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Post by rollocks on Apr 9, 2009 14:09:28 GMT
i'm going for those who played for the Gulls in or around their prime, ie not Chris Waddle, Tony Currie etc!
1. Kenny Allen
2. Steve Tully
3. Derek Hall
4. David Cole
5. Richard Bourne
6. Brian Healy
7. Alex Russell
8. Jason Fowler
9. Rodney Jack
10. Jamie Ward
11. Lee Sharpe
I struggled with the defence but that's no surprise...
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Post by petejones on Apr 9, 2009 14:57:57 GMT
i'm going for those who played for the Gulls in or around their prime, ie not Chris Waddle, Tony Currie etc! 1. Kenny Allen 2. Steve Tully 3. Derek Hall 4. David Cole 5. Richard Bourne 6. Brian Healy 7. Alex Russell 8. Jason Fowler 9. Rodney Jack 10. Jamie Ward 11. Lee Sharpe I struggled with the defence but that's no surprise... jamie ward ahead of davey graham? tully? healy? you must be havin' a giraffe! |
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Post by Mark L on Apr 9, 2009 15:33:21 GMT
Oooh, just quickly...
1. Neville Southall
2. Brian McGlinchey
3. Don O'Riordan
4. Darren Moore
5. Wes Saunders
6. Alex Russell
7. Gregory Goodridge
8. Mark Loram
9. Dave Caldwell
10. David Graham
11. Kevin Hill
Subs: Gareth Howells, Rodney Jack, Tim Sills, Jimmy Smith, Bryn the Dog
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Post by petef on Apr 9, 2009 17:10:29 GMT
A real mix of past players and one that I reckon would be a match for any team.
Jon Turner
Kenny Sandercock
Matt Elliot
Jimmy Dunne
Andy Gurney
Alex Russell
Tommy Mitchinson
Sean Joyce
Lee Sharpe
Robin Stubbs
Rodney Jack
Subs Dave Caldwell Jason Fowler Tim Sills Darren Moore Mike Mahoney
So many great players selecting a squad of 30 would be more appropriate
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Post by aussie on Apr 9, 2009 18:35:43 GMT
What about The Dude guys?
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Post by stewart on Apr 9, 2009 21:02:49 GMT
It's a pity that none of you were fortunate enough to have been around in the Sixties, otherwise you would have been unable to avoid including Robin Stubbs, Terry Adlington, Colin Bettany, John Smith, John Bond and perhaps one or two others from that era.
It's not your fault that you were born too late to witness the abilities of these players, all of whom can truly be described as legends.
It's just that, when compared with these players, some of your selections are laughable, and this type of exercise can only properly be attempted by people who have been supporters during most of the post-war period. No offence meant, however.
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Post by merse on Apr 10, 2009 2:26:20 GMT
It's a pity that none of you were fortunate enough to have been around in the Sixties, otherwise you would have been unable to avoid including Robin Stubbs, Terry Adlington, Colin Bettany, John Smith, John Bond and perhaps one or two others from that era. It's not your fault that you were born too late to witness the abilities of these players, all of whom can truly be described as legends. It's just that, when compared with these players, some of your selections are laughable, and this type of exercise can only properly be attempted by people who have been supporters during most of the post-war period. No offence meant, however.  As you would expect of me, I can only echo those comments whilst adding and emphasizing the point I made the other week about Steve Woods......................"legend"? "greatest"? Wouldn't have made even the Plainmoor Western League team in the sixties and nowhere near any top ten I could think of in his position pal! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 8:31:05 GMT
I won't spoil anybody's fun - because it's a good thread which should continue - but I find this one difficult because I can't help making a distinction in my own mind between the idea of the Best Ever XI I've Seen and the Greatest Team of All Time. Even with well over forty years under my belt, the two resulting line-ups - without even thinking about who they would include - would be poles apart.
In terms of the players you've seen it does, of course, depend on how long you've been around and - I'd contend - whether you've watched the club throughout that time. I also think the process is influenced by how your view of football -and footballers - shifts across a lifetime. I'm sure I looked at the game in a very different way in my teens compared to my twenties, thirties, forties, etc. There have been times when I've been more of a harsh critic; other times when I've been more laid back. There's also been stages when I've appreciated a certain type of player more - or less - than another. As a young supporter, for instance, I reckon I'd noticed goal scorers - and flair players - far more than strong defenders and dependable midfielders. And so on and so on.
In my case there were players - such as Adlington, Bettany and Northcott - that I only watched as a 8/9/10 year old. I could claim them in my team but I honestly don't think l was old enough to make a judgement. I'm better-placed to make an assessment of the 1966-1970 generation of Torquay players but, in some cases, I can still hear my long-departed father telling me how he didn't rate so-and-so or so-and-so. I tell you - if there had been internet meassage boards in the late 1960s - old Lummaton Downs would have been notorious! I'd argue there's a lot to thank my father for in getting me interested in watching football at Plainmoor - and elsewhere - but some of his opinions really did cloud my judgements in those teenage years. Was Robin Stubbs really as lazy and useless as my dad told me every week?
The Greatest Ever XI tempts me but that, of course, becomes a mixture of statistics, hearsay, background knowledge and your own personal memory. You only have to go back a half-generation before Stewart and Merse's observations to bring in the names of Don Mills, Sam Collins and Ron Shaw. I instinctively feel they should be in the team but who am I to say?
And - should you ever sit next to Jon at a carvery - you'll come home realising the merits of Albert Hutchinson, our top man in the 1930s....
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Post by stewart on Apr 10, 2009 14:29:59 GMT
I won't spoil anybody's fun - because it's a good thread which should continue - but I find this one difficult because I can't help making a distinction in my own mind between the idea of the Best Ever XI I've Seen and the Greatest Team of All Time. Even with well over forty years under my belt, the two resulting line-ups - without even thinking about who they would include - would be poles apart. In terms of the players you've seen it does, of course, depend on how long you've been around and - I'd contend - whether you've watched the club throughout that time. I also think the process is influenced by how your view of football -and footballers - shifts across a lifetime. I'm sure I looked at the game in a very different way in my teens compared to my twenties, thirties, forties, etc. There have been times when I've been more of a harsh critic; other times when I've been more laid back. There's also been stages when I've appreciated a certain type of player more - or less - than another. As a young supporter, for instance, I reckon I'd noticed goal scorers - and flair players - far more than strong defenders and dependable midfielders. And so on and so on. In my case there were players - such as Adlington, Bettany and Northcott - that I only watched as a 8/9/10 year old. I could claim them in my team but I honestly don't think l was old enough to make a judgement. I'm better-placed to make an assessment of the 1966-1970 generation of Torquay players but, in some cases, I can still hear my long-departed father telling me how he didn't rate so-and-so or so-and-so. I tell you - if there had been internet meassage boards in the late 1960s - old Lummaton Downs would have been notorious! I'd argue there's a lot to thank my father for in getting me interested in watching football at Plainmoor - and elsewhere - but some of his opinions really did cloud my judgements in those teenage years. Was Robin Stubbs really as lazy and useless as my dad told me every week? The Greatest Ever XI tempts me but that, of course, becomes a mixture of statistics, hearsay, background knowledge and your own personal memory. You only have to go back a half-generation before Stewart and Merse's observations to bring in the names of Don Mills, Sam Collins and Ron Shaw. I instinctively feel they should be in the team but who am I to say? And - should you ever sit next to Jon at a carvery - you'll come home realising the merits of Albert Hutchinson, our top man in the 1930s.... Having attended my first match at Plainmoor in October 1954, I did in fact see Shaw, Collins, Mills, Dennis Lewis, etc. on many occasions. However, great players though they were in that era, football then was so different that in my own mind it is difficult to reconcile it to what we saw on the same ground ten years later. It was the era of the old cliche "heavy boots and balls", but the significant thing to me is that tight marking and defensive tactics were almost unheard of. Consequently many of the goals which Sammy Collins scored came when there was no opponent within five yards of him. This is not to decry his amazing accuracy in putting away so many chances so clinically. A comparison of the team photographs of 1954/55 and the promotion year 1959/60 is indicative of how quickly the game changed in those few years. Players were beginning to look more like young athletes rather than ageing, bandy-legged war-horses, their kit was already more modern-looking, and on the pitch it was obvious that tactics and formations were beginning to occupy Eric Webber's mind. For me, the star of that team was the rampaging right-winger Larry Baxter, whose pin-point crosses set up so many goals for Tom Northcott and Graham Bond. Moving on a few years to the mid to late sixties, we now saw the revolution accomplished and the emergence of the greatest and most exciting and skilfull team in the club's history. Every position was filled by a really top-class player. Players like John Bond and John Smith came from big clubs to finish out their careers, an aspect of the game which is now consigned to the past owing to importance of money and the existence of grossly inflated salaries. And what a catch in Robin Stubbs, whose presence and sublime skill and reading of a game seemed to lift both club and supporters to heights we had never previously dreamed of. His influence on the advance and reputation of Torquay United should never be underestimated. Plainmoor has never seen a team as good as that in the past 40 years and never will again, because we can never again sign players like Bond and Smith, and players with one tenth of the ability and charisma of Stubbs have frequently turned their noses up at the club. The criterion for selecting so-called legends for younger fans now seems to be either effort or loyalty, and it is true that players like Steve Cooper, Dave Caldwell and Kevin Hill have rightly endeared themselves to supporters in the past few decades for possessing those attributes. However, when it comes to selecting an all-time team to represent Torquay United, you would need to start with the late-sixties team and possibly include one or two players from the meantime, although I'm struggling to think of any good enough, and they would probably have to sit on the bench. Apologies for this ramble, which has admittedly not responded to the original thread topic and probably also belongs in the new History Room. 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Post by mattgulls on Apr 10, 2009 15:15:17 GMT
Even if one was unfortunate enough to be too young to have seen many of the greats from era's gone by, the inclusion of Steve Tully (whether it be a list based on the biggest legends/names/or greatest talent) is surely a wind up....  |
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Post by merse on Apr 10, 2009 15:27:26 GMT
Players were beginning to look more like young athletes rather than ageing, bandy-legged war-horses, their kit was already more modern-looking, and on the pitch it was obvious that tactics and formations were beginning to occupy Eric Webber's mind. I first watched the Gulls fifty years ago this season and the overriding picture that sticks in my mind is of the shiny reflective shorts that the team wore, exactly like boxing shorts. They had been introduced to maximise the dramatic effect of the new fangled floodlights, and once I had seen them in a floodlit Plainmoor fixture, I was hooked. Me and my little mates used to watch the games frrm the boys benches inside the Enclosure fence right by the touchline, and Larry Baxter was my first hero as he had a habit of ruffling our hair as he stood back to take a throw in and we all thought that was brilliant..................as brilliant as the Brylcreme on his hair! ;D |
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Post by crooky on Apr 10, 2009 15:30:30 GMT
1 - NEVILLE SOUTHALL
2 - JIM MCNICHOL
3 - TOM KELLY
4 - ALEX RUSSELL
5 - DARREN MOORE
6 - WES SAUNDERS
7 - CHRIS HARGREAVES
8 - GREG GOODRIDGE
9 - PAUL DOBSON
10-DAVID GRAHAM
11-RODNEY JACK
SUBS - KEN VEYSEY- LEE SHARPE- MARK LORAM- WAYNE THOMAS- ALAN PIKE
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Post by merse on Apr 10, 2009 16:07:07 GMT
I'm really gutted that you omitted me in favour of Rodders Crooky ~ and then you wouldn't have had to include TB1  on the bench ;D Trouble is mate, when he reads this he will actually believe you are serious! 
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Post by Dave on Apr 10, 2009 16:22:23 GMT
Even if one was unfortunate enough to be too young to have seen many of the greats from era's gone by, the inclusion of Steve Tully (whether it be a list based on the biggest legends/names/or greatest talent) is surely a wind up.... The member is according to his details he put in the forum 109 years old, so I would have thought he could have gone back a bit further. I have sent him a PM about the incorrect age used on the forum as it does need to be correct  |
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Post by Budleigh on Apr 10, 2009 16:59:01 GMT
Lucky were not on the 'other site' or else the majority would've had Matt Hockley, Steve Woods, Chris Zebrowski, Tim Sills, Chris Todd, Kevin Hill, David Graham and Martin Phillips, all 'legends' . They would've struggled with a goalkeeper but probably gone for Simon Rayner over Bevan as he was 'harshly treated' by Buckle and if he'd stayed would've become 'a legend'. As for the manager surely they would've chosen 'the legend' that is Leroy Rosenior as they recall him getting us promotion just as they were coming out of nappies!
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