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Post by Dave on Mar 10, 2009 23:53:44 GMT
I'm one of the few who maybe has always backed Carlisle out on the pitch and after a poor start, he had started to play much better until he got injured. Would Bucks have played him on the left if he really had other choices tonight? not so sure he would have as he has kept him on the right all season so far. He did and I believe Carlisle has shown that is where he does play best and we know that to our cost.
I was more pleased for Ellis tonight, as I said before I got to have a long chat with him a while back, he seemed a very sad and depressed young man and one who may not have wanted to hang around any longer than he had to. Even tufc01, remarked last week how Mark cut a lonely figure out on the pitch as he was not in the squad.
I'm sure he has a big smile on his face and I'm sure I heard on the radio he saved one goal by getting his head on the ball. Will he keep his place? who knows but he has proved that even without getting and real competitive action, he can come in and still do a first class job at the back for us.
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Post by chrish on Mar 11, 2009 1:14:40 GMT
Well, what a great result. I'll post a little more in the morning with some photos as I only got home 20 minutes ago. I think we just about deserved to get something from the game. We created the better chances and played the better football. I did think it was slipping away from us towards the end as Altrincham were getting into the game more and looking dangerous after we started to give the ball away in daft areas. Bevan flapped at a few crosses and didn't take charge of a couple of times when it got a bit hairy. Hodges, Robertson and Ellis were excellent. I'd give MOTM to Ellis. Mansell gives the ball away far too often, Nico had a ok game. Hargreaves also had an ok game, Wroe showed nice touches but needs to find a better end product. Thompson and Benyon both covered a lot of ground. Green faded after a very bright start.
Carlisle has a very nice habit of scoring goals when they are needed. That's Cambridge, Grays and now Altrincham where he's popped up to nick the important winner.
A few strange things happened before kick off. A friend of mine booed the Altrincham team when they ran onto the pitch, only for some members of the Altrincham team to boo us back. That was quite amusing. However their humour didn't stretch far enough to us giving Goalkeeper Coburn a bit of stick during the warm up. Nothing rude, I just enquired whether he was letting all the pratice shots in for Comic Relief and whether the goalkeeping coach could find a game he was good at. ;D Their response was to boot footballs at us. One narrowly missed me on the way to grab a pre-match cup of hot steaming Bovril.
My first trip to Moss Lane will be fondly remembered for the extremely sexy Eastern European young lady (brunette, white blouse, red bra!) serving me a nice pint of JW Lees bitter in the King George Pub before the game and then it ended with Wayne Carlisle cracking in the winner. Everything in between was a bit shit, mostly.
About 100-150 from Torquay in a crowd of 768 I think. A lot of our lot had North West accents though!
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Post by tufc01 on Mar 11, 2009 1:38:44 GMT
I agree with Chris, on the balance of play we just about deserved to win it. Although the goal came against the run of play as we were run ragged in the last 15 minutes, in fact from pretty much from when Green went off.
Overall a good game to watch, plenty of chances and some great saves by Bevan, great company to watch the game with and a perfect result. As Jon said to me just BEFORE the goal "better to score in the last minute, than the first" How very true.
Great feeling when Carlisle slotted that goal, even though it looked like it went over at first from 100 yards away, but it certainly shut the few Altricham fans up
Knackered after a long day but will post a report when i get back from the racing at Cheltenham tomorrow.
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Post by merse on Mar 11, 2009 4:06:08 GMT
ohtobeatplainmoor as merse said, it really is just a sign of the times, with home gates being so much lower than expected, sponsor monies being withdrawn, something has to give and ways to make savings have to be found. Not sure how much over night stays cost, but its not just the hotel etc, its also having to pay for the coach for another day. I really don't see it as being too big a problem really, it was the norm under Batson except for a few games when he did put his hand in his pocket. The only time it will have any real effect is when we have games very close together. The boys will surely have a day off tomorrow and should be recovered properly to train on Thursday. Hmmn, not so sure about that Dave. Sports Science was never a subject Mike Bateson had much truck with but I can tell you (as I mentioned the other day) when the end of the season comes and the games come thick and fast, recovery after a match is half the battle and it can't be begun properly if the day has been an elongated marathon with lengthy trips on a coach at either end. When an athlete's body is wracked and tired after exertion, there will be lactic acid to disperse, there will be a certain amount of internal bleeding caused by strains and pulls (even of a minor nature) and the mind will still be racing (even more so these days with the widespread use of caffeine based stimulants like Red Bull) causing sleep deprivation. So whilst the lack of an "overnight" might well be overcome "on the night" i.e. the match that is being travelled to, the poor recovering state of the players' bodies puts them at a disadvantage in the build up to the next game........................as might well have been the case with the R&D game last Saturday. That is why at the very top, the England set up for example and the clubs that compete in Europe go to great expense and lengths to get their players home as soon as is humanly possible - even to the extent of having the players individually driven home from airport to house - so that they can immediately go into "preparation mode" for their next game. I'm not dismissing the very real monetary constraints of running OUR club, but then again just a few hundred more on the gate at home would have rendered such cost cutting unnecessary! There'll be precious little "training" done on Thursday (or Friday for that matter) more running out the acid, gently stretching out the fatigue and even more gently coaxing those muscles into another superhuman effort for Saturday. Enforced changes in the lineup really need to be worked on out on the training pitch, but where is the time? There isn't any, and now is really the time when all the hard base work that was put in earlier in the season provides a good "bank" on which to draw, and the players need to concentrate on properly relaxing and recovering like never before......................even to the extent of laying on the settee watching Cheltenham and calling to the Missus for another cuppa rather than getting up and collecting the kids from school!
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Post by dazgull on Mar 11, 2009 11:16:28 GMT
I must admit from the away end it was going to be a bit deflated at the end of the game with a disjointed second half performance but hey at least we have got a point playing a different system, then Carlisle smacked in his, now customary, late winner and the feeling was much different! A good turnout for a tuesday with 100 or so there, pity the goal was down the other end.
Plenty of effort from both sides but not much quality and very difficult to pick a man-of-the-match as the team all performed about the same. Although probably just give it to Mark Ellis.
My first trip to Altrincham and like Chris was in the pub too before the game and enjoyed being served by the barmaid. My travelling mates were also happy as they all got a drink on me as I had a wee bit on Punjabi at Cheltenham earlier!! A couple of the lads enjoyed their real ale and they even got served with a pint mug with a handle, they seem to have disappeared these days.
The food in the ground was good with a decent Balti Pie plus a real first for me when I went to get a hot drink. Tea, Coffee, Bovril, Soup you may think? No.... Hot Vimto!! Had to be done...
Congrats to the driver in getting us back 10 minutes earlier than last week.
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Post by jerry on Mar 11, 2009 14:17:36 GMT
Plenty of effort from both sides but not much quality and very difficult to pick a man-of-the-match as the team all performed about the same. Although probably just give it to Mark Ellis. Ellis was man of the match in his last appearance as well, then was promptly dropped for the next few months!! If player of the year was done on average performance per minutes on the pitch he would be a shoo-in!! Seriously though, I am pleased for the lad, he has waited patiently for his chance and hopefully he'll get a run of games now.
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Post by chrish on Mar 11, 2009 17:10:49 GMT
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Post by merse on Mar 11, 2009 17:26:45 GMT
Ok. Here are a few photos from last night's outing to Cheshire. I'm afraid that I wasn't brave enough to get one of the barmaid from the boozer. She was far too close. I usually get 'em with the zoom lens and me hiding behind a bush!Benyon gets booked for nothing. Note the manutd.com advertisement. Couldn't you have got a picture of the "bush" then? Benyon got booked for being brainless.................everyone knows you have to get the ref's permission to come back on. Alty get "Manure" (ressies) on their pitch every fortnight and I guess the income from the advertising board comes in handy as well! Liked the kit combination last night..................."Brazil of the Westcountry"!
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Post by chrish on Mar 11, 2009 20:04:07 GMT
I rather liked the kit combination as well. Almost as good as the blue shorts and socks at Woking!
Perhaps he was brainless. He was probably also incensed that the referee hardly had a word with their number 4 after he clattered him into the advertising boards. On a technicality he should've also booked Chris Senior I guess. He had to be carried across the 6 yard box because there's no space behind the goal. Whether his little legs touched the ground I don't know but he re-entered the field of play without getting the refs permission. Several of our fans, feeling light injustice after the Benyon incident, tried to bring the Senior incident to the ref's attention, which then incurred the wrath of the local urchins. A vicious circle of niggle because of another weak referee.
No bush shots either I'm afraid.
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Post by Dave on Mar 11, 2009 20:13:01 GMT
Thanks again Chris for your great pictures, its good to see what the ground looks likes, mind you it does look empty, do you know what it can hold? Just wish you had got a shot of the bar lady
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Post by chrish on Mar 11, 2009 21:09:07 GMT
According to their website.......
The official ground capacity (2006) is 6,085 which comprises:
Hale End terrace: 1,434 - this is the away supporters' end. Golf Road (Dawn Abbott) terrace: 1,554 - this is the home supporters' end. Popular Side terrace: 1,774 - this is normally for home support but can be split at various points to allow away support as well. Main Stand and vicinity 1,133 - not normally segregated. Family Stand 190 - not normally segregated.
PS. I would never get shot of her!!
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Mar 11, 2009 22:52:56 GMT
Was the pitch as good as the photos made it look? I guess that it is a bit like Aldershot having such a decent surface because they hos Chelsea reserve matches.
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Post by ealinggull on Mar 11, 2009 23:14:45 GMT
Chris As you know I'm partial to the odd northern irish whiskey. Did you, by any chance, enquire as to whether the barmaid had a Black Bush?
For future reference ..
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Post by cav on Mar 12, 2009 21:02:49 GMT
Chris, I totally agree about the Polish barmaid back at the pub Very pleasant indeed!! A hand pulled pint of WILLIES into one of her JUG's was the order of the day!! In fact it was so nice , we had to go back after the game so she could pull another one! Oh dear, oh dear oh dear! Viz eat your heart out ;D ;D Oh yeah, and a great goal from Carlisle!
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Post by tufc01 on Mar 12, 2009 23:24:50 GMT
Sorry its late but I did say I would write a match report from the Altrincham game on here, however as we are now looking forward to Saturdays game with Barrow, it seems a bit late, so just a couple of points to note from me. I am also writing this in the car on the way to Cheltenham races so apologies if i cover anything that has already been done and dusted.
The directions to the ground must have been written by the Manchester tourist information board as the mansions we passed on the way in were extremely nice, and posh. I didn’t realise it was such an affluent area, until you get to the ground. The town centre was also very impressive, even the ‘hoodies’ were wearing a shirt & trousers. It doesn’t look like the credit crunch has hit there just yet as the cars we saw were like a Top Gears who’s who.
I thought the ground itself was stereotypical of a non league ground and it grew on me as the evening wore on. The toilets reminded me of the toilets that used to be behind the ‘old’ popside, some of you will know exactly what I mean, skanky but bizarrely memorable.
It was good to meet up with Jon as we compared excuses to see how we justified making the trip ‘up north’ on a Tuesday evening. Sorry Jon, but I did feel that my ‘excuse’ was slightly more plausible.
I would say that the line up was more 5-3-2 rather than 3-5-2, but perhaps I am being a bit pernickety. However, it was a bold move by Bucks (who says he only has one plan??) and it suited the players that were selected.
The first 20 minutes was very encouraging, we took the game to them and looked very dangerous. Once again I found myself initially thinking how many we were going to win by, followed by worrying that another period of sustained pressure and we hadn’t scored and ended with ‘Alty are going to nick it in the end’.
I think that this formation and team would have suited the Kettering game as we played football and rarely was it lumped forward. It would be worth bearing in mind for when they come to Plainmoor.
Green and Benyon worked well during that period and if they could keep it up for longer then it give us another option when Sills is fit again. Although to be fair to them they haven’t had much practice at it so far. Green was unlucky when Benyon played him through and his chip just failed to get over the keeper. Green plays better when he starts in the centre and then goes wide looking for the ball, rather than starting wide as he does tend to drift back into the centre anyway.
The only criticism I had of the first half/formation was Thompson. He looked like he was playing just in front of Hargreaves and Wroe, however when Green did go wide into the channels to get the ball, Thompson should really be pressing to get into the box. He didn’t, so a couple of times the ball came across and only Benyon was in the box.
Actually I have another one; From the long throws Robertson only got to one of them which meant that this part of our game became less potent than it usually is. For those that were saying that Robertson should be considered to play up front as a ‘replacement’ for Sills, I say you are talking Bo**ocks. Firstly he doesn’t get his head onto enough of the balls to flick it on and secondly he is not as strong in the air.
Alty came back into in the last 10 minutes of the first half and we had Mansell (I think) to thank for saving one off the line. We still shaded the first half though. Second half started much the same as the first and again you begin to worry when we have lots of pressure but haven’t scored. This time it was made worse when Alty really did come back into it in the last 20 minutes, to the point of dominating and looking easily the more likely to score. The shape suddenly disappeared and if it wasn’t for Bevan then we would have been in trouble.
The substitution was a bit strange at the time. One was definitely needed but at the time i was thinking more that Thompson would go off, Hargreaves move back into the middle and Carlisle would go out on the left, leaving Benyon & Green still up front. This was about the time that Alty went on to dominate and whilst in Hindsight we can all say what a great Substitution, but I wasn’t sure of it at the time. We lost our way after that and were rather fortunate to get away with it. However harsh and controversial that may sound i believe that was the wrong thing to do. Mind you that’s why I am not the manager and it eventually brought 3 points, so what do I know.
Thompson is not an option to play up front, he was poor up there after the substitution much better to have left Green on (unless there was a good reason for it??).
As the 90 minutes were up Jon turned to me and said “Better to score in the last minute, than the first”. Less than a minute later his words of wisdom came true.
The winner, rather against the run of play at the time, came at the other end from us, so it was difficult to see. In fact from where we were stood it looked like it had gone over, however what a great moment.
It was also interesting to hear someone in front who had being steadily increasing his displeasure with the team as the game stayed at 0-0, until Wayne scored and he quite rightly said “Job Done, Happy now”.
That is exactly what it was “Job Done”, 3 points and probably on the balance of it deserved. Not that it matters whether it was or not, 3 points is 3 points, and away from home with a few players missing, even more impressive.
For me the Man of the Match was Bevan, unquestionably. He pulled off a couple/three great saves towards the end of the game. Without those we would have lost, so you could argue that he was the main reason why we won.
Of the other players, Ellis had a good game but was prone to the odd slice or Five, though that can be put down to lack of matches. He did make some telling challenges and whilst I would prefer to see Woods back in there for his distribution i think he is a useful ‘back up’.
Wroe had a strange game. Largely quiet and then pops up with the odd telling pass. He is turning into a bit of an enigma. One of those players that you would love to have in the team when you are 2 up, but when the chips are down and it needs a bit of graft and hard work, he may be a bit of a liability.
Mansell and Hargreaves gave there all as usual. Nicholson, Robertson & Hodges were solid. Green and Benyon were good without looking like they quite had that cutting edge, there is no doubt we miss Sills.
Good to see Paul Buckle make sure the players came right over to the away end at the end of the game. They were clapping the fans from the half way line until Bucks made sure they came right over. A gesture that was appreciated by many.
Bring on Barrow, another 3 points would be ideal.
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