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Post by rjdgull on May 7, 2016 7:39:18 GMT
Our retained list will be out soon but which players would you like to see us keep? From those that were under contract I would like to see us keep Butler, MacDonald, Gerring, Berry, Racchi, Richards, Chaney, Allen, Ajala, Blissett and Harrad. From those that were with us on loan, could we sign, Moore, Verma and Rees. Wright and Smith would be both welcome back on season long loans  |
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Post by Rob on May 7, 2016 10:01:50 GMT
I'm not too fussed about Ajala. If we can better Harrad with hold up play, I wouldn't mind if he wasn't retained either. I'd keep all the others you mention. Of the loanees, I'd be happy to see them all back, but cannot see that happening with Smith and Wright in any event. PS: You missed out Luke Young. I'd keep him if there's a chance.
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Post by rjdgull on May 7, 2016 12:12:52 GMT
Ajala is very hot and cold so a marginal decision but I have seen enough to say keep him (just!) I left Young out on purpose as we have too many central midfielders. If we had the budget to mount a promotion challenge I would say go for it but not sure it is going to happen. Would love him to stay but suspect he won't  |
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Post by chelstongull on May 8, 2016 7:16:12 GMT
Our retained list will be out soon but which players would you like to see us keep? From those that were under contract I would like to see us keep Butler, MacDonald, Gerring, Berry, Racchi, Richards, Chaney, Allen, Ajala, Blissett and Harrad. From those that were with us on loan, could we sign, Moore, Verma and Rees. Wright and Smith would be both welcome back on season long loans I hope that Nicho will tie Young down to a contract if possible. Ajala, not too sure. How long before Berry is back from his broken leg, assume 6 months prove your self type contract. Would like a big experienced centre back like Charlie Clough of FGR if at all possible. Roll on the PSF. |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on May 8, 2016 7:52:17 GMT
No to Ajala from me. Too ineffectual even at this level and not surprised that Dover let him go. As for the rest, hopefully Moore would prefer 1st team action here to 3rd choice at Fleetwood. Rees has been at Forest for around 2 1/2 years without looking like getting in the 1st team so could well be tempted. Prefer him to Richards to be honest. With Capn Manse and his pirates (including old boys Bodin and Leadbitter) getting promoted again, Nate may be a good bet as well as not sure he's L1 standard and Rovers will be looking to strengthen their squad.
Assuming we sign Butler, MacDonald, Gerring, Berry, Racchi, Richards, Chaney, Allen and Harrad, not sure we would need Young as well, 4 centre midfielders is enough in my book. Certainly need another CB though.
I'm sure Kev will have a think on what his primary formation would be (4-2-3-1 seems to have worked well) and trust him to recruit the players to suit.
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Post by Rob on May 8, 2016 9:49:54 GMT
Not sure about this, 'wouldn't need Young' thing. Am guessing Rob and DVN are preparing for the inevitable. I hope we pull out all the stops without skinting ourselves. His Facebook post the other week did hugely hint at him leaving, though. My guess is Exeter.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on May 8, 2016 13:33:50 GMT
Not at all. All depends on the formation the manager wants to play, but as I see it we need 4 central midfielders, two who are box to box ball winner types and two who can also win back possession and create attacking moves. Probably, Rees and Richards fall into the 1st category, Chaney, Racchi & Young into the 2nd. Perm any combination you like, but what the last few seasons has shown us is when playing 2 central midfielders, BOTH need to be able to tackle and win possession back. If they cant, we just look a lightweight outfit (eg with Craig in the middle) and get steamrollered on a regular basis (like under Hargreaves and this season till Rees and Racchi arrived).
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Post by stig123 on May 8, 2016 14:37:49 GMT
Totally agree Ditmar. Being lightweight in midfield is not a recipe for success in any league. ..National League probably more so than most.
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Post by Rob on May 8, 2016 18:34:54 GMT
Young is one of the best central midfielders in this League. Don't get it.
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Post by rjdgull on May 8, 2016 18:48:48 GMT
Young is one of the best central midfielders in this League. Don't get it. Agreed - but that makes it trickier to keep him.... |
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Post by Rob on May 8, 2016 18:53:09 GMT
Young is one of the best central midfielders in this League. Don't get it. Agreed - but that makes it trickier to keep him.... Certainly agree with that. Doesn't matter which of the various central midfield combinations you might go for, he is quality that makes the X1 every time for me. |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on May 8, 2016 18:57:59 GMT
Young is one of the best central midfielders in this League. Don't get it. Yeah well, you do have a habit of missing the blindingly obvious. If you're going to be a central midfielder at this level, you need to be able to break up opposition play and win possession back as well as doing the rest of the stuff. How we laughed (well, not me to be honest as I trusted Gossy on his assessment) and accused Garg supporters of sour grapes when some of them had the nerve to point out Young goes missing when it's backs to the wall time. Yet, watching the 2nd half of last season showed just that. |
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Post by Rob on May 8, 2016 19:37:22 GMT
Ooh. Handbags. Your opinion. So be it. And clearly you're missing the blindingly obvious to most regarding Young's quality.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on May 8, 2016 21:55:20 GMT
And the evidence for that is?
He was distinctly average last season and, as already said, had a habit of going missing when it was time to stand up and be counted. He couldn't nail down a place in a struggling Argyle team before coming here so again, just what is the evidence that ??
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Post by Rob on May 8, 2016 23:06:21 GMT
You went to games. He has an ability to get the side both out of trouble and put us on the attack by a superior first touch to any we have. Good passer of the ball. Reads the game well. Good dead ball skill and shot. Plenty of energy and gets stuck in. I thought it was meant to be me with the propensity to miss the blindingly obvious. He'd be near the top of the list for a large proportion of TUFC fans. I haven't done empirical research so this is not bulletproof, but I feel reasonably confident on that.
Probably all academic as he is one of a select few we had last season who may well be attracting interest further up the food chain. Even if you do rate him below Richards. Yeah, yeah, different type of player/formations/ya di ya etc. Blindingly obvious, DVN. Although way short of evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt he is one of the best in the League, I'll grant you. But then your evidence supporting your view not to retain seems to be a tad flimsy.
I'll change the tag line soon when I get around to it as it's been a while. You need to move on from that if it's still bothering you how wrong you were. You can't always be right. I'm sure we can agree to disagree on that even if it's just a simple case of you don't rate Young and I do, on this one.
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