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Post by Jon on Dec 18, 2008 17:56:55 GMT
I don't have a problem with what Team Bath originally set out to do and what it is supposed to do.
When the idea was launched I thought it was a great idea. The old YTS schemes used to suck in thousands of 16 year-olds and spit out thousands of demoralised 18 year-olds who felt they were failures.
The idea of these lads having a second chance and a decent relevant education was good. Some would find their way back into pro-football, some into coaching or leisure management.
The idea has been corrupted along the way. How can a University team have players on loan?
Team Bath, with crowds often struggling to hit 100, could pip Wimbledon, with crowds of 3,000, to promotion. We could be playing them next season!
The focus at Team Bath is on advancing through the leagues at all costs, not on education and development. It doesn't do what it says on the tin.
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Post by merse on Dec 18, 2008 18:04:41 GMT
I don't have a problem with what Team Bath originally set out to do and what it is supposed to do. The idea has been corrupted along the way. How can a University team have players on loan? The focus at Team Bath is on advancing through the legues at all costs, not on education and development. It doesn't do what it says on the tin.  I disagree Jon, the higher the profile of "Team Bath FC" the more effective the important work of producing qualified coaching and management graduates manifesting itself in the FACT that over a thousand fully qualified football coaches alone are now doing their work to the benefit of the game and community at large. |
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Post by jamie on Dec 18, 2008 20:26:56 GMT
I thought that this thread was starting to become in danger of generating sensible, intelligent , thought through debate (and we can't have that) So here are my top "hated" teams. (seriously, cracking posts from BD and merse amongst others) 1) Manure : obvious really, they stand for all the plastic, armchair hanger on'ers that football is full of now. Real man u fans watch FC United and fair shout to them 2)MK francise - hang your heads in shame 3)argentina - sorry I am with terry butcher on this one. 4)Portugal - Just because of the oil slick that is Ronaldo 5) Scotland (never before have I met such a racist, angry nation of english haters) get over it guys. Teams I like the most: Tufc (obvious) AFC wimbledon (proper fans who put their money where their mouth is - good on you ) FC United ( see above) Newcastle (my son is a fan and consequently I have caught the bug) I also like the fact that they cannot ever be called glory seekers! shef wed - brother is season ticket holder so I keep a watch out for them. and see games when I am in sheffield. And yes I know I contradict myself ............ that's football  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2008 1:24:33 GMT
Quite right too, Jamie!
When I lived in Taunton I got in the local ways of disliking Yeovil Town - sometimes known as "Yeovile". I think there was a resentment of how Yeovil were "media darlings" as a non-league club (did their own supporters found this partonising?) and the way their fans felt they had the "right" to be a league club. Bath and Weymouth have an obvious historic dislike towards them but the undercurrents run deeper and wider than that. Furthermore, you can't knock the set-up at Huish Park but it's all a bit soulless like the town itself. I've certainly enjoyed our wins against Yeovil and look forward to at least one more in Div 2 next season.
As for Scotland, it's the Rangers/Celtic sectarianism that most bugs me. And what effect does this have on the supporters of other clubs? I went to a Motherwell v Celtic match around five years ago and the abuse from young Motherwell fans was absolutely horrible and entirely of the Rangers variety. I wonder what they are like at a Motherwell v Rangers game? (something to do with Rangers being loyalist hence British hence English??). Then, on the train back into Glasgow, we were treated to a set of songs relecting another "tradition".
I'd like to experience the "Tartan Army" thing up close. The almost complete absence of the Scottish Saltaire at Rangers v Cetic games - Union Jacks at one end; Irish Tricolours at the other - suggests a lack of interest in the national team from the Old Firm. In turn you would hope this means an absence of sectarianism in the national team's followers. The Tartan Army enjoy a good press but what are they like? Jamie's English-haters, boorish drunks (almost in the rugby union mould) or a jolly fine set of chaps?
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Post by jamie on Dec 19, 2008 20:24:28 GMT
Absolutely spot on BD. It always annoys me when I hear the media nonsense about the scottish fans - it is so far from the truth.
When I was in Scotland I heard things said about the English you would be locked up for if you said it in any other situation. Not just passion or ribbing, not even banter, it was nothing short of racist hatred.
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Post by David Graham's Eighth Pint on Dec 20, 2008 10:23:38 GMT
Chelsea - Captained by a horrible thuggish chav and players like Ashley Cole and Didier Drogba epitomise everything I hate about the modern day millionaire player. MK Dons - How someone could do that to a football club, I will never know. Liverpool - A couple of players I really admire, like Xabi Alonso. Other than that, everything about the club is immensely unlikable. I only really dislike Plymouth or Exeter in terms of a traditional local rivalry. If I'm perfectly honest, I'd love to see Plymouth get to the Premier League. But then the Plymouth fans I know personally are really nice guys. I don't mind seeing Exeter doing well, as long as they're not doing better than us. So at the moment, I'm not their biggest fan!  At International level, other than the Argentina and Germany rivalries, seeing France fail always brings a smile to my face.
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Post by jerry on Apr 9, 2009 19:13:01 GMT
2. Team Bath – another sham of a club, masquerading as a “University team” when they are nothing of the sort in order to be “state-funded”. How they get away with it is beyond belief. To make matters worse, they spawned the odious tw@ in the crav@ - see below. This will make you happy then Jon: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/7991750.stm |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 19:29:27 GMT
2. Team Bath – another sham of a club, masquerading as a “University team” when they are nothing of the sort in order to be “state-funded”. How they get away with it is beyond belief. To make matters worse, they spawned the odious tw@ in the crav@ - see below. This will make you happy then Jon: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/7991750.stmI wonder what this is all about? The statement on the Team Bath website raises more questions than it gives answers. Something doesn't add up. |
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Post by stewart on Apr 9, 2009 22:59:44 GMT
Back to the topic after some philosophical grousing about a non-entity of a club.
1. Arsenal - lucky old Arsenal they said decades ago, and it's true;
2. Leeds United - dirtiest team in the history of the game;
3. Chelsea - the ultimate in rich owners trying to buy success.
It's not a question of hating these clubs, just rejoicing whenever they lose.
As for Manchester United, they may not be everyone's cup of tea because they attract "supporters" from all of our home towns, but that is not their fault. I was only 11 years old when the air disaster at Munich took place and the whole country mourned the passing of so many great young players, but then rejoiced when, only ten years later, they won the European Cup with some of the greatest players in the history of the game. You should all consider that when denigrating England's most successful and durable club.
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Post by merse on Apr 10, 2009 2:45:23 GMT
 I don't "hate" any club, but I DO hold clubs who make a genuine attempt to develop and bring through their OWN talent way above those who don't and I certainly hold contempt for those clubs who once did but now no longer attempt to do so. I'm talking about clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea here who's history in recent times was one of having production lines so good they provided the backbone of the England teams of the times. Now one would be hard put to name a single player they have brought through and who has established themselves as as regular member of their starting eleven. John Terry at Chelsea and Jamie Carragher/Steve Gerrard at Liverpool are the only ones who spring to mind, whilst at least Man Utd and Arsenal of the clubs at the top of the pyramid keep their production lines rolling and introduce new faces of their own on a regular basis. I'm appalled too that Liverpool continue to employ a manager who's lack of knowledge of the structure of English football and unwillingness to recruit from below in the fashion that the club historically has, is so detrimental to their current make up whereby whenever I see them on TV they are just a bunch of anonymous Spanish imports. Take heed of the history of Ray Clemence and Kevin Keegan (Scunthorpe Utd) Emlyn Hughes (Blackpool) Phil Neale (Northampton Town) Peter Thompson (Preston N.E.) Alun Evans (Wolves) John Toshack (Cardiff City) Larry Lloyd (Bristol Rovers) ~ I could go on and on ~ who all made the grade at our leading club of the time from echelons below the very top of the domestic game. That sort of constructive managership is just not employed there now, to the detriment of the heritage and welfare of the club in particular and the well being of the financially challenged clubs below them in general. It results in the national manager of England having to work with less material than his predecessors, and it's no wonder the loss of ability to compete competively at the very highest levels of world football hit us so badly over the past two decades. American owned Liverpool, and Russian owned Chelsea? You can keep them as far as I'm concerned!
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Post by aussie on Apr 10, 2009 7:30:48 GMT
Man puke, I don`t hate them, I despise them. How dare they make Eggshitter look half decent( note I only said half decent ), and they are supported by glory hunters from across the planet, they make me sick, especially their wino manager with his purple cider nose. Less than 5% of their fans have ever been to a game old Old Trafford, sad sad people! They are also Northern so they have a natural tendency to hate us!
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Post by aussie on Apr 10, 2009 7:31:57 GMT
Also I`m really not jealous of their success, honest! |
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Post by tufc01 on Apr 10, 2009 10:47:23 GMT
This is a good question, particularly when you look how fickle football supporters can be (and as you will see that includes myself). I can't be doing with the hating Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool etc etc. I find it totally astonishing how people who live in this area, watch a dozen games on TV, a couple of match of the days and maybe go to one live game a season millennium, then become 'Manc' haters, or 'Souse' haters, like they have any firsthand knowledge of the rivalry up there? strange? I'm not even sure how these people can class themselves as Liverpool, Man Utd supporters/fans whatever, but hey that’s a different argument again. One which no doubt someone will come back and tell me why, but I just don't get it  Personally I would like to see all 4 teams get to the Champions league semi-finals every season and don't care which one wins it as long as one of them does. Merse made a brilliant point, it’s more about respecting which club does more to enhance the national game, develops more players through their youth system etc I try to hate Exeter, but I can't. Even after the despair of last season’s play offs and still being 'tormented' by the juveniles who live in my street who go round in their city tops all the time, well since that day last may, making comments and writing ECFC and stuff in the dust on my truck. I actually have a certain amount of respect for what they are doing right now. As much as it pains me to say it, they were by far the better team last year, have built on that and look very much like getting automatic promotion. Good luck to them and rather than getting an ulcer over that, I would rather concentrate on us. I don't hate Plymouth for a couple of reasons; Strong connection to the city due to my time in the Navy and I truly believe that the South West NEEDS a team in the championship/Premiership. We ALL benefit indirectly from that. So you would think I don't actually hate any football team, but you would be wrong. At the moment i HATE Weymouth with a vengeance, for what they have done this season, the way they have made a complete mockery of this league this year. Its beginning to look more likely that they will have as much influence over this title race than anyone. Not just with Histon having to visit but the results over the last 2 months as well. Besides we always look to a fall guy when we do not achieve something, so if we don't they are going to be mine. Obviously this 'hatred' (bit to strong a word for my liking) is for personal reasons and if we were to go up as Champions then it will all be forgotten about and they will go back to being a club who i hope will recover because they are 'local' and normally I would like to see them stay in the BSP. If not then I hope they end up in the Lidl sponsored Dorset minor league 7 and play on some shitty council pitch next to Portland prison. Now that’s showing hate for a football club. If it comes across that I am slightly miffed it’s because I am. I typed this up the first time around and as I ran the spell checker the page crashed, the site went down and I lost it all. When will I ever learn to save it in word as I go along. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 12:23:20 GMT
I try to hate Exeter, but I can't. Even after the despair of last season’s play offs and still being 'tormented' by the juveniles who live in my street who go round in their city tops all the time, well since that day last may, making comments and writing ECFC and stuff in the dust on my truck. I actually have a certain amount of respect for what they are doing right now. As much as it pains me to say it, they were by far the better team last year, have built on that and look very much like getting automatic promotion. Good luck to them and rather than getting an ulcer over that, I would rather concentrate on us. Indeed. With there being a number of unpleasant football clubs from unappetising towns with unappealing supporters - some of whom would have made truly grotty local rivals - it's hard to get too worked up about Exeter City who, quite simply, don't come into any of these categories. Maybe that's a good thing as some local derbies do leave a little to be desired. Somehow I can't really see Torquay United as participants in anything that's too ugly and nasty. Argyle are a bit different but, even then, I'm ambivalent. I've grown to accept the argument that Argyle being in the Championship is a good thing (including us picking up players they no longer require or those they wish to farm out on loan). However, once there's a scent of us playing them my nostrils start to flare.... |
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Post by merse on Apr 10, 2009 15:17:46 GMT
I actually have a certain amount of respect for what they are doing right now. As much as it pains me to say it, they were by far the better team last year, have built on that and look very much like getting automatic promotion. Good luck to them and rather than getting an ulcer over that, I would rather concentrate on us. So you would think I don't actually hate any football team, but you would be wrong. At the moment i HATE Weymouth with a vengeance, for what they have done this season, the way they have made a complete mockery of this league this year. I'm exactly with you on those two points, except that I'd rather use the word contempt than "hate" for Weymouth and their idiotic bunch of fans of Terrastalk. |
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