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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2009 0:00:02 GMT
BudleighGull most of your post was not ridiculous, just the part were you said the the board would end up running around in circles etc, the point I was making was the board should have the brains to be able to sort out the sensible views from the stupid ones.
I'm sorry to hear what has happened in the Gulls Nest, I hate thief's and would be happy to see things going back to when we chopped their hands off.
Chris Hayes, not sure why you quoted my reply to Pickey to add you view?, but anyway everything I was told was put on the forum, nothing left out and no hidden agenda and nothing done to try and harm the club, everything I put in my posts was known by many TUFC fans already.
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Post by rattz on Mar 15, 2009 1:45:10 GMT
Well, when I heard the interview on Radio Devon today, I'm certain before the main parts of the interview already quoted that Buckle said the "Sacking of Steve Woods".
I personally don't think he was being disrespectful, just him being naive - But It's a feeling that I've held about Buckle for a long time.
I don't know why he felt the need to comment in his interview about woods, although it has been common knowledge for the last few days - you just don't simply refer to it as a "Sacking". If your sacked, you are escorted of the premises of where you work and receive no further pay.
I'm no fan of Woods, but his Buckle's comments today were ill thoughtout.
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Post by merse on Mar 15, 2009 8:36:54 GMT
I'm sorry to hear what has happened in the Gulls Nest, I hate thief's and would be happy to see things going back to when we chopped their hands off. Hmmn, and I'd guess you'd store the removed appendage in a freezer just in case it was later proved there had been a miscarriage of justice. There's a case just finished in the Court of Appeal where DNA evidence has proved that a man who has served thirty years inside for murder was in fact innocent....................he's going to have enough problems adjusting to outside life after spending half of his life in gaol ~ bloody good job he hadn't been executed then! Stick to putting people in the village stocks if you really yearn for capital punishment Dave, or in your case - the ducking stool !
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Post by merse on Mar 15, 2009 8:53:24 GMT
Reading both Buck's comments and Hargreaves' blog is really concerning. The spirit amongst the team looked great today - plenty of helping each other along - but Hargreaves didn't seem his usual self on the pitch. I do find it unsettling that something seems to be going-on behind the scenes that perhaps represent a big change to what we potentially will see take to the pitch in TUFC colours next season. I thought that Buck's comments after the game came-across as entirely reasonable. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt him. I can only hope that some of the other players that have been broken bad news are deemed suitable to carry-on for the remainder of the season giving 100% (not that I'm suggesting that Woods wouldn't have). I must say I share your concern reading Greavsie's latest blog. Let's hope the "lots going on" wholly refers to the Steve Woods situation and nothing more. Always a challenging and definitive stage of the season with these contractual matters HAVING to be dealt with and it only goes to underline how most supporters just don't have a clue as to the demands and requirements of being a club manager in the professional game.
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2009 9:31:48 GMT
There will be times when someone is found guilty when they really were Innocent, I'm sure some Innocent people have been hanged, got fried in the electric chair, but it is the lack or proper punishments that will act as deterrents that is responsible for this lawless country we now live in.
We should have the death penalty brought back, I can think on many killings and some involving children being abused and killed, that I would have hanged the murder myself.
To much PC and human rights nonsense has seen the very fabric of our society destroyed, so many values have been lost and so many who committed crimes go unpunished or get very soft sentences, that serve no purpose as they do not act in any way to make offenders think twice the next time the want to rob or cause someone some injury.
Stopping teachers canning at schools was a big mistake, discipline needs to be taught from an early age, everyone needs to know what is right from wrong and that crossing the line punishment awaits.
There was a time when milkmen would just walk into the homes of old folks to collect their milk money, the doors to the house unlocked and the money left on the sideboard, today they need to have great big chains on their front doors and its because we no longer punish the scum that think its just fine to rob or rape, or molest children, or even kill another person, with proper hard punishments, that crime is so much worse these days.
Its time to stop being soft, time to let those who feel its OK to destroy other peoples life's by their actions, that they will no longer get away with it, take a life and you will lose your own.I would never want to see an Innocent person hanged, but if one was and we hanged 99 murders then its a price that would have to be paid.
Don't worry, I would not cut of their hands to start with, first offense just one finger and then two for the second, they would learn in the end,if not they end up with no fingers and that will stop them as they would not be able to pick things up.
Lets get back to decent values and stop thinking we have to rehabilitate the villains, it does not work, they are laughing at us and the only way to wipe those smiles off their smug faces to treat them the way they deserved to be treated and that is like the scum they are.
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2009 10:04:33 GMT
This is my last post on this thread, but I do feel some things need to be said I have had a few people contact me who are close to the club, they feel that Woods has been very badly treated and the statement put on .com by Buckle has really angered them.
They have likened it to the way Hill was treated last season and its only because Kev is not the sort of person who would go public on what happened to him, that those who say they know, feel once again Bucks was made to look the good guy in all of this.
I have not talked to Hill or Woods, do not know what their own views are, but I do know the people who have talked to me were very angry and if everything was the way it is being put to us, then just why are they so angry.
In a few weeks all this will be forgotten and we would have moved on and hopefully just be talking about going up etc, but as someone who firmly believes in people being treated properly and the right things done by them, I hope that Woods has been treated fairly and in a proper manner, some may not like him as a player, but he has been a good servant and has been very loyal to our club.
My own view is I fail to understand why he could not have just carried on at the club while he looked for a new club to join, I do not buy this Woods is a disruptive argument. I was told that is what he wanted to do and then we could have had a proper farewell Woods game. Football does not need to live in a dog eat dog world, does not need to forget that there is a right way and a wrong way to treat players and even fans for that matter.
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Post by longeatongull on Mar 15, 2009 12:15:29 GMT
Hi all---and Dave R in particular, As you are aware I am regular reader and only post now and again. I do understand that you dont intend replying---but I have been staggered with your reaction ref Steve Woods. I also am amazed that fellow supporters pm you regarding this matter---why dont they post on here cos as you often say its all about different opinions. Just feel in all these matters we have to support the regime and keep the faith.....that is what supporting is all about. Having said that for the rest of the season if you keep away and we win 4-0 ....we will all be happy Keep the faith ....we are on the march!!!!! Cheers
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 15, 2009 13:05:31 GMT
A PS regarding the 'lost' shirt.... Although it may never be seen again I believe that a young lad who took a liking to it and was allowed to put it on by one of my friends at the game will now cherish it. I was elsewhere at the time but when my friend went to get it returned the young lad got very agitated and upset and the friend didn't have the heart to take it back off him. So he put the youngsters shirt into my bag, effectively doing a swap, with the intention of explaining the situation to me later but what with the all the fun we were having this wasn't until a phone call first thing this morning. I'm happy that it has gone to a good home and will make someone happy who I know deserves it. There's a little more to the story but this is all i'll put on here.
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2009 13:20:37 GMT
Hi all---and Dave R in particular, As you are aware I am regular reader and only post now and again. I do understand that you dont intend replying---but I have been staggered with your reaction ref Steve Woods. I also am amazed that fellow supporters pm you regarding this matter---why dont they post on here cos as you often say its all about different opinions. Just feel in all these matters we have to support the regime and keep the faith.....that is what supporting is all about. Having said that for the rest of the season if you keep away and we win 4-0 ....we will all be happy Keep the faith ....we are on the march!!!!! Cheers Well seeing that you have targeted your post at me I will reply, many who do PM are in a position that as they are known at the club,have to be mindful of their relationship with the club. Why would you be staggered, if life is just about winning and having to stamp all over everyone else and with no thought for them or anyone else, sorry I would rather lose. In life there is always a right and wrong way to do things, if you are the sort who would be happy to walk all over other people just to get where you want, then you can slag me off all you want, at least I will have the satisfaction of knowing I'm a decent person who cares for others and would do the right thing by them. If it was the wish of people I stayed away from Plainmoor then so be it, my life has much more in it than a football team and if it was ever the case that the club where I have been to every game this season except two, was guilty of treating players in a disgusting way(I said if as I only know what is told to me and that is why I state that in my posts)then you can trust me when I say I will make up my own mind not to support such a club.
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Post by aussie on Mar 15, 2009 14:04:15 GMT
Dave it might be prudent to hear both sides of the story or at least wait till the truth outs its self before making such a rash descision, I think you have some very valid points about the way people are treated but they don`t count until we know for sure whats happened. I for one don`t want you to stay away mate!
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Post by rjdgull on Mar 15, 2009 14:55:18 GMT
Dave, I think every poster would wish you would stay away for the rest of the season if that would guarantee a win and scoring four goals in the process In respect of the Woods sitiuation I'm with Aussie on this one.
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Post by petef on Mar 15, 2009 15:53:25 GMT
I've read much about this Woodsy episode and without doubt the clubs hierarchy are in the wrong -not for releasing Steve, because that is a footballing and financial matter but for not informing the people and supporters in the correct way. As soon as the position with Woodsy was known there should have been a public statement on the official board as soon as Steve was personally informed of his position and none of this rumour mongering would have started in the first place. For information about the goings on within the club the so called official website is pretty poor unless you want to know Leroys and Lee Canoviles reaction to the Lincoln result in 2003! It seems to me that the people in charge have made a conscious decision to keep supporters in the dark over goings on inside the club and it's therefore inevitable the rumour mill will go into overdrive over controversial decisions such as this. Will we ever know what really happened ?- I don't think so somehow as I am certain Woodsy would be in breach of contract if he opens his gob on the matter and all we will get from the club is the official line from Buckle in a chance radio interview and there is still nothing on the official site about the matter which I believe is disrespectful to us and the player concerned.
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Post by merse on Mar 15, 2009 16:06:58 GMT
Why would you be staggered, if life is just about winning and having to stamp all over everyone else and with no thought for them or anyone else, sorry I would rather lose. In life there is always a right and wrong way to do things, if you are the sort who would be happy to walk all over other people just to get where you want, Oh OK then, let's keep a dissatisfied Woodsie on and off the treatment table for the rest of the season just so he can wave to the crowd and say bye bye. Then if we miss out on promotion we can have yet another poll and the usual suspects can jump on the manager's back and scream "this is a results driven business, results are everything - get rid of the manager!"Managers get players to play successfully whilst players often get managers the sack, if I were Paul Buckle I wouldn't sit idly by and indulge an aging and fading player who is in and out of the treatment room by accommodating him at the expense of a clutch of good young players with prospects.
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Post by longeatongull on Mar 15, 2009 16:15:16 GMT
Hi Dave Please take a "chill pill"!!==No one has said stay away or life is great if you trample over anyone. Lets just support the Board and Management, wait for the FACTS....and then comment. Come on deep breaths, keep up the good work and chill
Cheers for your time
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Post by aussie on Mar 15, 2009 16:42:21 GMT
Cheers RJD, I think thats the first time anyones really agreed with me. Must check my pulse!
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