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Post by Rob on Feb 7, 2009 22:42:59 GMT
With Wrexham winning at Lewes, we dropped down to 6th today. I mean. 6th. It's a Pub League for heaven's sake.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Feb 7, 2009 23:22:14 GMT
It's not really a huge concern for me at this stage of the season - especially when you look at the amount of of games that we have in hand - that indicates it's more of a "pub league" than anything!!! I'm confident that we will be back in the top 5 once we start to catch-up to the same number of games played.
Last season we were more or less nailed-on to get into the play-offs for all but a couple of weeks of the season - in fact we went-in to the end of the season playing all of the fringe players for a few games. What did we seem to learn from that? Not a lot, other than for the most part they were not good enough to get us promoted!
There seems to be a tighter pack chasing the play-off places this season (without checking the facts on that!!) and hopefully this level of competition will act as something to drive the rest of the team on right to the wire, rather than looking like they had hit the wall just a few matches too early. Last season I was happy enough to face any of the play-off teams, but Wrexham and Oxford have really started to raise the bar with their recent results.
I can't contemplate us failing to reach the play-offs, although I can accept that the chances once we do get there as being dependent on a number of variables - one of the huge ones being good fortune. Lest we forget the chances that we had against Exeter after we scored to make it 3-1 that would surely have finished things-off. That is the difference between success and failure.
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Post by Dave on Feb 8, 2009 10:00:35 GMT
ohtobeatplainmoor, you say I can't contemplate us failing to reach the play-offs failure to do so, will be seem by many fans as a complete disaster and you can be sure Bucks head will be called for as we will hear the same arguments, about all the resources he has had, over many managers before him.
My view has always been that until we can't win the league or reach the play-offs mathematically, then I will always keep alive the hopes and stay positive.I do think it is sometimes dangerous, to look at games in hand and who we have to play in our run up to the end of the season, my mother always said you can't count your chickens before they are hatched and how true is that.
I think we have all been guilty of believing that games in hands were points on the board and we have all seen in seasons past, that we have failed to win the points and the games in hand counted for nothing in the end. I would rather we were level in games played with all the other teams at the top, then we really would know where we are in the league and what we need to do.
It is still possible to win all the games in hand and beat Burton both home and away and the table would look so much better then, but as you say other teams around us and starting to hit good form and we now need to hit top gear ourselves. Lets hope our new striker can find the goals we are looking for and play his part in making the games in hand into real points on the board.
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Post by jimd on Feb 8, 2009 12:56:52 GMT
ohtobeatplainmoor, you say I can't contemplate us failing to reach the play-offs failure to do so, will be seem by many fans as a complete disaster and you can be sure Bucks head will be called for as we will hear the same arguments, about all the resources he has had, over many managers before him. If we dont reach the playoffs, I think we will easily by the way, the I will be calling for Bucks head because he will have failed miserably.
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Post by Budleigh on Feb 8, 2009 16:10:54 GMT
But he hasn't failed?! Why look to something that hasn't happened?
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Post by Rob on Feb 8, 2009 19:07:41 GMT
If I had to bet on it I'd say we'll make the play-off spots, but I wouldn't mind missing Wrexham in the semi-finals. That said, I do think McFarland will weave his magic at Burton and they will not be quite so hard to catch by early/mid-March.
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Post by andygulls on Feb 8, 2009 22:18:45 GMT
The run in will be, I think, exciting. We ought to qualify for the playoffs. If you look at our remaining games, set out in the first table (A) below, only 5 of them are against teams currently in the top 10 and 5 of them are against teams currently in the bottom 5. The average position of the team we have to face is just above 14th. With 19 to go if we can reproduce the form of our last 19 games, who knows what is possible? What we must avoid however is the last 19 game form of last season. Table B sets out the comparisons. It all starts (hopefully) on Tuesday. We could do with a good result and performance. Let us hope that we end his season riding a crest of a wave rather than the slump of 07/08 that still sticks in the minds of many. But look at the fixtures and the last 5 games will be huge
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Post by Dave on Feb 9, 2009 17:46:09 GMT
Thanks Andy a great chart and what it does show well, is how we dropped so many points in our last 19 games last season. If that was to be repeated this season, then we would miss out on a play off place for sure.
I do always worry about the games that are played against teams lower in the table than us, so many times teams lower down raise their game against a club higher up, likewise teams higher up the table often take winning for granted against lower teams and then end up losing the game.
While I do not think Bucks will let the team take any other team lightly, all wins will have to be earned out on the pitch no matter who we are playing. The last five games may well decide if we make the play offs or not, we will need to be in them anyway at the start of those five games in my view, as we may well drop some points in those games.
Burton could still slip up and so may others around us, we just need to try and win all our games and If we do then a play off spot will be the very least we get, I'm still not prepared yet to write us off as champions and until the mathematics says we can't I'll keep alive that hope as well.
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Post by stewart on Feb 10, 2009 18:00:29 GMT
All of tonight's other BSP matches have now been called off, so a win will move us from 6th back up to second.
It appears very tight but there is a great disparity in games played.
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Post by Dave on Feb 10, 2009 18:02:58 GMT
All of tonight's other BSP matches have now been called off, so a win will move us from 6th back up to second. It appears very tight but there is a great disparity in games played. Well that should be a great incentive for the team Stewart and I'm sure we will see a good win tonight.
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Post by stewart on Feb 11, 2009 18:14:13 GMT
As I see it, we are in quite a similar situation to last season, with an impressive run followed by a mid-season hiccup.
However, I believe that the two seasons present different scenarios and different problems.
The post-Christmas part of last season became clogged up with cup fixtures and players in the regular team needed a break, but the remainder of the squad was not strong enough when called upon to push clear again in the League.
This year, the "reserve" part of the squad is immeasurably better and stronger and there is little difference in quality between those who play regularly and those who fill in occasionally.
Herein lies the problem. At the moment, Mr Buckle does not seem to know which is his best team, best formation and best tactics. I personally don't believe that you can be successful by constantly switching between 4-4-2 for home matches and 4-5-1 away. The players become confused and the long ball game is the result.
In Champions League and other European matches, 4-5-1 works OK because opponents sit back cagily and do not press for possession all the time. At our level, it's a more blood and thunder affair and you have to have quicker support to help the players who are in the team to score the goals.
Mr Buckle must surely also realise by now that Carlisle and Sills are totally off their game at the moment and need a rest. He seems to be afraid to do anything about this, but last night's game was crying out for a speedy and clever winger (which we had in the second half) and either a clinical finisher (Benyon) or a forward with pace (Green), which we didn't.
Calls for him to be dismissed are plainly ridiculous, and yet the whole season could now rest on him grasping the nettle and making the changes which will bring back the goals and thus restore confidence, not only for the players but also the fans.
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Post by Dave on Feb 14, 2009 20:36:31 GMT
Our win today got us back into a play-off place and now we really need a good run of results to try and cement our place there. Having a look at the tables and things are in our own hands and as long as we do the business out on the pitch and get the results, then we will still have a good chance of going back up and become the league club again we all feel we really are.
Lets also hope that if we can now stay in a play -off place, we will see more fans return to our home matches and play their part in helping both the team out on the pitch and also the clubs finances. Such low gates in our last two home games can not be helping to even balance the books as we will need to be in a position to strengthen the team should we go back up.
Not sure just why they have dropped even lower than they had,or how the club gets more coming to the games, but I do know the club and the team deserve far better than they are currently getting.
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Post by Rob on Feb 17, 2009 21:42:27 GMT
Back down to 6th again.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Feb 17, 2009 22:13:37 GMT
BACK TO SIXTH?! IT'S A DISGRACE - BUCKLE-OUT!!!
As Jon rightly says, it feels like a bit of a "phoney war". The farcial differentials between the games played column have skewed the positions IMHO - Burton have played 6 games more than Kettering for instance! Having the postponed games against Burton and Barrow moved-back towards the end of the season is totally baffling - are there really no mutually satisfactory games between now and then?! I would like to think that we would win one of our games-in-hand to overtake Cambridge and Stevenage, but it doesn't seem that we will get close to parity of games played until the final day of the season.
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Post by capitalgull on Feb 17, 2009 22:19:19 GMT
Meanwhile, over at the Beeb, apparently Burton 'boosted their hopes of a play-off place' by beating Wrexham...
NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
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