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Post by merse on Dec 5, 2008 4:35:09 GMT
 There's been some interesting comment on this thread since Patterson departed and I would add these observations to my previous post..................... Being interested in the terms of an enquiry for one's services is merely common sense rather than treachery. Especially if that "enquiry" comes through the correct channels rather than surreptitiously by passing the person in question's Chairman or CEO. Being "interested" doesn't equate to being agreeable. No football manager is on any other path than the path to the sack at the end of the day..................the parting of the ways will come one day for sure and how long that path turns out to be is dependent on the individuals success in the interim period. It would be a foolish man who declined to look at any enquiry as to his future plans as every man needs a future. We see an embittered individual on the other site promoting the theory of Buckle wishing to go and the club wishing to "cash in" on his contractual value (and citing discord between manager and CEO as the reason)..................it would give that individual huge and smug satisfaction seeing that happen as "retribution" for his and his site operator being told what to do with their sponsorship by the club last season (remember that?) We see a season ticket holder and loyal club supporter register on here and putting her view over the loss of the youth sponsorship in response to Sean Meluish giving his view that Bucks "doesn't do" disloyalty to contracts, but she puts a very perceptive conclusion to her post. We've already covered the pitfalls of managers talking to prospective new employers behind their current club's backs. If a manager is content in his job and secure in his knowledge that he has the loyalty of his employers he would then be very unwise to do other than refer any enquiring club to his Chairman. This I believe is what almost certainly has happened if (and I repeat if Oxford have made an enquiry) and that (as far as I would like to believe) is as far as it has probably gone. I was told (note the wording!) Bucks was the subject of an "enquiry" by a currently successful League 1 club of "spending power" a while back because they were anticipating being morally obliged to dismiss their successful and popular manager who was facing possible a domestic violence proceeding. As far as I understand, in the event the proceedings came to no legal action and the club (Torquay United) were fully aware of this but nothing materialised. These things "happen" as they say in football all the time................it's no bigger deal than that.
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Post by jerry on Dec 5, 2008 8:01:46 GMT
I was told (note the wording!) Bucks was the subject of an "enquiry" by a currently successful League 1 club of "spending power" a while back because they were anticipating being morally obliged to dismiss their successful and popular manager who was facing possible a domestic violence proceeding. As far as I understand, in the event the proceedings came to no legal action and the club (Torquay United) were fully aware of this but nothing materialised. That would have to be Peterborough then! That a club with their spending power and ambition were interested in Bucks shows that what he has achieved here has indeed been very impressive (as I'm sure most of us realised anyway). Doesn't really tie in with Dave Shaw's half a brain comments does it? ;D |
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Post by chrish on Dec 5, 2008 9:49:38 GMT
Its one of the more interesting things in football isn't it? The ups and downs of Football managers. It's funny to see this morning that the bookies favourite to replace Roy Keane at Sunderland is Sam Allardyce. Having said that there's also speculation that Niall Quinn wants to make him director of football and bring Sunderland born, Phil Brown from Hull City as Manager. Will Phil Brown give up his first successful Managerial post at Hull (he didn't have the best of times at Derby under trying circumstances) in order to manage his hometown club in the shadow of his former boss at Bolton. If he's got any sense, you feel, he'll stay at Hull until it gets towards a difficult stage somewhere during next season.
As Merse points out though, just like a player, you also as a manager have to maximise your own opportunities. For every Dario Gradi, Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger who've managed to stay and create footballing dynasties there are hundreds of managers whose stay of execution can be measured by weeks rather than years. Sometimes it can be measured in days! Speculation on the BBC website this morning suggests that newly appointed Watford manager Bredan Rodgers might be on the verge of quitting the club after being told that he must slash the squad's wage bill.
I can think of two managers who tried to maximise their own potential with differing results were Martin O'Neill and Mark McGhee.
Mark McGhee was appointed Leicester City manager in 1994, replacing Brian Little who'd left for the bigger pull of Aston Villa. He left Reading by doing the usual "resign and resurface at a club who's interested in you" ploy, after signing a long term contract with them. He then left Leicester in the following season to join Wolverhampton Wanderers. He of course did the same to Leicester what he'd done to Reading by walking out on them. After a largely unsuccesful spell at Wolves he then had a couple more jobs at Millwall and then at Brighton (He got the job Leroy showed "interest" in).
The man to replace McGhee at Leicester was Martin O'Neill who joined from Norwich after falling out with chairman Robert Chase. He was only there for 6 months after an excellent spell with getting Wycombe into the League. O'Neill of course then left Leicester to go to Celtic and now he's at Aston Villa, although he almost left both to go to Leeds.
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Post by rattz on Dec 5, 2008 11:10:14 GMT
We see an embittered individual on the other site promoting the theory of Buckle wishing to go and the club wishing to "cash in" on his contractual value (and citing discord between manager and CEO as the reason)..................it would give that individual huge and smug satisfaction seeing that happen as "retribution" for his and his site operator being told what to do with their sponsorship by the club last season (remember that?) Quite... you would have to wonder exactly what the reasoning is behind the last paragraph of the 12th post on this page. torquayunited.talkboards.net/index.php?action=thread&thread=1201782751&page=2Unless of course you already know.  |
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 16:00:22 GMT
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Post by nigep on Dec 5, 2008 16:08:37 GMT
My ideal scenario would be the Paul Buckle gets offered a more high profile job because of tangible success achieved with us - promotion to the football league.
He would then be in a position to compare us to other league 2 clubs who may be interested in him. With the backing of a board like ours, I imagine there would be several clubs he would not consider.
If he went to a much better club, we would thank him, wish him all the best and be pleased for him when he achieves further success. None of this 'Judas' nonsense.
In the meantime, several high calibre individuals would be interested in taking over. Win - Win! Ideal scenario.
I realise it will probably, eventually end in tears one way or another but wouldn't it be nice!
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 16:17:18 GMT
nigep I see no reason why things could not work out the way you would like it too, The facts are Bucks will not be going to Oxford, I trust Sean when he says that Bucks has the full backing of the board.
Bucks will stand a much better chance to further his dream of managing higher, if he took TUFC back to the league, I'm sure that is what will be first and foremost on his mind at this time.
The time will come when he moves on, I would hope it was after getting us up and as you say a bigger club moving in for him. Like all managers, if results went completely the wrong way, then he could also move on for that reason.
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Post by nigep on Dec 5, 2008 17:03:26 GMT
Dave, I hope so. I enjoy watching the progress of those that move on to ' bigger and better' things. Sometimes though, Managers are heroes one minute and villains the next. I always remember being pleased that Mike Green turned down a move to Bristol Rovers and the season after he was given the boot. And I bet Leroy wished he had walked after Southend.
As I said, if Bucks gets offered a significantly better job, then the chances are, we will be a league club at that time, everyone's a winner!
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 17:10:23 GMT
I hope so too Nige, but as we know from the past, some who move on to what they see as bigger and better things, often end up in tears. I was thinking about Hodges, had a great first season with us. Then at the last second he took the Plymouth job, but that did not last too long for him, before he was sacked.
I'm sure the history boys on here will remember more who left and fell at the next hurdle, thats why I think its best for Bucks, to get us up and that will make his CV look so much better.
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Post by Dave on Dec 21, 2008 14:29:16 GMT
I'm glad to see that Oxford have not appointed Chris Wilder as their new manager www.oufc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10342~1494958,00.html We will never really know for sure, if Bucks was ever in the frame for the Oxford job, despite some claiming it was nearly a done deal. That is not really important now, but what is,that with this appointment being made our manager can just concentrate on doing his job and hopefully taking the team back into div 2. Far too many claims have been made of late by some, claims that have come to nothing and ran the real risk of only causing harm, it may well have been done, just for that reason. We will soon be in our second half of the season, lets hope the club, team and the manager can be left just to get on with what they have to do and pray that some fools don't try and spoil the party. |
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Post by merse on Dec 21, 2008 15:39:49 GMT
Far too many claims have been made of late by some, claims that have come to nothing and ran the real risk of only causing harm, it may well have been done, just for that reason. We will soon be in our second half of the season, lets hope the club, team and the manager can be left just to get on with what they have to do and pray that some fools don't try and spoil the party.  Indeed, for whatever other reason would those claims have been made? Fools indeed, who wish to promote their own self perceived importance and "influence" at the expence of poisoning the marvellous atmosphere the manager paid tribute to when everyone pulled together to lift the team during a brief wobble in the 4-1 victory over long time unbeaten Histon. With everyone pulling together we can be a mighty force in this difficult league. Marginalising rather silly people who choose to keep the company of one who was urging OUR club to despatch the hugely successful Chris Zebrowski last season before he had even kicked a ball for us; merely to satisfy his own twisted agenda would be the best thing for OUR club right now. Be aware and stay alert. Aware that people like this don't easily give up and alert to the fact that they are STILL trying to infiltrate this site in order to spread their poison to the widest audience they can! |
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Post by rattz on Dec 22, 2008 0:31:10 GMT
Far too many claims have been made of late by some, claims that have come to nothing and ran the real risk of only causing harm, it may well have been done, just for that reason. We will soon be in our second half of the season, lets hope the club, team and the manager can be left just to get on with what they have to do and pray that some fools don't try and spoil the party. Indeed, for whatever other reason would those claims have been made? Fools indeed, who wish to promote their own self perceived importance and "influence" at the expence of poisoning the marvellous atmosphere the manager paid tribute to when everyone pulled together to lift the team during a brief wobble in the 4-1 victory over long time unbeaten Histon. With everyone pulling together we can be a mighty force in this difficult league. Marginalising rather silly people who choose to keep the company of one who was urging OUR club to despatch the hugely successful Chris Zebrowski last season before he had even kicked a ball for us; merely to satisfy his own twisted agenda would be the best thing for OUR club right now. Be aware and stay alert. Aware that people like this don't easily give up and alert to the fact that they are STILL trying to infiltrate this site in order to spread their poison to the widest audience they can! Unfortunately that muppet, is aspiring to be the lovechild of the Ignorant Janner Numpte. He's trying to learning his trade from that green slime on Exitweb, but can't realise that the person he's sucking up to the most will be the first to stab him in the back. I see he posted the full name of an Exeter supporter on Exitweb the other week, found fun in riddiculing the poster and also put a link to his facebook account, yet somehow had previously banned a poster on .net for just mentioning his name. Remind me who it was please? Smacks of double standards, don't ya think - and stinks worse than their sweaty get togethers at the Holiday Inn, Eastleigh. Yuck. |
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Post by Dave on Dec 22, 2008 17:51:35 GMT
rattz not wanting to ponder on this subject too long, but if what you say happened on Exweb, then I would agree about double standards.
Merse in the first few weeks of this forums life, put that persons name on here(he now knows not to do it again ;D) I then received all sorts of threats, that I was being reported to Proboards, with the hope they would shut this forum down. I will say no more about it.
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Post by merse on Dec 22, 2008 18:43:46 GMT
Merse in the first few weeks of this forums life, put that persons name on here(he now knows not to do it again ;D) I then received all sorts of threats, that I was being reported to Proboards, with the hope they would shut this forum down. I will say no more about it. That in a nutshell belies the attitude of buffoons who they think they can bluster their way and ride roughshod over people. They have an overblown opinion of their influence...............let's all be honest here and acknowledge that only just over one in ten fans of the club refer to these sites and let's be realistic and ask how a control freak nerd and his side kick EVER control what anyone does away from the site they run? Engaging in "banter" with other minority interest freaks who spend more time on other clubs' sites than their own leads to self delusional "summits" in hotels where further destructive intrusions onto sites which have nothing to do with them are planned...................rendering them little different than the old time "mobile phone generals" who used to encourage and organise brain dead thugs to meet and fight pre-match whilst they sat smugly in the pub up the road. Who do Sausage Geezer  and Pork Arse  think they are, latter day ICF merchants?  |
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