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Post by kevgull on Apr 27, 2009 18:31:50 GMT
Raynor, Phillips, Woods and now Dsane all leave the club under a cloud. There is another senior player still at the club who has qualified to play next year but does not rate the manager.  Well Hodges can always decline the offer of his 2 year with us and take early retirement then. We could use his wages elsewhere. I'm glad to see Dsane go. There is one thing I can stand from footballers whatever their ability and that is application, work rate & desire ( OK that's 3 points but..) Roscoe is lacking in all 3 IMHO and I think his team mates had had enough as well judging by Greavies Blog entries last week. I'm sure there are plenty of other players in the squad who havn't been happy with our manager and thats the problem with recruiting top players from so called smaller teams. All used to being top dog and now hold a lower ranking in a bigger and better squad than before. Nicholson, Woods, Ellis, Thompson, Brough, Green, Robertson have all been mentioned this season in regards to falling out or being upset with the managements decisions. Some have knuckled down and got their rewards, others have been in the same situation all season. And thats made me think of one player who I can't even think how many appearances he has made in 18 months and now moaning heard from him and thats Adams. Any way we can leave all this until May 18. The SQUAD have got us to the Play Offs 3pts less than last year and with less defeats to boot. I think we all feel more confident with what lies ahead this year. And who finished 4th and on 83pts last season?? Good take on the situation pikey. |
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Post by pikeygull on Apr 27, 2009 18:53:28 GMT
Totally agree Aussie. Set the standard and toe the line.
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Post by Dave on Apr 27, 2009 19:07:33 GMT
Raynor, Phillips, Woods and now Dsane all leave the club under a cloud. There is another senior player still at the club who has qualified to play next year but does not rate the manager. Yes and when both Rayner and Phillips left I was one on here who questioned Bucks man management skills as from the outside it looked like he was the cause of some of the problems. At that time Sean( sponsor) was on this forum, he is still a member by the way just does not log on for what ever reasons. He is a personal friend of Bucks and one thing Sean did talk to me about over the phone was how different it is having to manage such a large amount of testosterone all in one place and so many ego's also to deal with. A pro footballer has a job just like you and me, but your boss won't have you sat in the stands while the others do all the work would he. But in a team some will not make the squad, may be on the fringes more than the player would like, but the manager has to pick his best team, or the one he feels best suits the opposition. Trying to keep control in such a work place is far different from a job any other type of manager would have to do, you won't see a Tesco manager having to deal with people with big ego's, if he did then those with the big ego's would soon be down the job office. Bucks lives or dies by the results he gets out on the pitch, having a large squad means that some players are never going to be happy, always wanting to play in more games etc. You will find that Bucks is a quite a hard manager, he expects you to work hard in training, fight for your place in the team and more importantly, not to sulk like a baby if you are left out of the team. If you fail or are unwilling to toe the line then as a player you would find under Bucks your days will be numbered. Tell me what you want from a TUFC manager? do you want him to let certain players do what they want, IE not train as hard as the rest, just because that player feels he is so good and does not need to train as hard as the rest of the squad. Do you want him to allow a player who is causing problems in the dressing room, stirring up the other players, to just get on with it, or would you want him to put the good of the team first and take what action he sees fit. Like I said I have had my eyes open to how things are in a dressing room and I believe if the manager is not strong, then you can forget about ever getting promotion or anything else for that matter. |
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Post by Rob on Apr 27, 2009 19:16:32 GMT
I'm sure he'd do an excellent job up front with Jon Main at AFC Wimbledon next season. Not sure about the comment that he wouldn't cut it in the League. He was when we signed him. Sorry to see him go. But if he walked, then he's not required.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 19:36:48 GMT
Raynor, Phillips, Woods and now Dsane all leave the club under a cloud. There is another senior player still at the club who has qualified to play next year but does not rate the manager. But is this at all unusual in football? Isn't it partly a result of the human dynamics of professional sport where you might have 21/22 competitive people chasing 11 (or 16) positions every time they turn up for work? Yes, their earnings are guaranteed (and the daily conditions of employment supportive) but - other than that - it has something of the psychology of the old dock labour system of people competing for work. As others have implied, most will get on with it but a few will fall by the wayside. That's life. Raynor....Phillips....Dsane.....Woods. It feels like we are seeking bloodied martyrs as part of our penitence. We want stability in football but - even when this is present - players come and go. If - as is rumoured - the squad will be reduced from 21 to 18 we mustn't expect this to be a simple "three out". The "normality" of football - at every club in the land - would point to rather more movement than that. Roscoe is a funny one. I desperately wanted him to do well at Plainmoor but never felt he would do (although being asked to play in a variety of positions may not have helped). He's one of those players you know would be lethal at a grade below (with plenty of decent offers forthcoming from SE clubs no doubt) - and one of those who you half-expect to bang in a couple against us one sunny day. A complete hunch, but was he an old fashioned semi-pro player who wasn't fully-suited to the professional game? Again that's life and people. |
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Post by merse on Apr 27, 2009 19:37:20 GMT
Like I said I have had my eyes open to how things are in a dressing room and I believe if the manager is not strong, then you can forget about ever getting promotion or anything else for that matter.  I don't mean to be disrespectful here Dave, but I feel you have learned about the realities of professional football and the management of it in the past season. You're absolutely correct about the need for a manager to be strong, and in my experience some of our better managers have been amongst the more unpopular with larger percentages of the squad than other less successful ones. Speak to players who played under Frank O'Farrell and you will hear plenty of them say that although they didn't exactly like the way he managed them they respected it AND he produced results. Hands up those of you who remember how popular the charismatic "pirate" Jim Fryatt was with the Plainmoor faithful and how his arse hardly touched the ground when FO'F had him out for off the field indiscretions. Bruce Rioch too was a very hard task master and could be really withering of players who failed to live up to his personal standards of professionalism and discipline, and don't even mention Cyril Knowles..................cross that man and you were history I tell you. In a nutshell they were hard men who drove a hard bargain, but they were winners and they would to a degree forgive a certain lack of finesse as long as it was compensated for with an equal amount in exchange of effort and determination. In my opinion, that is exactly the mold that Paul Buckle is out of. He's not here to be Mr Popular, he's here to be Mr Successful and he can't be the latter without a certain degree of mental toughness and strong focus on the job in hand. Should he fail, he knows it is HIS job on the line, HIS remuneration, HIS means of paying HIS mortgage and supporting HIS family. History tells us that managerial failures at OUR out of the way club are in reality the end of the road as far as the management game goes and if I were Paul Buckle I'm buggered if I'd sit idly by and see the poor attitudes of people like Lee Phillips, Simon Rayner, Steve Woods or Roscoe Dsane weaken or dissolve the general resolve and will to win of the squad as a whole and thus send my job down the toilet! |
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Post by Dave on Apr 27, 2009 19:43:22 GMT
Merse you be disrespectful to little Dave R? who would believe such a thing possible  Yes this last year I have learned so much about football clubs and how they need to be run. Most has come about because of this forum and while I feel a little information can be dangerous, I do feel I have enough now to make informed judgments on just how a football manager who wants to be successful, has to be. |
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Post by Dave on Apr 28, 2009 9:01:45 GMT
Reading all the views I come to the conclusion that the fact that we are in the play-offs is the main reason not too many have used the departure of Dsane as a stick to beat Buckle with.
Dsane had thrown his toys out the pram earlier in the season, was told he could leave, but after calming down and considering his position, he choose to knuckle down and change his attitude and play his part in the team.
The suggestion is it was he who as played up again and possibly ripped up his contract, not that it had long to go as it was up at the end of the season.
I think most fans realize that this is such an important part of our season, we are once again in touching distance of regaining our league status and nothing else really matters and nothing must be allowed to happen that could derail the real chance we have, of getting out of this BSP league.
The only thing that upsets me a little is the fact that should we be the team who lifts the trophy at Wembley, Dsane will not be a part of the celebrations, will not be taking his place on the Victory Bus tour around the Bay, that surely would happen.
Nor will Steve Woods and both Dsane and Woods has played a part in our season and in an ideal world they would take their place on the tour bus, that is if we win the final.
I really don't think fans would have the time or even care about any sentiment for players who have played a part in the season, but are no longer here, while they waited for the victory bus to arrive at the town hall.
I do not think the fans will miss their faces on the bus, instead will just be cheering their heroes and celebrating what would be a great day in our history, TUFC back where they belong in the football league.
One reason will be that fans will know that Woods and Dsane played a big part by their actions in not being on any bus, or running around Wembley and the great feelings that would bring and the lasting memories they could tell their grandchildren.
You can argue and ask if things could have been done differently, a better way found to resolve any problems, who knows the answer to that, we don't and we have to believe and except that the good of the team and club have been put first and foremost.
If this is our season and we won at Wembley and then had our victory parade through the streets of Torbay, I for one will take a moment to think about the players who were not on the bus and quietly thank them for the part they did play.
It would be different to how I felt the last time such an event happened, on that bus three young men were missing, ones who may not have played a major role in us getting promotion, but when they were asked to play in some parts during the season, they stepped up to the mark and played their part to the best of their ability.
Jimmy Benefield, Kevin Wills and you will have to help me with the third one( its called getting old ;D) three players who you felt would be released as we were going to be playing in league one and they were not really good enough you felt.
It was the timing that mad me angry, the victory parade was a matter of days after our final game, Bateson on some cruise and it could have only be Leroy who told the trio that they were being released.
Why could it not have waited just a few more days, let them be part of the big day back in the Bay, I should add they I believe they took the decision not to be on the bus with the rest of the players. You may understand why they did not, angry and disappointed they would have been for sure, but I still state even if they had been pressing for an answer, then they should have been told it will be discussed after the parade.
Maybe I'm just a sentimental fool and need to toughen up and not let such events effect me the way I let them, but I understand disappointment and have always felt other peoples pain. Its why I always have the time to help others and be there when they need someone.
So fingers crossed and lets hope that this season will end in tears of joy and not the sorrow of the last two seasons and if it does and that tour bus is driving past you, look up and spare a thought for those who helped in our victory season and sadly are not there to enjoy the icing on the cake.
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Post by papalazarou on Apr 28, 2009 9:19:02 GMT
"Dunfield" I think you will find it was Benefield old man!
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Post by Dave on Apr 28, 2009 9:24:16 GMT
"Dunfield" I think you will find it was Benefield old man! Yes you are correct, it was just a test and you passed young man well thats my story and I'm sticking to it I have now corrected it in my post |
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Post by Fonda on Apr 28, 2009 14:47:12 GMT
Was Joe Broad the final member of the trio you mention Dave?
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Post by Dave on Apr 28, 2009 14:52:02 GMT
Was Joe Broad the final member of the trio you mention Dave? Thanks Shane I'm sure it was he, so many players over the years to remember and all the time the brain cells dieing ;D |
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Post by chelstongull on Apr 29, 2009 14:36:36 GMT
Yemi Odubade has been released by Oxford.
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Post by stuartB on Apr 29, 2009 20:37:57 GMT
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Post by rattz on Apr 29, 2009 20:57:57 GMT
Yemi Odubade has been released by Oxford. Reading their fans forum that signing isn't a route we should be going down. He's got an attitude problem, doesn't listen to the manager and can't pass or keep hold of the ball. There are rumours on there though that Matthew "Judas" Green maybe returning to them (Only referring to him how the Oxford fans do). There's also a rumour that their taking a look at a Micheal Brough... can't work out where I've heard that name before. Salisbury was it? ;D |
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