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Post by Budleigh on Mar 3, 2009 17:58:23 GMT
Yea, strangely enough I enjoyed following Torquay in the mid-eighties, all the intrigue, the excitement of never knowing what was around the corner, the backs-to-the-wall games, getting along by the skin of our teeth... The 'will they, won't they' vote us out of the league, surviving on that last day the following year when automatic relegation came along...
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Post by aussie on Mar 3, 2009 18:59:44 GMT
Budleigh I love your passion mate, you tell em! And I`m not being sarcastic!
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 3, 2009 19:28:42 GMT
Thanks Aussie... I think we're lucky to have a local team at all; it may not be the biggest in the country, or the south-west, or indeed Devon! But we can go along and enjoy the excitement, the passion, the gossip, the friendships, the diverse opinions stirred up by our eleven men kicking a ball against another eleven men.
How many other instances, outside of the Milan, Paris, London catwalks, do you see the hue of a shade of a colour of yellow stir up such passionate debate?***
If you want never ending success, perfect bubble-gum football played to glory-hunting 'supporters' who can't identify with 'their' team because millions of indoctrinated others do then go and watch the 'other' United, but leave us alone to wallow, seeth, shout, swear, worry, fume and now-and-then glorify.
How many supporters of the 'big' clubs can honestly know the feeling I had when that fourth goal hit the back of the net against Yeovil in last years cup game? It would be the norm, expected, required from other teams, but for us it is the most wonderful feeling in the world. Would these 'glory boys' really know the pain as we watched City carve through our defence to destroy our dreams in the last ten minutes of the season? I bet there are many Chelsea 'supporters' who say they were devastated when Terry missed the penalty in the European cup final that ultimately cost them the trophy. Bet any money you like they didn't feel what we did... the hurt, the pain that only comes when you follow your own small home town team that's been in your blood for decades...
Let's remember we are just that, a small club with an enviable & passionate following, a solid board, a good management structure, an interesting history and above all a club with a great passion running through it.
*** In my humble opinion it's NOT yellow, or orange but GOLD!!
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Post by andygulls on Mar 3, 2009 19:30:07 GMT
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Post by midlandstufc on Mar 3, 2009 20:32:34 GMT
Er... I'm with Budleigh, Jerry and Merse on this, and Jon.
Still, sounds like an exciting game tonight. Carayol poor miss. Commentary quite good for a change. Welsh being a danger.
I always recount to the 'big' club fans up here that they don't know what it's like supporting a small club like ours. Many years of counting on being voted back in. An amazing afternoon of staying in the league when automatic relegation beckoned. Up - down! Then eventually down. It could of happened so much earlier. We are where we are. It's still our club, we still hope, we still get excited and disappointed.
We'll see what happens...
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Post by Rob on Mar 3, 2009 22:11:10 GMT
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The Gulls win again. But I'll leave the graphs to Andy. Totally agree with positive vibes on this thread. We've won twice as many as we've lost in the last 2 seasons. I have never known a similar period in our history.
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Post by chrish on Mar 4, 2009 12:19:23 GMT
Oh please. Did you manage to keep a straight face before complying such poppycock? "I prefer to watch with my own eyes". We'll forget about the "dellusional" Buckle post and the dodgy arithmetic shall we?  What exactly is your issue Chris? I admitted the term 'delusional' was overly harsh (and badly spelt i think!). Perhaps that post doesn't need to be referred to every time i make a subsequent one? Dodgy arithmetic? I'm not really sure why my posts deserve such scrutiny? I'm sure you could find erreors in other people's if you went to the same effort. Your posts don't receive any extra scrutiny, I can assure you. I read most people's posts with varying degrees of cynacism depending on what opinions people actually make which includes Merse's tales of yesteryear, Aussie's full blooded and shameless rants, Dave Shaw's absolute bollox, Dave R's "war and peace" length inner thoughts and the other erudite and balanced postings from everyone else. In this instance I found your comment a bit laughable as the Kettering post suggested that you based your opinion on PB's management style on bugger all apart from twisting comments made to a journalist after a match you didn't even watch. I stopped posting on the other site because there were too many posts of this nature and I got fed up of reading mindless speculation. Thats my issue. |
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Post by Fonda on Mar 4, 2009 12:57:19 GMT
What exactly is your issue Chris? I admitted the term 'delusional' was overly harsh (and badly spelt i think!). Perhaps that post doesn't need to be referred to every time i make a subsequent one? Dodgy arithmetic? I'm not really sure why my posts deserve such scrutiny? I'm sure you could find erreors in other people's if you went to the same effort. Your posts don't receive any extra scrutiny, I can assure you. I read most people's posts with varying degrees of cynacism depending on what opinions people actually make which includes Merse's tales of yesteryear, Aussie's full blooded and shameless rants, Dave Shaw's absolute bollox, Dave R's "war and peace" length inner thoughts and the other erudite and balanced postings from everyone else. In this instance I found your comment a bit laughable as the Kettering post suggested that you based your opinion on PB's management style on bugger all apart from twisting comments made to a journalist after a match you didn't even watch. I stopped posting on the other site because there were too many posts of this nature and I got fed up of reading mindless speculation. Thats my issue. Fair enough. But my comment on the Kettering game was made after listening to the commentary, and reading the reports of people that went. Perhaps they all lied? I should have considered that. I merely questioned what was likely to be gained by suggesting a poor performance was mere bad luck. I'd personally have felt short-changed by that comment, had i been able to get to the game. We had that misfortune, followed by the ref costing us points aganist FGR and the Weymouth issue (where the team they put out against everyone else was evidently more important than our own failure to beat them). I was wondering (out loud, for the purposes of a message board) how inspiring it is to focus on bad luck, misfortune and feeling sorry for ourselves, when there is still a prize to play for? It's just opinion at the end of the day. Perhaps public quotes such as these are a master-stroke i just don't 'get'. I'm happy enough to concede that might be the case and don't particularly want to keep going over the same point in every thread though, so perhaps we could leave it there (or at least take it back to the Kettering thread)? |
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Post by mattgulls on Mar 4, 2009 17:24:41 GMT
Debate is after all what this site is about, but it would be foolish to ignore the fact that Buckle still has much to prove. I agreed at the end of last season ( when in truth he did balls it up magnificently) that he should be allowed more time and was a rookie manager who was learning. However, the stats do not lie and show overall that form is getting worse. The fact we could have won/drew games is totally missing the point... This is worrying as the club has been run superbly and Buckle has had more support in the market than most in this league. Furthermore, the longer we continue to play in this league, the tougher it will be to get out of. It is a league of poor quality. That’s not to say it is easy to battle out of, but moreover, that with the squad/opportunities he’s had we should be more than capable as a club of doing so. It is also more than ridiculous to suggest that we are in a better position than last year. A guaranteed spot in the play-offs should have given us a chance to play with no pressure, rest players at the right time, build confidence and get fully prepared for the challenge ahead. Buckle again managed this poorly.
This year he has again not used the right time to rest certain individuals. He has made baffling tactical decisions throughout the season. He is under examination. We have a good set of games between now and the end of the season and this will be the real test. It is in the BIG, high pressure games where you most learn about a manager and these are the games which we continue to flop in. Maybe that’s why are home form is much less impressive than form away from home. Either way this is his true test. We will support the boys and we are in a good position now, but I need convincing that he is the man to do it for us. He does not seem to learn from mistakes and that is THE MOST important thing for a young manager.
COME ON YOU GULLS
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Post by chrish on Mar 4, 2009 19:11:17 GMT
Your posts don't receive any extra scrutiny, I can assure you. I read most people's posts with varying degrees of cynacism depending on what opinions people actually make which includes Merse's tales of yesteryear, Aussie's full blooded and shameless rants, Dave Shaw's absolute bollox, Dave R's "war and peace" length inner thoughts and the other erudite and balanced postings from everyone else. In this instance I found your comment a bit laughable as the Kettering post suggested that you based your opinion on PB's management style on bugger all apart from twisting comments made to a journalist after a match you didn't even watch. I stopped posting on the other site because there were too many posts of this nature and I got fed up of reading mindless speculation. Thats my issue. Fair enough. But my comment on the Kettering game was made after listening to the commentary, and reading the reports of people that went. Perhaps they all lied? I should have considered that. I merely questioned what was likely to be gained by suggesting a poor performance was mere bad luck. I'd personally have felt short-changed by that comment, had i been able to get to the game. We had that misfortune, followed by the ref costing us points aganist FGR and the Weymouth issue (where the team they put out against everyone else was evidently more important than our own failure to beat them). I was wondering (out loud, for the purposes of a message board) how inspiring it is to focus on bad luck, misfortune and feeling sorry for ourselves, when there is still a prize to play for? It's just opinion at the end of the day. Perhaps public quotes such as these are a master-stroke i just don't 'get'. I'm happy enough to concede that might be the case and don't particularly want to keep going over the same point in every thread though, so perhaps we could leave it there (or at least take it back to the Kettering thread)? Ok. Here is your quote from the Kettering thread. Is thia in any way accurate? I wasn't at the game, so can only guage opinion from the reports of those that were there and the radio commentary, but Bucks is beginning to sound dellusional! How do we expect to improve if we're not prepared to admit improvement is required? Burying our heads in the sand and insisting everything is ok isn't destined to work... Where in that quote does PB suggest it was "bad luck"? Ah I see the implied "bad luck" comes from the line "The players' effort deserved a lot more today than to come away from here with no points. I can't fault any of the players, the performance was there but we just didn't get the result today," does it? That's almost like taking facts and figures and then twisting them into what you want them to say isn't it? Damm these lies and pretty statistical diagrams!!! ;D Its all good healthy debate though. I just don't think PB is going to come out with quotes like Phil Brown does or make them sit down on the pitch in front of the away fans in order to get the message across. Don't forget that he also has a responsibility to give a positive slant on a poor performance in order to get as many people to come and watch the next home game. I'm 100% sure that he said what he needed to say in the dressing room after the game and on the training pitch. |
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Post by Fonda on Mar 4, 2009 19:33:18 GMT
I never suggested i wanted a public dressing-down of anyone. As i said when the Matt Green 'rumours' were circulating, i don't believe that kind of humiliation is likely to get a positive reaction.
It sounded to me (from the commentary and [lots of] second-hand reports that we didn't perform particularly well. Had i made the effort to get there, i personally wouldn't have wanted to hear the manager suggesting ' the performance was there' if i'd seen with my own eyes it wasn't.
As for what was said in the dressing room, we can only speculate. Suffice to say i hope it was different to what was said publically, and i'm sure it was. The last two performances have shown vast improvement so credit to him for that.
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Post by chrish on Mar 4, 2009 19:38:28 GMT
No, we didn't perform very well, but neither did they in the second half and we paid the price for still being on the team coach after 15 minutes. The penalty decision was a bit harsh and the ref was booed off by both sets of supporters both at half time and full time.
Nevermind, time to move on.
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Post by Fonda on Mar 4, 2009 19:42:01 GMT
No, we didn't perform very well, but neither did they in the second half and we paid the price for still being on the team coach after 15 minutes. The penalty decision was a bit harsh and the ref was booed off by both sets of supporters both at half time and full time. Nevermind, time to move on. Fair do's. And agreed. |
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Post by jmgull on Mar 4, 2009 20:07:17 GMT
Thanks Aussie... I think we're lucky to have a local team at all; it may not be the biggest in the country, or the south-west, or indeed Devon! But we can go along and enjoy the excitement, the passion, the gossip, the friendships, the diverse opinions stirred up by our eleven men kicking a ball against another eleven men. How many other instances, outside of the Milan, Paris, London catwalks, do you see the hue of a shade of a colour of yellow stir up such passionate debate?*** If you want never ending success, perfect bubble-gum football played to glory-hunting 'supporters' who can't identify with 'their' team because millions of indoctrinated others do then go and watch the 'other' United, but leave us alone to wallow, seeth, shout, swear, worry, fume and now-and-then glorify. How many supporters of the 'big' clubs can honestly know the feeling I had when that fourth goal hit the back of the net against Yeovil in last years cup game? It would be the norm, expected, required from other teams, but for us it is the most wonderful feeling in the world. Would these 'glory boys' really know the pain as we watched City carve through our defence to destroy our dreams in the last ten minutes of the season? I bet there are many Chelsea 'supporters' who say they were devastated when Terry missed the penalty in the European cup final that ultimately cost them the trophy. Bet any money you like they didn't feel what we did... the hurt, the pain that only comes when you follow your own small home town team that's been in your blood for decades... Let's remember we are just that, a small club with an enviable & passionate following, a solid board, a good management structure, an interesting history and above all a club with a great passion running through it. *** In my humble opinion it's NOT yellow, or orange but GOLD!! ....What a great post! |
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2009 20:11:35 GMT
You can always vote for it Justin |
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