on Jul 14, 2009 20:25:01 GMT
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Post by Dave on Jul 14, 2009 20:34:15 GMT
Really interesting read and and a great programme as well, I still wish I could have gone to games in the 50's, it just seems to me it was a more magical period.
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Post by Dave on Jul 14, 2009 20:48:29 GMT
Looking at the programme, I see good old Devon General ran football specials to away games at Exeter as well, I was well aware they ran buses from Newton Abbot, Paignton and Brixham to Plainmoor( from anywhere else?) but never knew about ones to Exeter.
Only five shillings return from Paignton bus station to outside St James Park, so 25P, but that was 20x more than a programme cost back then, did we ever find out how much it was to watch a game in 1955.
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Post by Jon on Jul 14, 2009 21:22:49 GMT
I have been told on good authority that the first game played under floodlights was Torquay United 'A' v. Halwell and Moreleigh in the Herald Cup. Torquay United 'A' won 9-0. One issue would be as to when Torquay United "A" was established. All I can discover is that they didn't win the Herald Cup until 1957/58. The A team's first season in the South Devon League, with home games at Cricketfield Road, was 1952-53. Sam's story does seem to stack up nicely, doesn't it? It would be a huge risk putting on a game before 7,000 fans without a dry run. An A team game would be an ideal opportunity to try the lights out in a match stuation. It shows the value of talking to people whilst you can - so much history is in people's heads. How many Torquay fans have interesting stories to tell that have never been written down for posterity? I wonder if the Herald mentioned this? One rainy Saturday morning, I may just have a skip through the microfilms for October / November 1954 and see if there is any mention.
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Post by Jon on Jul 14, 2009 21:27:36 GMT
Extract from The Official Centenary History Book....... Yet another error in the Centenary History to put right. We didn't win the Birmingham friendly, we lost. I wonder if the error is in John Lovis's original programme article or of it was miscopied for the book. My money would be on the latter. By the way, Timbo, keep posting the treasures! I do really appreciate them and I am sure many others do too.
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Post by timbo on Jul 14, 2009 22:33:42 GMT
There will more to come jon. Cheers
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