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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2009 19:17:40 GMT
Merse no one is seriously suggesting that woods be retained at the expense of Ellis and Robertson, Hodges and Todd, everyone knows Woods is out of contract at the end of the season and most expect that cuts may need to be made next season.
Your argument is very weak when you state discloses the reasons for his unwillingness to continue with these players in his squad and maybe then renders them "unemployable" to prospective employers?
I would have thought clearing him out from the squad in the way it has been done, will do far more harm to Woods chances of finding another club, because any manager would look at the situation and would want to be asking his own questions as to why Woods can't see out his contract at the club.
Surely Woods staying in the shop window would give the player the very best chance of finding a club? I know you do not like Woods but how can he be such a big part of the team so far this season and now is deemed no longer good enough and how come Bucks has not wanted to even have Ellis on the bench, yet now feels he is the better out of him and Woods to get us promoted.
Yes Ellis is the future and is the one to retain for next season, but sorry we are still in this season and Woods was our best defender in my view and moving him out at this stage of the season defies all logic.
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Post by jerry on Mar 16, 2009 19:26:02 GMT
He'll probably find this a bit of a shock, but I'm in complete agreement with Fonda on this one.
Can't for the life of me see any reason to pay up his contract, what possible benefit can that be to either party?
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Post by Fonda on Mar 16, 2009 19:29:38 GMT
He'll probably find this a bit of a shock, but I'm in complete agreement with Fonda on this one. Can't for the life of me see any reason to pay up his contract, what possible benefit can that be to either party?  Well, it had to happen one day! ;D |
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Post by tufc01 on Mar 16, 2009 19:32:15 GMT
Its perfectly true that there are no sentiments in football and tough decisions have to be made but this is just one more big balls up of a public relations exercise that has left a sour taste. [glow=,2,300]Stecve Woods should be given the opportunity to say his farewells to the supporters [/glow] It seems to me, reading posts on here and the beatlesesque hysteria in the comments section of the HE, that most people appear to be most pissed of that Woods wasn't able to wave goodbye? 2 issues with that; First, if people are more concerned with him waving good bye, then obviously the decision by Paul Buckle must be seen as a sound decision. Secondly, all this claptrap about allowing Woods to wave goodbye to his adoring fans, please. I made a point in a post on here earlier in the season that Woods is ALWAYS the first down the tunnel at the end of the game, he NEVER used to come over to the pop side or to the away end when we were playing away or sign autographs by the side of the pitch. He didn't give the fans the light of day, so all this stuff about not being able to wave goodbye doesn't wash with me. Yes, respect to him for the last 8 years & however many games, but if he wasn't so up himself then maybe this would not have happened. Like Merse says if he wants to wave goodbye, let him do the Half Time draw. About the decision to release him now or whenever? I don't particularly care one way or the other, promotion is and always has been our priority, if we fail then that is the time to start the bleating and finger pointing, until then back the manager to manage. Come on guys, isn't this just another excuse to have a go at Paul Buckle. |
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Post by Fonda on Mar 16, 2009 19:36:17 GMT
Its perfectly true that there are no sentiments in football and tough decisions have to be made but this is just one more big balls up of a public relations exercise that has left a sour taste. [glow=,2,300]Stecve Woods should be given the opportunity to say his farewells to the supporters [/glow] It seems to me, reading posts on here and the beatlesesque hysteria in the comments section of the HE, that most people appear to be most pissed of that Woods wasn't able to wave goodbye? 2 issues with that; First, if people are more concerned with him waving good bye, then obviously the decision by Paul Buckle must be seen as a sound decision. Secondly, all this claptrap about allowing Woods to wave goodbye to his adoring fans, please. I made a point in a post on here earlier in the season that Woods is ALWAYS the first down the tunnel at the end of the game, he NEVER used to come over to the pop side or to the away end when we were playing away or sign autographs by the side of the pitch. He didn't give the fans the light of day, so all this stuff about not being able to wave goodbye doesn't wash with me. Yes, respect to him for the last 8 years & however many games, but if he wasn't so up himself then maybe this would not have happened. Like Merse says if he wants to wave goodbye, let him do the Half Time draw. About the decision to release him now or whenever? I don't particularly care one way or the other, promotion is and always has been our priority, if we fail then that is the time to start the bleating and finger pointing, until then back the manager to manage. Come on guys, isn't this just another excuse to have a go at Paul Buckle. But just as it 'isn't an excuse to have a go at Paul Buckle' it shouldn't be an opportunity for a charcter assasination on Woodsie either i'd have thought. I thnik that description is somewhat harsh on a player that's been an excellent servant to our club - through good times and bad. |
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 16, 2009 19:59:01 GMT
I can see Bucks view that Woodsie would not play a part next season and tell him now but unless there is something going on we no nothing about I cannot see the reason to release him immediately.
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2009 20:04:25 GMT
tufc01 you say reading posts on here and the beatlesesque hysteria in the comments section of the HE, that most people appear to be most pissed of that Woods wasn't able to wave goodbye?
may I suggest you take the time and read ALL the views again, yes many feel they would have liked to say goodbye to Steve in the way it should happen for a player who has served his club for eight seasons and what an insult to a good player and one who has served the club you support, to say he is only worth a half time draw, so glad I do not work for you mate. but did you miss the real main points?
Woods wanted to stay and train and still play his part in our season, one he has already played a big part in.
Why would it just be a chance to knock the manager, sorry but he is not god and we do not have to agree with all his decision's, yes because he makes them they stand, but that still does necessary make them right.
Some fans did not agree he got things wrong in the play-off games, sorry but I feel he did and why must fans not be allowed to have those views.
If Bucks takes the team up this season, that still will not mean that removing Woods was the correct decision, as we would not know if we would have still gone up with him still at the club. I will tell you this for nothing, all those who think its just fine the way Woods seems to have been treated, will be the first ones shouting off their mouths if we do not go up and mistakes at the back end up the reason why.
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Post by andygulls on Mar 16, 2009 20:12:19 GMT
But just as it 'isn't an excuse to have a go at Paul Buckle' it shouldn't be an opportunity for a character assassination on Woodsie either I'd have thought. I think that description is somewhat harsh on a player that's been an excellent servant to our club - through good times and bad. I do dislike the term "servant" for he is of course being reasonably well paid to play a game. Perhaps he may have been one of our more expensive squad members in recent years. I have always thought that Woods was overrated although I would agree that he has played better than I expected this season. He has hardly been a talisman, for in 4 of the 8 seasons he has been at the club we have finished 18th or below and collected 52 points or less. 1 promotion and 2 relegations. He is not a goalscoring threat from set pieces with only 11 goals in his 240(7) appearances. Steve Woods has had his day, the manager has made his decision, now can we please move on. |
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Post by jerry on Mar 16, 2009 20:22:14 GMT
I have always thought that Woods was overrated although I would agree that he has played better than I expected this season. He has hardly been a talisman, for in 4 of the 8 seasons he has been at the club we have finished 18th or below and collected 52 points or less. 1 promotion and 2 relegations. He is not a goalscoring threat from set pieces with only 11 goals in his 240(7) appearances. Steve Woods has had his day, the manager has made his decision, now can we please move on. I think you are missing the point. I don't think anyone is arguing with the decision to not offer him a new contract. For the record, I've never really rated him as a player and think his performances this season have been overstated (maybe because they contrast so sharply with his abjectness in recent seasons!). What is puzzling though is that he has been told he will play no further part this season after being first choice up until now. Something doesn't add up. |
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Post by merse on Mar 16, 2009 20:31:08 GMT
If Bucks takes the team up this season, that still will not mean that removing Woods was the correct decision,  How can YOU judge it to be a correct or incorrect decision? You are not in possession of the facts. There are plenty of players in the past who have been made aware they are playing out their final contract at the club who have not been shunted out forthwith, so perhaps you should consider just why the manager feels it necessary to act in this way with Woods. Is it because he knows that the player concerned cannot be relied upon to act in a fully professional way or in the full interests of the squad ethic during training out of the public eye? Whether that is the reason or there is another one, he obviously doesn't feel it pertinent to share it with the public at large; and why should he? It matters not whether or not I like a player when I make comment on his worth to the squad. I certainly like Kevin Hill, maintain contact with him and catch up with him whenever possible, but it doesn't lead me to charge to his "defence" on here over his departure last season, but it is significant that HE wasn't informed he was to leave forthwith in similar circumstances and maybe you should ask yourself just why that was too. Maybe there is a financial saving to be made which is to be utilised on a loan signing coming in, who knows? Whatever the reason, the manager's decision is good enough for me because I don't expect him to go public on the ins and outs of a duck's arse. It's good enough for me because he has a track record of managing OUR club competently and it's good enough for me because I recognise that in a professional football club, the interests of the club come way above the interests of any individual. |
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Post by chrish on Mar 16, 2009 20:40:15 GMT
Thank christ it was Steve Woods being released and not Tim Sills. Otherwise we would have 30 pages of speculation instead of a mere 9.
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2009 20:42:08 GMT
Seeing you put your points so nicely Merse, I think there could be some truth in what you say, but I do suggest you have another chat with kev  |
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Post by merse on Mar 16, 2009 20:55:48 GMT
Seeing you put your points so nicely Merse, I think there could be some truth in what you say, but I do suggest you have another chat with kev I'm perfectly aware of Kev's circumstances, but they are NOT for public consumption and only for those who HE chooses to discuss them with. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2009 21:01:05 GMT
Seeing you put your points so nicely Merse, I think there could be some truth in what you say, but I do suggest you have another chat with kev I'm perfectly aware of Kev's circumstances, but they are NOT for public consumption and only for those who HE chooses to discuss them with. Yes I fully agree merse, but as you do know, you will also have the answer why HE wasn't informed he was to leave forthwith in similar circumstances |
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Post by ali on Mar 16, 2009 21:10:07 GMT
There has been an awful lot of debate on the departure of Woodsie and I for one am sorry to see him go before the end of the season.
However I do agree with Merse on this one, we do not know the facts. Although we would all love our players to be 'nice people as well as good players' we do not know unless we know them personally if you see what I mean.
How do we know that Steve quotes in the Herald Express are true or they could be 'sour grapes'. I hope not but it is possible, I would hope that if Steve was told his contract was up at the end of the season he would want to play for Torquay to the end of the season or maybe not?
It could be ....................... a number of reasons that this has happened and I do not think the supporters are aware of all the facts, rightly so in my opinion.
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Well, it had to happen one day! ;D
