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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 13:49:11 GMT
I see the Labour losers are turning on him in unadulterated terms. All I can think is that the MP's ousted tonight should reflect on the way they obstructed Brexit, and wasted billions of pounds in the process. I don't think all the blame for delaying Brexit can rest with Labour MPs. Firstly it was the ERG within the Tory ranks that frustrated Theresa May in getting a deal done. But undoubtedly I think the Labour MPs in leave seats probably regret not having the courage to defy their whip and backing May's deal (which is not very different to Johnson's), that would have got May's deal over the line and they will still have jobs. But I think the main reason the magnitude of the Labour defeat is the very simple fact that the Labour party has moved away from its core supporter base who no longer identify with it, and since the Labour party is now controlled by Momentum there is no chance it will move back toward the centre any time soon if at all. And they're off... The magnitude of the Labour defeat is very simple...correct. The magnitude of their own folly is also very simple. It doesn't matter if Corbett was so far left his left hand side disappeared over the horizon. He went against the will of the people and paid the price. So we have had yet another Referendum, and the people have come out in even greater numbers and supported the only party with a leave the EU policy...and still they can't see it! |
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Post by Rob on Dec 13, 2019 14:56:43 GMT
Very gracious of you in victory, Register. I would expect no less.
Stewart, he does at least have that political ‘mandate’ for proceeding with the withdrawal deal now, so don’t be too down. Let’s hope that we can get a good trade deal with our main market, the EU, in the timeframe he has promised. Like other, I hope all the evidence his and May’s government has amassed to date on the economic impact of leaving is proved wrong. I totally share your views on him. The majority of those who voted likely feel similarly. That is the way of first past the post elections. A parliamentary majority is generally after a minority percentage vote. But I do believe he will eventually deliver on what you voted for in the 2016 referendum and that this also shored up his 45% majority.
Corbyn should have stood down long before the election. I have consistently said that on another site for quite some time now. The result makes this fairly evident.
Pete, I agree, they seem stuck in a Momentum hole right now that they will take a long time to get out of. My guess is they will now go for Momentum backed Rebecca Long-Bailey. For their electoral hopes in 5 years, they will need to knife her in the back about 12 months before the next election for someone nearer the centre ground. Johnson with his ‘one nation’ promises is now seeking to occupy that centre ground having achieved a parliamentary majority, so Labour’s future electoral task is made harder.
Swinson and the SNP enabled this election to happen in the first place. And then she lost her seat to them. I don’t have an awful lot of sympathy for her either. Like everyone else, I have no idea how IndyRef2 may pan out there (the arguments on both sides are clear) or what may happen with the island of Ireland. As always, time will tell. I think it’s a sad day for Britain, but others won’t. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.
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Post by plainmoorpete on Dec 13, 2019 15:41:05 GMT
I don't think Northern Ireland joining the Republic is so clear cut. I believe there is a protestant majority amongst the population and it had often been argued in the past that the catholic middle class would be economically better off in the UK than the Republic.
As for Scotland don't opinion polls show a slight lead for remaining in the UK.
Just as every Tory voter yesterday was not a leaver and every labour voter was not a remainer therefore it can safely be said that not every SNP voter was a quitter.
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Post by Rob on Dec 13, 2019 15:50:25 GMT
I don't think Northern Ireland joining the Republic is so clear cut. I believe there is a protestant majority amongst the population and it had often been argued in the past that the catholic middle class would be economically better off in the UK than the Republic. As for Scotland don't opinion polls show a slight lead for remaining in the UK. Just as every Tory voter yesterday was not a leaver and every labour voter was not a remainer therefore it can safely be said that not every SNP voter was a quitter. Very fair point, Pete. Prominent Labour leavers also lost their seats last night as you mentioned before. Genuinely have no idea how Scotland and Ireland will pan out and wouldn’t suggest a likelihood of any direction, myself. The different treatment of N Ireland in the withdrawal agreement augments the discussion. Nothing black and white, other than a Conservative parliamentary majority and Government today. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:21:58 GMT
Very gracious of you in victory, Register. I would expect no less. Stewart, he does at least have that political ‘mandate’ for proceeding with the withdrawal deal now, so don’t be too down. Let’s hope that we can get a good trade deal with our main market, the EU, in the timeframe he has promised. Like other, I hope all the evidence his and May’s government has amassed to date on the economic impact of leaving is proved wrong. I totally share your views on him. The majority of those who voted likely feel similarly. That is the way of first past the post elections. A parliamentary majority is generally after a minority percentage vote. But I do believe he will eventually deliver on what you voted for in the 2016 referendum and that this also shored up his 45% majority. Corbyn should have stood down long before the election. I have consistently said that on another site for quite some time now. The result makes this fairly evident. Pete, I agree, they seem stuck in a Momentum hole right now that they will take a long time to get out of. My guess is they will now go for Momentum backed Rebecca Long-Bailey. For their electoral hopes in 5 years, they will need to knife her in the back about 12 months before the next election for someone nearer the centre ground. Johnson with his ‘one nation’ promises is now seeking to occupy that centre ground having achieved a parliamentary majority, so Labour’s future electoral task is made harder. Swinson and the SNP enabled this election to happen in the first place. And then she lost her seat to them. I don’t have an awful lot of sympathy for her either. Like everyone else, I have no idea how IndyRef2 may pan out there (the arguments on both sides are clear) or what may happen with the island of Ireland. As always, time will tell. I think it’s a sad day for Britain, but others won’t. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose. Thank you Rob.  I always try and be as gracious as I can in victory. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 10:19:53 GMT
Johnson's lies and unsubstantive bluster appear to be paying off then. If he couldn't care less about the child lying on a hospital floor, or the young man who lost his life near London Bridge, what does that say about everyone who has voted conservative? Johnson is the second Margaret Thatcher in male form, and anyone who trusts him to do anything but promote his own personal interests will be in for a severe shock in the months to come. I voted leave all that time ago, but I didn't expect this self-centred buffoon to be in charge of the cause. Sometimes I wish that I had the ability to express myself in the same subtle and ironic language as Alpine Joe, but his mastery of that is something which I cannot attempt. All I can say is that I am very angry tonight that our country will now be in the hands of such a hateful, pompous and disgusting individual. And your alternative choice of leader would have been... So no alternative, you just don't like the result...now what does that remind me of? Rioting in London last night, a load of 'Luvvies' slapping Police Officers and gluing themselves to things because they didn't like the result...what a sad watered-down country we have become. If you have fallen by the wayside on the road to Dartmouth, there is still time for salvation...come back to us, there's still time. Should you have become a Remoaner, it's easy to tell: Your hair becomes all Lank, you stop washing, and your brains turn into Marshmallow and you start eating them! Still, why wouldn't you eat them if you weren't going to use them again. |
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Post by Rob on Dec 14, 2019 13:35:26 GMT
Just as every Tory voter yesterday was not a leaver and every labour voter was not a remainer therefore it can safely be said that not every SNP voter was a quitter. I'm sure this was true for many Scots. I'm not convinced now that Scots do favour remaining in the UK, now UK is stepping out of Europe. That was not on the horizon when the last IndyRef was held. 5 years on UK is about to become a very different place, so if Sturgeon can convince the nation they could remain in the EU if independent, I think she would win. Let's not forget it was a unanimous remain vote in Scotland. Not one single area wanted Brexit, yet here it is about to be imposed on them. Indeed, it wasn’t on the horizon. We know the 2016 EU referendum was characterised by much bullshit, but with Scotland’s referendum before that, one reason people were being told to vote against independence was that it might mean they could no longer belong in the EU. |
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