chelstongull
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 7, 2013 14:50:55 GMT
"Without Martin Rice, this game would have been over"
Dave Thomas
1550 - 07/09/13
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petef
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Post by petef on Sept 7, 2013 14:55:41 GMT
Fleetwood A Benchmark. Nail on head there Knilly!
’It’s a test for us and will be a good benchmark for us to see where we are. I think we’ve done quite well, when you look at the teams we’ve played so far.
Come on Knilly who are you kidding? Your sticking to your guns despite the obvious weaknesses and consistent underperforming.
Cant beat Hartlepool, Wimbledon, stuffed by a far superior Oxford side and one chink of light against struggling Northampton who should have been two or three up at half time. And now this week at Fleetwood where the homee side could easily have been 5 or 6 up by all accounts. Sorry mate , as much as I wanted a more attacking formation with flowing exciting football its just about having the opposite affect and is leaving us wide open with very weak midfield and a forward line that rarely threatens and rarely score.
Relegation fodder if we don't change or improve certain areas.
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Post by bristolgull on Sept 7, 2013 14:57:30 GMT
Could be a long second half unless there is to be a turnaround a la Northampton! A miracle needed.
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Post by stefano on Sept 7, 2013 15:00:09 GMT
Been a little barren up front but promising signs that something is going to click, and with our defence now forming an understanding which gets better with every game and Bodin away on international duty I can see only one result ..... Fleetwood Town 0 Torquay United 4  Amendment : Fleetwood Town 2 Torquay United 4 |
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Post by hullgull on Sept 7, 2013 15:23:34 GMT
Heckin fell......
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chelstongull
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 7, 2013 15:25:40 GMT
"Without Martin Rice, this game would have been over" Dave Thomas 1550 - 07/09/13 "A flap by Rice" and it's 3 nil to the Cod Army with two coming from corners.  Still Cheltenham, Northampton, Hartlepool and Accy losing. |
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Post by JamesB on Sept 7, 2013 15:35:40 GMT
There have been a couple of performances where we've deserved to get battered this season but haven't been. Can't say it hasn't been coming...
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Post by Swanny on Sept 7, 2013 15:37:12 GMT
As bad as we were last season, I think this season we look even worse! Apart from our defence, the rest of the team is just not functioning at all and the balance just seems all wrong. For example, why have 4 wingers in the squad if none of your strikers have no real physical prescence? And we have no striker who is decent at heading the ball. Unless Downes and Pearce come up we don't do anything at crosses. So if the wingers do get a decent cross in we probably would not do much with it anyway. Our central midfielders have very little creativity so just where are the goals going to come from?
I think Knill's honeymoon period must surely be at an end and questions will need to be asked. It's his responsibilty and to be quite frank he's made a right hash of things so far this season. Even the pre-season was a mess. Too few meaningful games and players brought in too late without any pre-season games in the hope things might work out - and they clearly have not!
Now back to the commentary for any sort of glimmer of hope...
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Post by stefano on Sept 7, 2013 15:39:12 GMT
Been a little barren up front but promising signs that something is going to click, and with our defence now forming an understanding which gets better with every game and Bodin away on international duty I can see only one result ..... Fleetwood Town 0 Torquay United 4 Amendment : Fleetwood Town 2 Torquay United 4 2nd Amendment: Fleetwood Town 3 Torquay United 4. If we carry on like this we will only get a point!  |
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Post by bristolgull on Sept 7, 2013 15:51:20 GMT
Clearly a bad day at the office. It would be easy to catastrophise our start, say we're doomed, relegation fodder etc. Truth is we are very early in the season and yes the performances haven't been as good as we hoped but let us have some perspective. I don't think anybody has, but we can't write the season off based on 6 games. I'm sure Knill and Brass can see the problems and changes will be made, loans in and out etc. Knill doesn't strike me as somebody who shys away from difficult decisions and there are certainly ones to be made in the coming weeks...
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petef
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Post by petef on Sept 7, 2013 15:54:33 GMT
3-1 Benners scores even with splinters in his arse oh hang on I turned away for a second 4-1
A pathetic work in progress.
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Post by Swanny on Sept 7, 2013 15:55:37 GMT
The trouble is Knill is around the top of his budget already so will we really see many changes? I suggest send Ball back for starters and get a loan striker who has physical prescence and can head a ball. Oh I forgot and a striker who might score the odd goal would help as well!
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Post by mike on Sept 7, 2013 16:02:12 GMT
The trouble is Knill is around the top of his budget already so will we really see many changes? I suggest send Ball back for starters and get a loan striker who has physical prescence and can head a ball. Oh I forgot and a striker who might score the odd goal would help as well! Knill also needs to accept that the league days of Mansell and Nicholson are just about over |
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Post by JamesB on Sept 7, 2013 16:28:04 GMT
Hawley and Ball are both capable of getting plenty of goals. The problem is service. Chapell was great against Northampton but teams have cottoned on to that since and shut him out of the game, and there's no creativity aside from that, with a particular dearth from the middle because it was always intended that all our creativity would come from the flanks
People here in the past have suggested that "all we need to do is get it to a winger, cross it into a big man and we'll score goals". This is why that doesn't work any more
Without wanting to be the one preaching about one set of tactics being the "right" way, I'd say that with our current squad, we need to play 3 central midfielders: Lathrope holding, Harding box-to-box, Craig as the creator. Put Ball wide left (the guy can cross the ball and is deceptively quick when he gets going), Chapell wide right, and have Hawley on his own through the middle. That way we can control the midfield and have creativity from a number of different areas on the pitch. I know people want 4-4-2 and old school tactics but they're out of date and we're going to get relegated if we keep playing that way. The Northampton game showed this - when we abandoned the long ball stuff, we looked great
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petef
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Post by petef on Sept 7, 2013 16:35:48 GMT
The trouble is Knill is around the top of his budget already so will we really see many changes? I suggest send Ball back for starters and get a loan striker who has physical prescence and can head a ball. Oh I forgot and a striker who might score the odd goal would help as well! Knill also needs to accept that the league days of Mansell and Nicholson are just about over From what I have seen so far Knill has been building his squad around Mansell and Nicholson. Both untouchable in the selection stakes though I would add that the players he has brought in to "improve" the poor squad he inherited are looking no better or even worse than what we have released and that is a very real worry and concern for me. Its only when players have gone do we truly realise whether they were an asset or a liability. Howe for example held the whole act together many times and won games for us week after week. No one has come anywhere near what he gave us so far this season. Ball for all his huff and puff and drifting in and out of games is not the answer, its no good playing half a game at a time we need more than anything players that are totally committed. Cameron is a luxury and not producing is he better or more productive than Danny Stevens. Or Tonge a far better player than Oastler? Harding has done absoloutly nothing to warrant a two year contract and if it wasn't for all the promises of first team football that knill is bound to have offered him along with that lengthy contract he would be the first one I would dropping. Chapell, Pearce and maybe Hawley if he can get some service are the only bright spots for me. Did Knill and Brass really do there homework on this lot or did they just end up just signing the players that were willing to come to "lovely" Torquay? Somebody tell them that they havent come jere for a holiday or to bloody retire! We are in danger once again of getting in that rut with all of us hoping that there will be two clubs who perform and are worse than us over the season. It will be interesting to see how th management team reacts to yet another poor start and overall performance but one things for sure we simply cannot continue persisting with tactics and formations that leaves a good defense exposed and offers bugger all going forward. |
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