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Post by stuartB on Oct 17, 2013 21:18:01 GMT
so could my granny with a wooden leg Is she eligible for Wales then? unfortunately not but that never stopped anyone from selecting people to play for Wales. Ask Graham Henry lol |
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Post by JamesB on Oct 17, 2013 23:43:10 GMT
It's funny you should bring that up - I noticed a recent discussion about whether or not Rob Earnshaw should have been eligible for Wales. Certainly under the current rules he wouldn't be - he was born in Zambia and his father is English, which would have meant he would have been restricted to playing for England, as opposed to having the freedom to choose from all of the UK nations
Of course with the rugby team the problem was distant relatives being claimed to be much closer than they actually were. But that's all by-the-by
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Oct 18, 2013 9:10:10 GMT
To be fair, he did score for Wales U21's. Oh no, we'll never get him out of the team now! I remember Ling saying that Danny Stevens although he was a winger should score a few goals...can't remember if he actually did under Lings rule but was expected to. If Bodin scores for us this season I'll show my arse in Tesco's! Danny generally chipped in with a few goals over his time here, I think he averaged something like 1 every 8 appearances which probably isnt too bad a return for a diminutive winger that tended to be in and out of the team most of the time. |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Oct 18, 2013 9:19:22 GMT
Why is Ling being blamed for this? It was a wealthy fan who put up the money specifically to sign him. Most fans wanted to sign him. Don't blame the manager for being saddled with a player who was massively overrated by Torquay fans Is that a fact is it? Or just an opinion? Whilst not a totally scientific study, the bunch around me in the stand seemed pretty ambivalent about him when on loan. The general consensus was "drifts in and out of games very much like Danny". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 11:24:22 GMT
Oh no, we'll never get him out of the team now! I remember Ling saying that Danny Stevens although he was a winger should score a few goals...can't remember if he actually did under Lings rule but was expected to. If Bodin scores for us this season I'll show my arse in Tesco's! Danny generally chipped in with a few goals over his time here, I think he averaged something like 1 every 8 appearances which probably isnt too bad a return for a diminutive winger that tended to be in and out of the team most of the time. Indeed, Danny did tuck away the odd goal for us and as you say, his name was rarely on the team sheet. Bodin on the other hand has started every game except for when he's away on "International Duty" and his only claim to fame is hitting the bar at Morecambe! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 12:39:52 GMT
Register Without a considerable rewriting of history I just can't see how we or anyone else could have picked up Billy for that fee. Of course we all seem to remember the facts differently but my understanding at the time was that both ourselves and Crewe had met Swindon's asking price, and it was therefore left to the player to decide. 'On 2 July 2012, Bodin signed a two-year contract with Torquay United on an undisclosed fee,[13] beating Crewe Alexandra who attempted to sign him on a permanent basis'. Link - Wikipedia Billy Bodin I assumed that Billy had three choices to consider, sign the new contract offered to him by Swindon, join Crewe, or join us. After talking things over with Dad, he joined us: Swindon-born Bodin's pride was perhaps stung when he was then allowed to leave his home-town club, but he turned down the chance to join Crewe and opted instead for another season of League 2 football with Torquay.
The young player's decision to choose the lower division was not taken lightly and took long consideration after taking advice from his father Paul, a former Swindon and Wales defender who is now the Robins' youth team coach.
"My dad told me to do what I wanted but his advice did have an impact on my decision," said Bodin junior. "My own feeling was that I would get more games at Torquay and to be playing week-in, week-out, was very important to me."Link - Bodin The Football LeagueHowever the Herald Express reported at the time that Swansea City were also interested: Torquay United didn't only beat League One Crewe Alexandra for the signature of Billy Bodin recently.
It turns out that Premiership Swansea City also fancied the 20-year-old former Swindon Town forward.
Bodin chose Plainmoor over Crewe's Gresty Road, even though they'll be playing League One football there next season, when he made his £70,000 move to the Gulls.Link - Herald Express BodinThere was evidently quite a bit of interest in the teenage Bodin who had already played a dozen games for the Welsh International Under 21 side. Several clubs rated him, and it was definitely my impression that most inside Plainmoor did as well, even though evidence has now emerged of an ambivalent bunch in close proximity to Ditmar. With impressive performances under his belt, and 12 caps already at International Under 21 level, Swindon fans were confidently predicting that teenage sensation (I miss the smileys) Bodin would be valued at between £75,000 and £100,000 if the fee was eventually set by tribunal. Given the circumstances at the time I can't see why a tribunal would have valued Bodin at £5000 to £10,000. Swindon fans would have been very unhappy if Billy had gone for £40,000: Link - Swindon Fans Value BillyI'm still not convinced that it was only Ling's 'obsession' that pushed Billy's transfer fee up from the £5K-£10K range. |
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Post by petef on Oct 18, 2013 13:00:32 GMT
Yep that's the honest truth of it Alpine exactly as it all evolved.
No one can deny though that our 70k outlay for Billy has been a pretty poor investment, up until now at least.
When you consider we managed to bag Jordan Chapell and Kristien Pearce etc etc with no fees involved then it only serves to emphasise how fool hardy it can be to splash out large sums of money on players. Billy just hasn't produced and it's so frustarting to watch because you just know that somewhere in there is a very good player.
Paying big money for players is always going to be a gamble but rarely have I seen it pay off for us. Jamie Ward made us money if I remember , Leon Constantine was another complete flop though he did manage progress his career further up the ladder when he left us so that does beg the odd question.
What surprises me a little is that we never now seem to be chasing non league talent and we all know that there are plenty of talented players in the lower non leagues and tomorrow we will see one in Sam Clucas who I personally marked down as a real prospect when I watched him playing for Hereford in a cup match last season.
Do we actually scout the non leagues these days?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 13:41:38 GMT
Register Without a considerable rewriting of history I just can't see how we or anyone else could have picked up Billy for that fee. Of course we all seem to remember the facts differently but my understanding at the time was that both ourselves and Crewe had met Swindon's asking price, and it was therefore left to the player to decide. 'On 2 July 2012, Bodin signed a two-year contract with Torquay United on an undisclosed fee,[13] beating Crewe Alexandra who attempted to sign him on a permanent basis'. Link - Wikipedia Billy Bodin I assumed that Billy had three choices to consider, sign the new contract offered to him by Swindon, join Crewe, or join us. After talking things over with Dad, he joined us: Swindon-born Bodin's pride was perhaps stung when he was then allowed to leave his home-town club, but he turned down the chance to join Crewe and opted instead for another season of League 2 football with Torquay.
The young player's decision to choose the lower division was not taken lightly and took long consideration after taking advice from his father Paul, a former Swindon and Wales defender who is now the Robins' youth team coach.
"My dad told me to do what I wanted but his advice did have an impact on my decision," said Bodin junior. "My own feeling was that I would get more games at Torquay and to be playing week-in, week-out, was very important to me."Link - Bodin The Football LeagueHowever the Herald Express reported at the time that Swansea City were also interested: Torquay United didn't only beat League One Crewe Alexandra for the signature of Billy Bodin recently.
It turns out that Premiership Swansea City also fancied the 20-year-old former Swindon Town forward.
Bodin chose Plainmoor over Crewe's Gresty Road, even though they'll be playing League One football there next season, when he made his £70,000 move to the Gulls.Link - Herald Express BodinThere was evidently quite a bit of interest in the teenage Bodin who had already played a dozen games for the Welsh International Under 21 side. Several clubs rated him, and it was definitely my impression that most inside Plainmoor did as well, even though evidence has now emerged of an ambivalent bunch in close proximity to Ditmar. With impressive performances under his belt, and 12 caps already at International Under 21 level, Swindon fans were confidently predicting that teenage sensation (I miss the smileys) Bodin would be valued at between £75,000 and £100,000 if the fee was eventually set by tribunal. Given the circumstances at the time I can't see why a tribunal would have valued Bodin at £5000 to £10,000. Swindon fans would have been very unhappy if Billy had gone for £40,000: Link - Swindon Fans Value BillyI'm still not convinced that it was only Ling's 'obsession' that pushed Billy's transfer fee up from the £5K-£10K range. Goodness AJ, you did a bit of homework there...unlike me of course, as I never bother to look back at these things (maybe I should)... I just say it as I see it! You're probably right about the price I put on him being somewhat off, but I still stand on what I said about Lings "obsession" with Bodin. If he hadn't continually chased after him, Bodin would probably have gone to Crewe and I'm sure a certain woman in Torquay would be a lot happier, and TUFC would be a little bit better off financially! And of course we all wouldn't still be waiting for the great footballer that some people see in Bodin to actually walk out onto a football pitch sometime soon! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 16:02:11 GMT
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The secret is Register, to do a bit of homework now and again. People will then think you've always checked your facts before posting, and it'll allow you extra freedom to post absolute rubbish on occasions and no one will query it....certainly works for me haha.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Oct 18, 2013 16:14:16 GMT
even though evidence has now emerged of an ambivalent bunch in close proximity to Ditmar Stow your sarcasm where the sun doesnt shine. Hardly a recent change of opinion on my part is it. |
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Post by JamesB on Oct 18, 2013 17:38:55 GMT
Why is Ling being blamed for this? It was a wealthy fan who put up the money specifically to sign him. Most fans wanted to sign him. Don't blame the manager for being saddled with a player who was massively overrated by Torquay fans Is that a fact is it? Or just an opinion? Fact torquayfansforum.co.uk/thread/8932/billy-bodin - all seems fairly positive (apart from me - negative as usual  ), which includes some positive posts from a certain Register... And there's countless threads on the Kiddies' Forum, way too much to go trawling through now. I remember reading all that stuff at the time |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Oct 18, 2013 18:45:14 GMT
Its not a fact (and if you think it is, your education is wasted), its an opinion.
Just how many individuals have you polled from the roughly 3 thousand or so that attend games regularly, compared to the couple of dozen or do that can be bothered to post on a forum?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 19:34:02 GMT
Is that a fact is it? Or just an opinion? Fact torquayfansforum.co.uk/thread/8932/billy-bodin - all seems fairly positive (apart from me - negative as usual ), which includes some positive posts from a certain Register...
And there's countless threads on the Kiddies' Forum, way too much to go trawling through now. I remember reading all that stuff at the time I'm not having a good day here am I? Note to self: Think carefully before you open your big mouth again! Note to people in charge: Is there any chance all posts (in particular mine) could be deleted after a reasonable amount of time! |
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Post by rjdgull on Oct 18, 2013 20:10:07 GMT
Note to people in charge: Is there any chance all posts (in particular mine) could be deleted after a reasonable amount of time! Absolutely not -how would the smart alecs prove you wrong! |
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Post by JamesB on Oct 18, 2013 20:18:34 GMT
Its not a fact (and if you think it is, your education is wasted), its an opinion. Just how many individuals have you polled from the roughly 3 thousand or so that attend games regularly, compared to the couple of dozen or do that can be bothered to post on a forum? So are you suggesting there was a silent majority of Torquay fans who didn't want us to buy a player who had scored 5 in 17 appearances for us? Put it this way - I'd be very surprised if on the day that we signed Bodin a majority of Torquay fans were muttering to themselves "waste of money, he's not that good, why didn't we spend the money on someone else?" Given that I've never been overly keen on him since he was here the first time (and that's not just me saying "I told you so" for the sake of it - the evidence is there in that thread), I can only ever remember seeing one or two people saying the same thing across either of the main forums, and a quick look through the BTPIR archives suggests the same for there too He was a popular player as people thought he added something different, especially when positioned in contrast to Morris who was considered to be quite pedestrian. Of course the reason for that isn't because one was a better player than the other - it was tactical, as well as fitting into the context of how we were playing at the time; Morris played a different role in a tired, out of form team |
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