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Post by mickyflash on Jun 3, 2009 15:20:29 GMT
Okay, Purely as we are now in the lull between end of season, promotion euphoria and silly season, I thought I would bring up a subject that I haven’t seen much talk on, but I believe is a vital part of next seasons success or failure.
Obviously a lot depends on who Buckle sees playing along side Tim, but do we think he can cut it at League level?
I’m playing a little bit of devils advocate here for the sake of debate, but his record at this level is little to be desired, and no matter who comes in and weather or not Elliot signs his contract, he is a player who we can pretty much assume will play each week and are we pinning our hopes on him coming good and getting the goals for us this year?
Last season I expressed some concerns about our inability to play through teams and ‘create’ opportunities to score. Paul Buckle expressed his concerns that his players where failing to take there chances, and we all know points were dropped. We are now moving up a level and all our opponents will be full time, many defenders will be veterans at this level, Has Tim got what it takes to score 15+ goals for us this season at this level?
My personal point of view, is that he is a very different player now to what he was then (but have no evidence of this fact as I had never seen him play before he joined us!) and I would love him to break this hoodoo, as he has worked tirelessly for the team throughout the two years he has been here. You do not get the accolades that Tim has gotten from fans and players/press alike without being a fairly decent player.
Others have shown that they can make the step up and score goals at this level. My big concern with Tim Sills is he is great in the air and crap with his feet, is his excellent heading abilities enough to get us the goals we need to succeed next year?
Will we as a unit have enough goals in us?
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Post by lambethgull on Jun 3, 2009 15:30:42 GMT
He's certainly not 'crap with his feet', but he does lack pace, and I feel this has been/will be his biggest limiting factor in the higher league.
How big a factor this might be will obviously depend on who he's partnered with and what sort of partnership they get going. A quick co-striker could mean any lack of pace will not be a problem.
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Post by aussie on Jun 3, 2009 15:38:49 GMT
Tim will be up from with Blair and Brilly Elliot will be super-sub, other additions will be added to the squad to give depth in strenght and alternate options. Thats my take on it anyway, bet I`m not far off!
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Post by davethegull on Jun 3, 2009 16:40:40 GMT
There is no doubt that Sills is a good striker at BSP level. But i think his role might have to be a bit more clever in Div 2. Can't fault his effort or commitment, but he is a bit of a "one trick pony". As soon as the other teams suss this out they will cut the supply. So if we're relying on Tim to get the goals i think we might be disappointed. Sure he will hit double figures, but i think we need to use him differently for this league. We need another double figure striker to cause problems.
Before the groupies get started. Sills is a great target man who will get goals. We need to play to his strengths and develop other strategies to complement him. Is Benyon the man or Green or someone else? I don't know, but then again i'm not paid to work it out.
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Post by aussie on Jun 3, 2009 17:16:02 GMT
Thats why I think Sturrock will be the one that plays up top with Tim, if you think about it the pair of them with the right mid-field and wing-backs would be a pretty good looking thing. center-backs that play the ball out to feet, quality goal-keepers, Benyon coming off the bench, a couple of good recruitments to give depth and change and Bobs yer uncle. Ask Blackpool and Coventry if they want to play us in another cup, especially with a better and stronger team than they saw before!
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Post by forevertufc on Jun 3, 2009 17:17:46 GMT
yes tim sills has been succsefull at bsp level with us and aldershot,and largly failed in the football league with oxford and hereford.
their are reason's for that ,my view is as we all know tim is a certain type of player and you have to build your team game plan to a point , to suit tim sills ,yep feed him and he will score.
dave's says he is a 1 trick pony ,i totaly dissagree ,a part of his game rarely mentioned is his first touch on the ball is pretty good ,he also has a good short passing ablity around the penalty area.
watch back his goal at wembley ,you will see carlisle pick up the ball out wide ,benyon/stevens in the box no sign of tim sills. how far did he run to get in that position ? how quick did he get their?
that goal along with other proves that is quite clever in his approach ,and while i 100 % agree he does not have natural pace ,his goal at wembley proves he is no carthorse either.
would tim sills have scored goals for aldershot in the league yes ,will he score goals for torquay in the league yes ,why ? becuase we play to his strenghts ,prediction 15 + goals for tim sills
p.s iam almost positive that blair sturrock wont be with next season,so benyon or a.n other ?
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Post by aussie on Jun 3, 2009 17:29:07 GMT
He did have alot of confidence problems when he was in the League, also you need to use him to his best abilities i.e, structure the team around his ability, to a certain degree anyway. There are certain styles of play and team format that definately do not suit his style of play, so if he was used incorrectly in the past then it is hardly his fault, more like the manager was either clutching at straws or didn`t know what he was donig with him, which would damage a players confidence and goal ratio. A good manager might be able to find a striker that actually works brilliantly with Tim and with the correct mid-field could give us alot more attacking power!
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Jun 3, 2009 18:43:08 GMT
One the problems that Sills might have encountered when moving to Oxford and Hereford is that he went straight-in to those clubs and it probably took a while for him to adjust - by which time he has played a number of games and the moron supporters get on his back, further damaging his confidence. I would bet that if he had got into the leage with Aldershot the season before he joined Oxford (who were on a dreadful run when he signed for them - he couldn't have joined at a worse time!) he would have scored a good number of goals and wouldn't have returned to the BSP until the tail-end of his career.
I reckon we'll get at least 15 goals from Sills - and a lot more in all-round contribution besides.
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Post by Rob on Jun 3, 2009 22:39:11 GMT
One the problems that Sills might have encountered when moving to Oxford and Hereford is that he went straight-in to those clubs and it probably took a while for him to adjust - by which time he has played a number of games and the moron supporters get on his back, further damaging his confidence. I would bet that if he had got into the leage with Aldershot the season before he joined Oxford (who were on a dreadful run when he signed for them - he couldn't have joined at a worse time!) he would have scored a good number of goals and wouldn't have returned to the BSP until the tail-end of his career. I reckon we'll get at least 15 goals from Sills - and a lot more in all-round contribution besides. Spot on. Like all good strikers - cliche time - he needs confidence. I like the way this thread is prefaced with an apology, as it's almost something I, for one, have dreaded debate on. Not here necessarily. But from 2.50pm of our first home League game. (Particularly should this be either our first game or he didn't score away the fixture before) I don't bang on endlessly about the effect of crowds, but I'm about to. With this man - where there's adulation, there's effectiveness. It happened at Camberley, but less so Basingstoke, where he was loaned out and scored for fun at that level early on in his career. It happened at the Rec and it has happened with us. Hereford and Oxford were blips that happened to be League blips, in my opinion also. Centre-halves are generally better in League 2 - no, there are less poor Centre-halves in the bottom quarter of the League - but he has got change out of some decent pairings this last two seasons. The only person I saw do a "proper job" on Sillsy was a Mark Albrighton showstopper (in the ugliest sense) back at Plainmoor in 2007-8 over the last two seasons. Though sure, Sillsy had off-days on occassion too, where it might seem he hadn't got the measure of the opposition in quite the same way as some of his masterclasses in leading the line. The man has a personal hoodoo as Chris Hayes mentioned regarding both he and Nicho, when it comes to the League. The one who will feel that the most is the striker, in my opinion. Some may see it differently. Score early and his doubts/frustrations and those of "a section" at Stade de Plainmoor get bigger and bigger and bigger. Score early and it's 15+. Get him a quick and effective striker alongside and he'll be matching Nicho for assists. A Sillsy's for life. Not just for Christmas.
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Post by merse on Jun 4, 2009 3:34:31 GMT
Tim Sills is not unlike a lot of other lower division strikers in that if his supply lines are cut off, his goals will dry up. His modest pace doesn't allow him to create many of his own opportunities and his ratio of successful strikes on goal to attempts is not that great. So what DOES Sills bring to the table? Well, in my opinion; his retention of the ball and distribution allowing others to come into play are second to none at the level we have been playing. His aerial power is above average and not reliant on "wingers" to cut the ball back from the bye line as the way we play he gets plenty of good angled in crosses from the fullbacks and wide midfield players; and his "bouncebackability" allows him to stick at the task in hand for the whole ninety minutes when sometimes things appear to be not in his favour. How he fares at the higher level should not be pre-judged on his experiences at Hereford and Oxford, for rather than playing in a struggling side he will now be a component part of an already accomplished and successful squad that once it gets it's feet and pace of the new experience should acquit itself fairly well. I don't particularly recall the pace of League 2 central defenders being significantly impressive in all the years that I have watched this level of football, but what I DO anticipate are less mistakes and positional errors being made, thus restricting Sills' opportunities to strike on goal. With that in mind he will need to apply himself and seek to improve his goals per strike ratios to even reach double figures, but who's to say he won't do that? Only Tim Sills can answer that question, but a regular and intelligent striking partner would do him a whole lot of good, as would a speedy and reliable provider on the flank. Do those players already exist on the club's books or is the manager looking to bring such players in? That is the million dollar question!
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Post by petejones on Jun 4, 2009 7:49:40 GMT
I think Merse is correct in saying that there are fewer mistakes made at the next step up, as opposed to any drastic improvement in general quality. This poses another question for Sills: can HE start making fewer mistakes in front of goal?
I too, of course, think he has been great for us during the last two seasons (apart from the odd game; Sillsy doesn't do things by halfs and when he disappears, he really does dig a hole and hide in it!) but my main worry is his finishing with the ball at his feet. He has squandered more than a couple of relatively elementary chances, and as you go up the leagues strikers do this less and less.
I think he'll do well for us though. I think Benyon may well be even more effective at this level than the one below, ditto Green if he stays. Plus I'm sure we'll see one more striker in. With those players around him, I'll stick my neck out and suggest a 17 goal haul for Zorro in 2009/10...
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Post by stevedeckchair on Jun 4, 2009 8:09:12 GMT
I don't think anyone can disagree with the sentiments posted above. Personally, i think Tim is potentially a 20 goal a season striker at league 2 level as he has proved in the BSP. When you think he went for long periods without scoring in the last two seasons, with a little bit more composure with the ball at his feet, he will achieve this no worries. I think teams will come at us more next season and we all know that this will suit our style better than trying to get past the proverbial team bus. He'll also get better service and we'll probably see a lot more goals of the Wembley kind. He's very good at finding the extra yard of space when breaking into the box.
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Post by graystar on Jun 4, 2009 20:12:26 GMT
He's in Turkey at the moment! Signing for Fenerbache perhaps? (Is that how you spell it? - it's all greek to me!) Anyway all joking aside, maybe the past couple of seasons has matured him as a striker. Perhaps he will be a more prolific scorer in the new season. Undoubtedly additional creative talent around him will help to make him a better player. We will all just have to wait and see if the boss can pull one or two rabbits out of the hat. One thing is for sure, the powers that be wont take it for granted that TUFC will stay in the league with the existing squad; they will be scouring the names of available players to add to the already impressive team that exists at Plainmoor. I along with everyone elsewho follows Torquay with ardour expect something positiveto be announced in due course!
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Post by andygulls on Jun 4, 2009 20:25:55 GMT
There is little doubt that Sills will be a more effective front man next season with a decent quality partner with whom he gets an opportunity to form a decent partnership. Those of us that watch the majority of our Torquay fixtures at Plainmoor may perhaps not recognise Sills as a player that holds the ball up well (retention) as noted by Merse. At home he is a player who brings others into play with his ability to win the ball in the air. Away from home he perhaps demonstrates more ability to retain possession himself and I thought he did show this at home quite superbly in the first play off game against Histon at Plainmoor. Perhaps it was the injury and mask or perhaps it was a tactical instruction from PB BUT there was no doubt that on that night Sills showed the ability to control the ball well off his chest and upper body, holding off players and retaining possession himself. I suspect he may need to do more of that next season. Let us also not forget his contribution defensively at set pieces. Both in the play off semi final 2nd leg and in the final Sills was actively defending in his own penalty box and doing so very effectively. Anyone who has a copy of the play off final recorded at home just get it out and wind it forward to just before our second goal. We are defending a free kick. The ball comes in and we clear, but look who is on the edge of our 6 yard box, possibly our deepest defending player at that set piece, yes it is that man Sills. We break and the ball moves down the right hand side. Sills makes up all of that ground from our own 6 yard box to just inside the Cambridge 18 yard box before connecting with that perfect cross and delivering a fantastic header to seal the game after running something like 90 yards. As Merse so rightly says, a speedy and reliable provider will help no end and he will have to improve his goal to strike ratio, but I am fairly confident that he can adapt and he will no doubt want to prove to the doubters that he can indeed cut it in the Football League.
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Post by yellowstew on Jun 5, 2009 23:14:53 GMT
This is what was written in the NPL when Tim was voted number 3 top 20 strikers. when paul buckle got the Torquay job he strove to sign players who not only knew the level and had been successful , but were good people too. in tim Sills he picked one of the finest. Bright and articulate off the pitch, brave and artful on it-as his superb headed goals in the play-offs against histon & cambridge proved. His time in the league wasn`tthe hapiest , but is relishing the opportunity of proving one of non-leagues top marksmen can cut it at the higher level with a club at which everyone appreciates him.
I hope I don`t get done for copy right but I hope people do appreciate him. Not only did he score 21 goals last term but how many corners did we concede ?
stew
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