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Post by bbcgull on Jan 4, 2009 1:16:29 GMT
Now where am i going wrong. I hear about the Setanta highlights at 10am last Round...
I have Setanta1 through BT Vision.. but mine never starts until midday. Is that right. WHy cant i see the highlights at 10?I guess i should chase them and ask.
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Post by crazyfool on Jan 4, 2009 13:26:03 GMT
Going by the reports I've read a fully deserved win yesterday. Spent most of the second half watching updates online. Gave up on the commentary after having no luck in the first half. Confirmation of final whistle seemed to take forever coming in, but boy did it make my Saturday night.
After beating Yeovil last season and reaching the third round (which in opinion was a good achievement) we have gone one better this season. Maybe more!! There will always be those that feel that Buckle is not the man for the job, and although I've had my doubts at times, it is difficult to argue against his win ratio and cup runs.
One thing that has annoyed me is the lack of recognition for this result in some areas. Do you have to beat a team in the Premiership to be a giant killer?? Or is it a team with a certain amount of money or level of attendance?? I ask this because we beat a team 60 places above us and with an average attendance four times ours. No other team in this round beat another team so much higher up the football pyramid. And only Hartlepool beat a team with much bigger crowds. Stoke's average crowd is over 7.5 times higher. Maybe the next round will give us more media exposure ... and more money with it.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Jan 4, 2009 14:28:59 GMT
I couldn't really give a toss about the lack of respect and recognition anymore, Crazyfool - I've given-up. No-one cares about us and it is water off a duck's back for me. Even the impending crap draw for R4 dosn't bother me this time - Exeter were virtually saved by their luck that (has allowed them to develop in a fantastic way and admittedly they made the best of it) but we have no luck on the cup draw front - we haven't for years.
Football and the media (and those that have given-up on TUFC as supporters - especially those that have turned-coat to follow the GASW!) that ignore us can rot and I will just continue to support my team. "Spotlight" or whatever the crap the BBC serve-up to us locals is ridiculous - I'd honestly rather it was abolished and merged with a bigger region that ignores the GAWS as well as the rest of the regional teams!
We're progressing as a club and build ties with the community - something that was neglected for some time. I've not been a happier TUFC fan for some time - even if we had lost yesterday I believe that we are making progress and that is all that I can really ask from a club that will never win a national cup or probably even a league above the conference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 17:56:46 GMT
Here's an oddity... When we beat West Ham in 1990 our winner was scored by the Bath-born Paul Hirons.... .....yesterday's winner was scored by Matt Green, also born in Bath. Only Matt Green's third goal for the club - I'm sure we can expect more - and already he's surpassed Hirons' tally for the club. Believe it or not, that was his only goal for us. A further oddity.... Alvin Martin played for West Ham that day, his son Joe Martin was on the bench for Blackpool yesterday. And, of course, Leroy Rosenior came on as a sub.... From that West Ham game....   |
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Jan 4, 2009 18:02:54 GMT
There were some very good players there for TUFC - Lloyd, Holmes (in his first spell, not when he came home on the Saunders era!!), Elliott, Uzzell, Smith, Edwards, Veysey (in all of his spells he never let us down) and Caldwell (although the first time round he had more impact) are some of my favorite players in the 25+ seasons I've been a TUFC player.
Even up until recently, Hirons popped-up in some role or another in the Janner Indy. Bet he tries dining-out on that goal all the time!!!
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2009 18:26:23 GMT
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Post by merse on Jan 4, 2009 20:59:40 GMT
And, of course, Leroy Rosenior came on as a sub....  Not according to the Great Commuter himself he didn't. I recall him insisting to Romford Kev that he played no part in the Great Wet Hampster Disaster despite the FACT that I recall him missing an absolute sitter by heading over the Ellacombe End crossbar near the final whistle, which is probably the cause of the "selective memory"!  |
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Post by crazyfool on Jan 4, 2009 22:34:48 GMT
Thanks for posting that link up Dave. Cracking free kick there from Hodges. Shame it didn't sneak inside the post. |
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Post by jerry on Jan 5, 2009 9:26:49 GMT
After beating Yeovil last season and reaching the third round (which in opinion was a good achievement) we have gone one better this season. One thing that has annoyed me is the lack of recognition for this result in some areas. Do you have to beat a team in the Premiership to be a giant killer?? Or is it a team with a certain amount of money or level of attendance?? I ask this because we beat a team 60 places above us and with an average attendance four times ours. No other team in this round beat another team so much higher up the football pyramid. And only Hartlepool beat a team with much bigger crowds. Stoke's average crowd is over 7.5 times higher. Maybe the next round will give us more media exposure ... and more money with it. We only got to the 2nd round last year. Probably feels like the 3rd though due to having to play the 4th qualifying round!! As to our lack of recognition, I get the impression that the national media sometimes forget that we are now non-league.(As do I sometimes, until I'm dragged back to reality!  We certainly aren't treated in the same way as the other "plucky underdogs"! Maybe because we are still full time? |
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Post by ospelgull on Jan 5, 2009 9:30:46 GMT
We only got to the 2nd round last year. Probably feels like the 3rd though due to having to play the 4th qualifying round!! As to our lack of recognition, I get the impression that the national media sometimes forget that we are now non-league.(As do I sometimes, until I'm dragged back to reality! ) We certainly aren't treated in the same way as the other "plucky underdogs"! Maybe because we are still ful time? Maybe because Blackpool aren't a "big" club? Think it's more to do with them than with us. |
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Post by merse on Jan 5, 2009 17:50:25 GMT
Now that the dust and excitement has settled, I'd just like to make a few points about Saturday's achievement. I said on Saturday that I was dismayed to be hearing this tired old crap about the team not playing entertaining football and the most ludicrous of all.......................that Paul Buckle was quote >"no good"<quote because although he had the best set of players in the BSP we were so far behind Burton. Well, let's put that one to bed first shall we? Who the hell put the "Best squad" together for us then? .....................and still this crap about "entertainment" - If anyone doesn't find the current entertainment to their liking I suggest they take up watching the Harlem Globetrotters. Yes, yes, I know the ball from the fullback down the channel and over the opposing fullback's head isn't "playing the game the way it was supposed to be played"  but I bet even you Dave hugely enjoyed OUR goal and that is exactly how it came about. So isn't that a whole lot more entertaining than fannying about in midfield with unnessecary touches and passes? There can't be anything more entertaining than the ball hitting the back of the opposition's net can there? I heard pre-match tripe that Carlisle was only here because he was on a "guaranteed first team spot promise", that "Stephens was a better option" because he goes past defenders. So when did that last happen then? I tell you, the way Carlisle and Dsane "tucked in" and protected Mansell and Nicholson was a revelation in nullifying the supposed superior passing ability and pace of a side three levels higher and their general all round willingness to get feet in and snap into tackles; play the early ball in behind slow turning defenders and generally put them under pressure was a masterclass in pragmatic football over "purists" football....................rather like Eastbourne did to us in fact! That was a proper good rousing cup tie on Saturday and the atmosphere that emated from the stands and terraces underlined the FACT that everyone was entertained, just as they should have been against Kidderminster and Histon.
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Post by Dave on Jan 5, 2009 18:11:38 GMT
Merse there is a world of difference between the ball Nico played to Green for our gaol, than the hoof ball I was not to pleased with.
If you took the time to read many of my recent posts you would be better informed and not really need to use my name in your post.
I said a few games ago,that I had been watching Nico very closely, as the ball came to him, he was just looking where he was and where the line was near him. He then without looking up, kicked the ball down the line, where he just hoped someone might be.
I then made another post after a more recent game and said, that now he seemed to have stopped doing that and was looking up and placing the ball where our player was, or into a space our player would run too.
I have never said that long balls over the top of fullbacks was playing football the wrong way, I have watched enough games to know that there are times it can be used and to good effect.
My complaints some time ago was about our defense just hoofing the ball up field to no one, that is not the way to play the game and will lose fans, because they won't pay to watch that. It was how we were playing, but not now, most balls out of defence are now played up to a forward, or into the space where the likes of Green will run too.
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Post by jerry on Jan 5, 2009 20:11:06 GMT
Merse there is a world of difference between the ball Nico played to Green for our gaol, than the hoof ball I was not to pleased with. If you took the time to read many of my recent posts you would be better informed and not really need to use my name in your post. I said a few games ago,that I had been watching Nico very closely, as the ball came to him, he was just looking where he was and where the line was near him. He then without looking up, kicked the ball down the line, where he just hoped someone might be. I then made another post after a more recent game and said, that now he seemed to have stopped doing that and was looking up and placing the ball where our player was, or into a space our player would run too. I have never said that long balls over the top of fullbacks was playing football the wrong way, I have watched enough games to know that there are times it can be used and to good effect. My complaints some time ago was about our defense just hoofing the ball up field to no one, that is not the way to play the game and will lose fans, because they won't pay to watch that. It was how we were playing, but not now, most balls out of defence are now played up to a forward, or into the space where the likes of Green will run too. This is the most relevant point of your post I feel Dave. The reason for Nicholsons (and the other defenders) delivery seeming so much improved is due to having someone in the side who knows how to run the channels. As good a finisher as Benyon is he is far too static and fails to give his defenders an extra option when they have the ball, thus it invariably goes up to Sills' head or "aimlessly" into the channel where a decent striker should be heading. Greens ability to pull his markers out of position also creates more space for Sills and indeed Wroe, Hargreaves etc. It's no coincidence that in the games Green has played our midfield has had a much larger number of shots than in previous games. |
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Post by Dave on Jan 5, 2009 20:27:45 GMT
Jerry I was going to add much the same as you have(only Carol was shouting my tea was ready ;D) left and right backs are always going to be looking to knock the ball down the line and when I referred to Nico looking at the line near him, I believe it was just using the line to act as a guide to how we would kick it, to get it down the line and keep it in.
The real problem has been that Sills or Benyon do not make those runs and even if they did they would not get there before the defenders. It was so clear to see when Green went of on Saturday, that the team was still putting the ball over the top and out wide, Benyon made the runs to the ball, but never got there. Green just seems to come from nowhere, gets to the ball first and has shown he can hold of defenders.
He may have missed some chances, but having Green playing gives our fullbacks better outlets and ones that we can gain advantage from.
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Post by merse on Jan 5, 2009 21:08:43 GMT
The reason for Nicholsons (and the other defenders) delivery seeming so much improved is due to having someone in the side who knows how to run the channels. As good a finisher as Benyon is he is far too static and fails to give his defenders an extra option when they have the ball, thus it invariably goes up to Sills' head or "aimlessly" into the channel where a decent striker should be heading. Greens ability to pull his markers out of position also creates more space for Sills and indeed Wroe, Hargreaves etc. It's no coincidence that in the games Green has played our midfield has had a much larger number of shots than in previous games. I agree with every word of that observation. The point I was trying to get across was the ridiculous assertion that we weren't entertaining, more to say just what do some fans expect in the way of entertainment? Green indeed does add a whole new dimension to our play in a way that the still apparently naive Benyon does not. Another feature of Green's play I like is his lightness of foot as if he runs on his toes and has the delicate balance that throws big defenders off balance at the last crucial second. Quite reminiscent of the legendary Robin Stubbs...............and that'spraise indeed! |
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but I bet even you Dave hugely enjoyed OUR goal and that is exactly how it came about.