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Post by bbcgull on Oct 3, 2008 14:18:31 GMT
Would be great to have this great name back in F1
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Post by melloyello on Oct 10, 2008 7:51:22 GMT
Yes it would, I agree. My son has been following his progress for awhile now. Bruno is very like Ayrton to look at. The late Senna is one of my hero's.
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 10, 2008 11:10:13 GMT
Yes it would, I agree. My son has been following his progress for awhile now. Bruno is very like Ayrton to look at. The late Senna is one of my hero's. Indeed, he does look like Ayrton. Would be great to see. Lots next generation/related names in F1... Piquet, Rosberg (really loved Keke in my early days of watching, but he never came close to my fave driver back then, Alain Jones around 80/81) Nakajima One questions i always wondered is why is Ayrton known as Ayrton Senna when his name is Ayrton Senna Da Silva. Same with Bruno - Bruno Senna Lalli. Is it something with using middle names out there. Off topic slightly...discovered this week that Setanta show the NASCAR (Sprint Cup) live each week.  And it features one of my recent faves Juan Pablo Montoya! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2008 22:02:15 GMT
bbcgull Sounds like some strange hybrid to me, maybe a combination of the Frenchman Alain Prost & the Australian Alan Jones.  As you probably recall when Ayrton entered Formula One he was known as Ayrton da Silva but later decided to use his mothers maiden name 'Senna'. It seems to be generally acknowleged that the preponderance of 'da Silvas' in every walk of Brazilian life was considered a draw back from a publicity & recognition point of view & so the less common 'Senna' was used instead. I'm no expert on this but it almost appears to me that Brazilians have in effect two surnames. This is also the case with Bruno who is both a 'Senna' from his Mother & a 'Lalli' from his Father. |
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Post by Dave on Oct 10, 2008 22:10:14 GMT
Glad I only got one surname then, all this Is just going over the head Of the Devon boy ;D
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 10, 2008 22:40:13 GMT
bbcgull Sounds like some strange hybrid to me, maybe a combination of the Frenchman Alain Prost & the Australian Alan Jones. As you probably recall when Ayrton entered Formula One he was known as Ayrton da Silva but later decided to use his mothers maiden name 'Senna'. It seems to be generally acknowleged that the preponderance of 'da Silvas' in every walk of Brazilian life was considered a draw back from a publicity & recognition point of view & so the less common 'Senna' was used instead. I'm no expert on this but it almost appears to me that Brazilians have in effect two surnames. This is also the case with Bruno who is both a 'Senna' from his Mother & a 'Lalli' from his Father.  Yes of course i did mean Alan Jones, am glad someone esle remembers him. Have been following f1 now for 28 years. And i'll be up over night for the Japanese quali and race over the weekend....i even record Friday practice on FiveLive. i do recall the Da Silva days but never found out why so thanks for the info. How long before we see another Mansell...i think he has two sons in some Formula at the moment. And i'm sure Damon hill's son is doing something somewhere in the pyramid now. Talking of Damon, i'll never forget where i was watching the race in the middle of the night when he won the Championship.. ..and when Schumi cheated hill of the track for the title... ..and schumi doing the same the year later with Villenieve (another son!! - of Gilles) but failing! Also remember last year when Marcus Winklehock (ANOTHER son) did one and only one race last year.. i think with Minardi (how times change) and i put one of those sill y bets on that he would finish top 8... and it was 600-1 or something silly... and then during a massive tyre mischoose he LEAD the race for 6 laps... Bloody love my F1..... |
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 10, 2008 22:47:32 GMT
..and Senna and Prost crashes on the first corner for the title....
...and the same thing happening a yearlater and Murray Walker having kittens with "it's happened again!!!!!"
..and Mansell's tyre exploding losing him the title in Australia in the final race of that season...
...and of course the loss of Senna. its a shame lots of people dont remember that Roland Ratzenburger lost his life the DAY BEFORE in quailifying the day before.
Anyway i could go on, but i won't...
...Will be sad to see David Coultard leave in a few races tho.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2008 23:06:29 GMT
I have to agree with Dave..one Surname is more than enough to be going on with ;D but the late great Ayrton would have become famous the world over whatever he decided to call himself.
bbc your enthusiasm for Grand prix racing comes shining through you've reminded me of a few key moments from over the years that I'd almost forgotten, as well as highlighting just how many former drivers have had sons who have done well in their own right in the sport.
I think I'll make do with viewing highlights of the race rather than getting up very early to see it live.
Setting the alarm clock at weekends just doesn't seem right ;D
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 10, 2008 23:11:10 GMT
There are times when the non european part of the season makesme just wanna stay in bed and not get up in the middle of the night, but if its not live then itsnot worth watching...lol there is just something about seeing things as they happen.
I really wonder if the first race of every season in Australia will be forced to change since the success of Singapore night race. I mean they may just have to be a night race as well as the viewing figures round the world for the first race of the season would quadruple, well in europe of course.
Although i have always rspected Button for buying himself out of his own Williams contract i do wonder how long he has left.. if Honda dont get it right within the next two season i feel we wont ever see him up the top again.
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Post by merse on Oct 11, 2008 8:17:38 GMT
Glad I only got one surname then, all this Is just going over the head Of the Devon boy ;D  In my partner's culture (as in Iceland) the son takes the father's surname and the daughter that of the mother's. But in OUR partnership (half my culture of all kids having the father's surname, and half hers), we've gone down OUR own road of Anthony using my partner's father's name { Dengo} (to perpetuate it) and Olivia having Merson as hers. When they are old enough to understand, we will give them the option of adding my surname to Anthony's name (creating Dengo-Merson) and her mother's surname to Olivia's (making Rwamani-Merson) - Rwamani being my partner's surname after her mother. There, I knew that quirkiness would confuse you Dave!  |
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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2008 8:26:49 GMT
Good move Merse confuse the kids as to who they are and what they are called, must be fun at school for them, there was I thinking It was a Dutch thing, you know what I mean, double dutch thinking, good folk of Devon keep things nice and simply, It just makes more sense. |
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Post by merse on Oct 11, 2008 9:09:27 GMT
The kids aren't confused as to"who they are" Dave, YOU are! My partner tells me I am wrong about the Icelanders..................they name the son and the daughter after the father, thus Jon's son is called Jonsson and Jon's daughter is called Jonsdottir The Poles use "ski" and "ska" that way also. Bijou also tells me that she understands that the Brazilian (thus Portuguese) culture embraces saints names in the naming of children - hence the long names being "abbreviated" as names of greeting. Through her Portuguese heritage she is addressed by her family as "Dede" ("D" "D") in deference to her father's name(Dengo)..............it's only me who calls her Bijou. If you and I were Arabic, we would embrace the place of our families origin in our surname after our family name, thus you would be Dave Roach of Newton Abbot and I would be Alan Merson of Newton Abbot...................phew, close call eh? 
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 12, 2008 3:57:20 GMT
..well its a god awful hour but there we go...
I fear a first or second corner pile up today. with this being the first dry race in Japan for many a year, the question of overtaking is an unknown quantity and Massa HAS to get up from 5th within the first lap or his race is over...
..should be a good race though.
I won't post anything til after the re run on ITV tomorrow afternoon so as not to spoil it for anyone watching then.
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Post by Dave on Oct 13, 2008 22:17:03 GMT
Brett I did not watch It or have even heard any news about who won, can you update me please
Dave
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 13, 2008 23:04:49 GMT
The race was notable for incidents involving both the championship contenders, Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa. At the start of the race, Kimi Räikkönen made a good start from second position, getting ahead of pole-sitter Hamilton. Hamilton, however, moved down the inside before the first corner, outbraking himself and running wide. This forced the drivers behind him to also go off the track, including the cars of Räikkönen and Heikki Kovalainen, for which Hamilton was given a drive-through penalty.
The second incident happened soon afterwards on the second lap when Hamilton attempted to pass Massa into the chicane at turn 10. Hamilton pulled alongside the Ferrari and Massa outbraked himself, enabling Hamilton to pass, but Massa crossed the grass and came back in at the second bend of the chicane, pushing the McLaren into a spin. Massa was later given a drive-through penalty for this move. Hamilton, who had been in 6th place behind Massa, dropped down to last place and managed to finish the race in 12th place.
The third notable incident happened on lap 50 between Massa and Sébastien Bourdais of Toro Rosso. Massa had climbed up to 8th place after having dropped down to 13th as a result of his drive-through and his first pit-stop. Just after Bourdais left the pitlane after making his final stop, Massa attempted to pass him and the two cars collided at the first corner. Massa spun, but rejoined the track and eventually finished 8th. Bourdais finished the race in 6th place, but had 25 seconds added to his overall time as penalty for the incident, dropping him down to 10th place. This ultimately had the effect of promoting Massa to 7th place, and giving him an extra championship point. It was a controversial penalty, and Bourdais was adamant that he was not to blame
The race was won by Fernando Alonso for Renault, with Robert Kubica and Räikkönen in 2nd and 3rd. Kubica and Alonso had both benefitted from the first-lap incident, though it was Kubica who was ahead of Alonso before the first pit-stops. The positions were reversed when Alonso made a later but shorter pitstop. He then set a series of fastest laps on a clear track with a lighter fuel load, building up enough of a lead to eventually win the race. Kubica came under pressure from Räikkönen in the final few laps but managed to hold on for 2nd. Earlier, Kovalainen had retired from the race with a hydraulics problem while running 3rd on lap 19.
Massa picked up two points (7th place after Bourdais' penalty was imposed), and so trailed Hamilton by five points in the drivers' championship with two races to go. Ferrari, meanwhile, took eight points from the race and went back to the top of the constructors' standings, ahead of McLaren by seven points
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And it features one of my recent faves Juan Pablo Montoya!
Yes of course i did mean Alan Jones, am glad someone esle remembers him. Have been following f1 now for 28 years. And i'll be up over night for the Japanese quali and race over the weekend....i even record Friday practice on FiveLive.