chelstongull
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Mar 13, 2019 20:51:09 GMT
Post by chelstongull on Mar 13, 2019 20:51:09 GMT
From 90:00 onwards the ball was out of play for approx 3 minutes and 6 seconds
The ref at the WSM game (same as last night) gave 1 added minute in the first half, does that mean that the ball was in play for 44 minutes with no time wasting, perhaps the 'cameraman'could explain, unless anyone else can as I don't understand...
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Woking
Mar 13, 2019 23:26:14 GMT
Post by stewart on Mar 13, 2019 23:26:14 GMT
From 90:00 onwards the ball was out of play for approx 3 minutes and 6 secondsThe ref at the WSM game (same as last night) gave 1 added minute in the first half, does that mean that the ball was in play for 44 minutes with no time wasting, perhaps the 'cameraman'could explain, unless anyone else can as I don't understand... My understanding has always been that the time spent by the ball out of play due for throw-ins, free kicks, and corners, attracts no added time, as they are all natural occurrences during the game. Conversely, things like injuries and substitutions get time added on to make up for the break in play caused by those events. I think each sub adds 30 seconds, as it is a tactical ploy, not a natural occurrence through normal play. So if during 4 mins of added time the ball keeps getting hoofed out for throw-ins by the side defending a lead, that's natural play, and no more time is added on. Any substitution or injury requiring treatment during that time, gets more time added on to the time already added on. I think time-wasting is a decision at the ref's discretion and for him to decide on how much time should be added if he deems time is being wasted. I've said this several times before, but football has a lot to learn from rugby. The additional minutes added on by the match officials are far too arbitrary. In rugby the referee decides and announces, via his walkie-talkie, when the watch should be stopped for tries, penalties, scrums, line outs and injuries. In football this should probably be reduced to goals scored, penalties, injuries and substitutions. As soon as the time goes beyond ninety minutes and the ball is out of play, that is the end of the match. The winning goal scored by Woking at Oxford appears to be a case in point, where it seems that it was scored in the 97th minute after the board had indicated 4 extra minutes. This anomaly could easily be avoided by adopting the system employed in rugby. |
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Mar 14, 2019 17:04:46 GMT
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Post by stig123 on Mar 14, 2019 17:04:46 GMT
Also worth noting that in the vast majority of English league games the ball is in play for less than 60 minutes.
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Woking
Mar 15, 2019 0:13:32 GMT
Post by stewart on Mar 15, 2019 0:13:32 GMT
I've said this several times before, but football has a lot to learn from rugby. The additional minutes added on by the match officials are far too arbitrary. In rugby the referee decides and announces, via his walkie-talkie, when the watch should be stopped for tries, penalties, scrums, line outs and injuries. In football this should probably be reduced to goals scored, penalties, injuries and substitutions. As soon as the time goes beyond ninety minutes and the ball is out of play, that is the end of the match. The winning goal scored by Woking at Oxford appears to be a case in point, where it seems that it was scored in the 97th minute after the board had indicated 4 extra minutes. This anomaly could easily be avoided by adopting the system employed in rugby. The last thing footie needs is the clock stopping every time something occurs. That is the slippery slope down which American football has gone. A currently average 94-min footie game, could endure for 2 hours or longer. And once the ad men start throwing their money into the sport, every break is the cue for a 30-sec ad. You only have to watch Superbowl to realise how frustrating watching sport on those terms becomes. Just this year a report showed that American football matches, a game that officially consists of four 15-min quarters, takes an average of 3 hours and 12 mins, with that only actually comprising 11 minutes of actual play. 11 minutes! The rest is mainly advertising. Not for me, thank you! I completely understand what you are saying, but you have obviously lived in the States for a number of years and have based your comments on what Americans call "football", whereas it is actually a mixture of throwball, catchball and wrestling. Proper football does not have time-outs, breaks for advertisements (except perhaps at half time), cheerleaders dancing around during artificial interruptions, etc. Superbowl is the most ridiculous spectacle that I have ever seen. A player who scores a touchdown (is that the correct word?) only has to carry the ball into the designated area and doesn't even have to exert downward pressure on the ball on the ground. What I am saying is that it would be far better, fairer and more logical to stop the clock for exact minutes and seconds during each half when the four events which I have mentioned occur. This would surely be better than leaving it to the officials to guess how much time should be added on at the end, a policy which often results in injustices when the actual time played exceeds what they have guessed should be on the electronic board. |
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Woking
Mar 15, 2019 2:05:23 GMT
Post by stewart on Mar 15, 2019 2:05:23 GMT
I completely understand what you are saying, but you have obviously lived in the States for a number of years and have based your comments on what Americans call "football", whereas it is actually a mixture of throwball, catchball and wrestling. Proper football does not have time-outs, breaks for advertisements (except perhaps at half time), cheerleaders dancing around during artificial interruptions, etc. Superbowl is the most ridiculous spectacle that I have ever seen. A player who scores a touchdown (is that the correct word?) only has to carry the ball into the designated area and doesn't even have to exert downward pressure on the ball on the ground. What I am saying is that it would be far better, fairer and more logical to stop the clock for exact minutes and seconds during each half when the four events which I have mentioned occur. This would surely be better than leaving it to the officials to guess how much time should be added on at the end, a policy which often results in injustices when the actual time played exceeds what they have guessed should be on the electronic board. I'm not confused, Stewart. Your suggestion to stop the clock in our 'proper' football, was the catalyst for the ad saturation in American Football. Once we start stopping the clock when there is no action, the ad men will see the next logical step is to fill that empty slot with an ad. The end result is that the actual sporting contest around which everything is built is relegated to bit part role, and you end up with the ridiculous spectacle of hour-long American Football matches taking more than 3 times as long to complete. The sad part is that last year's Super Bowl game was pretty exciting, but the enjoyment was sucked out of it by the incessant ads, and the extended half-time period. Because of that I didn't even bother to watch this year's SB match. I didn't say, or even suggest, that you were confused. Stopping the clock before set pieces works really well in rugby, because it is a game in which players want to try to score points right up to the final whistle, irrespective of the final result. There is no reason why this would not work in proper football, and thus relieve the match officials of the burden of guessing how much time should be added on at the end of each half. American "football" is all about razzmatazz and entertainment for the audience, and is a million miles away from what English fans expect from watching a match. |
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Woking
Mar 15, 2019 12:09:01 GMT
Post by stefano on Mar 15, 2019 12:09:01 GMT
I've said this several times before, but football has a lot to learn from rugby. The additional minutes added on by the match officials are far too arbitrary. I completely agree with Stewart on this. I watch a lot of live rugby union and the time keeping does work extremely well. Games do not go on for ages after you would expect the game to finish and it is completely transparent. The 'clock' is displayed so spectators can see when it is stopped and when time is up. Adds only about a further 10 minutes on average after you would expect an 80 minute game to have finished. I think it is easily possible to do in Association Football which has no comparison to the namby pamby US games with all those time outs and any other excuse for a stoppage! |
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Woking
Mar 15, 2019 17:54:43 GMT
Post by gullone on Mar 15, 2019 17:54:43 GMT
I see that Woking are selling tickets for the April 6th game next week on... Sun 17th 10am-1pm Mon 18th 4pm-8pm Wed 20th 4pm-8pm and Thurs 21st 4pm-8pm. If any of you Hampshire based Gulls or indeed anyone else who will be picking up a ticket from that end please can you get one extra for myself a long standing no nonsence supporter that simply dosnt want to miss this match. PM me if you can help...i would be extremely grateful.
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Woking
Mar 16, 2019 1:28:22 GMT
Post by stewart on Mar 16, 2019 1:28:22 GMT
Stopping the clock before set pieces works really well in rugby, because it is a game in which players want to try to score points right up to the final whistle, irrespective of the final result. There is no reason why this would not work in proper football, and thus relieve the match officials of the burden of guessing how much time should be added on at the end of each half. American "football" is all about razzmatazz and entertainment for the audience, and is a million miles away from what English fans expect from watching a match. Yeah, cos God forbid that English fans should be entertained by their sport. Bring on the nil-nil snores draws! You should try learning about American Football and how exciting it actually can be, before castigating it with hackneyed, stereotypical comments so often made by other Brits with no clue about it either. It's just as exciting as both rugby codes, perhaps even more so, IMO. And you don't think that American Footballers are trying to score right up until the last millisecond? Course they are! And yet you say this: "The end result is that the actual sporting contest around which everything is built is relegated to bit part role, and you end up with the ridiculous spectacle of hour-long American Football matches taking more than 3 times as long to complete. The sad part is that last year's Super Bowl game was pretty exciting, but the enjoyment was sucked out of it by the incessant ads, and the extended half-time period. Because of that I didn't even bother to watch this year's SB match." So you love the game played over there, but didn't watch the most important match of the season because it went on for too long? I did actually start to watch one Super Bowl match a few years ago, but fell asleep after about 20 minutes because all I could see was something akin to a multi-wrestling match, punctuated by about 35 coaches on each team making changes to their teams every few minutes. This is a very silly game, but I'm extremely sorry that you seem to falling out of love with it. |
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Mar 16, 2019 22:38:18 GMT
Post by rjdgull on Mar 16, 2019 22:38:18 GMT
Another 2 more points dropped today and close to being all three. Would be nice to be back top before that game in hand.
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Post by gullone on Mar 17, 2019 16:42:58 GMT
I see that Woking are selling tickets for the April 6th game next week on... Sun 17th 10am-1pm Mon 18th 4pm-8pm Wed 20th 4pm-8pm and Thurs 21st 4pm-8pm. If any of you Hampshire based Gulls or indeed anyone else who will be picking up a ticket from that end please can you get one extra for myself a long standing no nonsence supporter that simply dosnt want to miss this match. PM me if you can help...i would be extremely grateful. I just knew that a TFF member would help... many thanks, you know who you are. I SHALL go to the ball  |
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Mar 23, 2019 0:31:41 GMT
Post by rjdgull on Mar 23, 2019 0:31:41 GMT
link - Johnson really enjoying life At Plainmoor and taking each game at a time and does not view the Woking game as a title decider. It is actually nice to have an experienced manager who has done this all before especially with such a young side to enable the team to achieve the goal of promotion.
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Mar 23, 2019 15:24:41 GMT
Post by rjdgull on Mar 23, 2019 15:24:41 GMT
Slough take the lead against Woking so back to top of the league
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Mar 23, 2019 16:56:29 GMT
Post by rjdgull on Mar 23, 2019 16:56:29 GMT
Slough take the lead against Woking so back to top of the league And full time sees Woking lose 0-1 |
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Mar 23, 2019 17:43:54 GMT
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Post by stig123 on Mar 23, 2019 17:43:54 GMT
Home loss to Slough not what they needed before a tough away trip to Bath.
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Mar 23, 2019 17:57:52 GMT
Post by rjdgull on Mar 23, 2019 17:57:52 GMT
Home loss to Slough not what they needed before a tough away trip to Bath. The more I look at their next few games the more I think they will struggle and will be dropping more points. Probably a decisive weekend on the race to the title and nice to be 2 points clear again but with us having the game in hand this time. |
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