Mark L
TFF member
Posts: 324
Favourite Player: Paul Baker
|
Post by Mark L on May 27, 2009 9:13:03 GMT
Rjd, credit is due to PB. I've never questioned his work ethic. He is a grafter and this papers over the cracks. He is not a good manager yet. He makes too many mistakes at the moment. He can get away with it at BSP level but it will be more difficult to avoid at the next level. I have no doubt PB will up his work rate to compensate and i hope this is enough. He has shown that he has learnt from some previous mistakes. My expectations last season were promotion, we got it..........phew!!! Next season i would like to see us flirt with the playoffs tho if he can get us in to them next year he will indeed be a miracle worker. Surely too many mistakes would mean not making the play-offs TWO SEASONS IN A ROW? Surely it would mean not getting promoted? I think rather than papering over the cracks, Paul's been making himself a better manager. Papering over the cracks suggests it's all going to fall apart. I find it hard to see any evidence for this. Am I missing something Dave? I'm with Merse's general gist. It became fairly obvious to me that Leroy was more a coach and motivator than someone able to choose players who would work well to complement his team. When the key players from his squad were taken away it fell apart. I think PB would have the nous to recognise players which would at least fill the gaps... after all, he's built this team up from the smouldering ashes. Leroy was given a host of talented players and players with good potential. Saying this, I still have very fond memories of what Leroy achieved. He had his flaws, all managers do.
|
|
petef
Match Room Manager
Posts: 4,627
|
Post by petef on May 27, 2009 9:14:21 GMT
Two very successful seasons, the envy of many BSP clubs. A Wembley cup final, and the play offs in his first managerial position and promotion in only his second season. We at long last have a club board and management structure we can all be proud of and still the ridiculous "lucky Buckle" comments keep coming. All your comments Dave are so easy to state in hindsight and you tend to forget that he had to build a team from virtually nothing, get them playing to his style and tactics in a little more than a month. If you ask me he isn't lucky as you put it he's a bloody miracle worker. You suggest the players he brought in in last seasons Jan transfer window were not up to it well you must have knowledge that there were better ones available in our budget and willing to come here in the middle of winter when all decent players were playing regularly at there respective clubs. We are fortunate to have a manager of Buckles calibre In "all" departments. Believe me you will eventually get your chance to slag him off eventually when he does depart, as we all know nothing is forever he will leave because of lack of success or will be poached as successful and ambtious managers often are and you will desrev a Richard Hancox as a replacement. You should be enjoying the moment they are very very rare.
|
|
jerry
TFF member
Posts: 165
|
Post by jerry on May 27, 2009 10:13:32 GMT
Jerry, i guess strengthen is the key word. Dsane, er no, played out of position so what was the point? Adams, hardly played at all, so what was the point? Kaid, went back after a couple of games, so what was the point? None of them strengthened the team. But that's not the point which you repeatedly try to put across though is it? Your point is that Buckle didn't spend the money he was offered when he clearly did! As for the above players, well personally I think Dsane certainly strengthened the squad. He provided some competition to the front pair who had started to go off the boil at that stage of the season. This season he has done an important job for the team (do you really think Nicho would have had such a good season if he had Stevens "protecting" him all season?) and as Andy says above, contributed some very important goals. Steve Adams suffered a very unfortunate family bereavement not long after he arrived which understandably affected his form. Are you going to claim that Buckle should have anticipated this? Kaid wasn't a great success but was certainly worth the gamble. In your world it seems that any success we have attained is down to good luck and nothing to do with the management team, yet any set backs are entirely the fault of Buckle! You can't have it both ways, if Buckles management was responsible for the poor early season results then surely he has to be equally responsible for our ultimate success?
|
|
|
Post by tufcwewillbeback on May 27, 2009 10:43:20 GMT
Gk - Bevan or Poke (Happy with that) Defence - Mansell, Todd, Robertson, Nicholson. (Happy with that) Midfield - Maybe need a new Cm because Hargreaves is surely to old to play week in week out. I would like him to stay here though as abit of a squad player. Strikers - Sills and one other. Possibly Benyon or Green but I would like to see a new striker with a little bit more quality.
So I'd say we need a quality central Midfielder and a quality Striker and I'd be very happy with that. Any Suggestions? I see Millwall have just released 10 players
|
|
Rob
TFF member
Posts: 3,607
Favourite Player: Asa Hall
|
Post by Rob on May 27, 2009 11:20:20 GMT
Jai Reason and Stuart Fleetwood?
|
|
midlandstufc
TFF member
Posts: 945
Favourite Player: Dawkins lol
|
Post by midlandstufc on May 27, 2009 12:19:46 GMT
I'd imagine that PB is feeling like a kid in the sweet shop at the moment as the current climate will be raining players upon him. I hope he sits on his hands and takes his time to strengthen areas and not necessarily take the best player who is available under our budget.
But first, I hope he takes a critical look at the our fringe players and gently nudge them to another BSP team. When the squad is lean with quality, desire and potential; then it is time to go out and make it special enough to avoid a relegation scrap for the next season.
Anyway, does anyone know anything at all? I'm just getting too excited and impatient!!
Keep, get (IMO) or already kept; rest get rid of/sell/whatever -
GK - Bevan (think Poke will find himself something permanent - I hope for him anyway)
Def - Robertson, Nicho, Todd, Ellis (RB required)
Mid - Manse, Wroe, Carlisle, Greavsie, Carayol, Stevens (CM required, although I fancy Carlisle there believe it or not)
Att - Sills, Benyon.
That's it, 13, who've I forgot?
|
|
|
Post by Budleigh on May 27, 2009 13:21:17 GMT
Hodges!?
|
|
davethegull
TFF member
Posts: 1,094
Favourite Player: Dave Caldwell
|
Post by davethegull on May 27, 2009 13:49:55 GMT
Rob, if we were to get Fleetwood and Reason I think that would be a clear statement from PB that he doesn't intend to just consolidate next season. Altho i could be reading too much into it, as usual!? Would be a boost for the fans as well and put more bums on seats.
|
|
|
Post by pikeygull on May 27, 2009 16:33:38 GMT
Midfield - Maybe need a new Cm because Hargreaves is surely to old to play week in week out. I would like him to stay here though as abit of a squad player. I don't see that. CH played the most games for us this season and I'm sure he could easily complete 75% of next seasons games as well. Add to that Graham Alexander who at 37 has just won promotion out of the Championship with Burnley (and I stand to be corrected) only missed 20mins of Championship matches, and notched up 61 matches in all. For some age holds no boundaries.
|
|
Enzo
TFF member
Posts: 283
|
Post by Enzo on May 27, 2009 16:53:03 GMT
I'd would hope we may show some interest in the player who put on the best performance of the season at Plainmoor. Andre Boucaud of Kettering, I thought he looked a real class act and certainly would grace a league 2 side. If his performance that day was a true reflection of his ability, I'd build a team around him.
|
|
midlandstufc
TFF member
Posts: 945
Favourite Player: Dawkins lol
|
Post by midlandstufc on May 27, 2009 17:15:36 GMT
Yes Budleigh, Hodges; knew I'd forgotten someone. His experience will be valuable.
And I'm in the Greavsie camp - even half the games would be enough for me and some more judicious substitutions, which didn't happen this year. Hope he enjoys his break.
|
|
Dave
TFF member
Posts: 13,081
|
Post by Dave on May 27, 2009 18:33:38 GMT
Yes some very good view points have been expressed on this thread and I would just like to put my take on a few of the points that have been made. At this time Bucks really is our hero as he is the man who picked the team, picked the players and got them do what was required to get the team back into the football league. Not to do so would have seen our club fast becoming an established BSP team and as I have said before, one that might well have become a much smaller club and seen many less fans paying at the gate. Was Bucks lucky? Not really but no matter what you do some luck often plays a part and I do feel as I know many do, that he has had his fare share and I'm glad he did as who would want a manager who never got any luck. We all have at times in our life's, made the wrong decision and got lucky as we suffered no real consequence for making the wrong choice, others will make the same mistake and find they have had a large price to pay. Bucks in my view did make some wrong decisions and I'm not going to say getting rid of Woods was one of then, but it does not mean because we went up decisions like the Woods one were correct. I'm sure merse will say if you get the required result at the end of the day, then all decisions taken along the way had to be the correct ones, but I do not subscribe to such views. You can make a decision and it will be the case it may come down to walking on a fine line and you could fall either side, Bucks so far has so many times fell on the right side and that is why I feel some feel he is lucky. Yes Leroy has been long gone, but I do despair that some want to keep on making out he was just a crap manager and did not have a clue what he was doing. He gave us one of our best footballing seasons ever and took a team up that so nearly went down the season before. I have never before or since seem any manager who was shown such a show of real affection and respect by TUFC fans at Plainmoor during that great season and I wish I could read what Merse was writing on forums when all that was happening. Your are correct merse when you say what happened the last time we went up won't happen now we have this wonderful board, Leroy did not have the luxury I'm afraid. He started with a much weaker team and there was not the sort of money offered to him to spend that would have attracted players of first division standard. Its rather silly to say once he lost all the best players it all feel apart, what would you expect to happen. Without the quality players and unable to bring in suitable replacements no manager would be able to turn that team into a promotion team, put Ferguson in charge of a prem team with very low income, no chance to sign the top players and see if he can win the title again next year. Before the start of last season its true we only had four players, but due to the backing Bucks got he was able to sign players that soon had other clubs fans claiming that we were a rich club. City fans were moaning like hell as TUFC down the road were bring in players who had a good name in the BSP and so many other clubs would have liked to have even been able to afford to sign them. That is the real difference between the situation Bucks is in compared to Leroy. I never agreed with him moving back to Bristol, but I was told he was under a lot of pressure from his wife who was unhappy living here and she wanted to move back home. It really should not have made that much difference anyway as its only an hour and a half drive. We will never know if Leroy could have done as well as Bucks has, if he got the same backing, but he fully deserves all the praise he is due for giving us what in my view was the best ever season of quality football at Plainmoor. Most know that in football you are a hero one minute and a villain the next, Bucks can go on and become a cult figure with TUFC fans and that is what I hope for him, but he as we all should be aware, knows that being on the crest of a wave and staying there can be two different things. Get things wrong next season and many fans will forget the season before, Leroy found that out the hard way, one day a man who fans bowed too and only one season later one who's head was demanded.
|
|
Rob
TFF member
Posts: 3,607
Favourite Player: Asa Hall
|
Post by Rob on May 27, 2009 21:03:55 GMT
Anyone got a link to that retained/released site? I need to do some virtual shopping just in case Bucks doesn't land Reason and Fleetwood.
|
|
|
Post by stuartB on May 27, 2009 21:06:48 GMT
Anyone got a link to that retained/released site? I need to do some virtual shopping just in case Bucks doesn't land Reason and Fleetwood. Are you on some kind of commission or are you their agent? ;D
|
|
petef
Match Room Manager
Posts: 4,627
|
Post by petef on May 27, 2009 22:29:03 GMT
Looks like Fergies "luck" ran out tonight. Maybe he should have strengthened the squad in the Jan transfer window. ;D
|
|