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Post by Enzo on Nov 30, 2008 19:43:33 GMT
I can understand that four games in a week is pushing it, but in my opinion it would be a real shame to move a New Years Day derby. By moving to a Tuesday we may well lose 1000 people.
I have not seen what DT has had to say, but we were always scheduled to play Burton Albion on the 3rd anyway.........which would have involved a hefty journey in addition. Have I got it wrong or were we always due to have this backlog? I know Blackpool will have even more of an advantage, having not played on the 1st, but why not just move back to Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2008 19:58:06 GMT
Must confess it's only the little hint from Dave Thomas about a possible postponement that even got me thinking about the likelihood. Is this guesswork on DT's behalf, him embellishing his "fixture chaos" story of last week - or has there been a tip from within the club? Ah, the mysteries of local football reporting...
I guess because it's Blackpool at home there is more chance of pushing for a Sunday and cashing in on a decent New Year crowd against Weymouth in addition. A big away tie - with the home club not budging from the Saturday - would have probably meant trying to get the Thursday game being postponed (especially as we would have been quids in anyway).
Mind you as soon as I type this I can see the opposite argument as well...
It's the sort of thing where there's either going to be internal agreement - or disagreement - and the opposition presumably gets a say as well. And what about the Conference itself? The league has the choice between giving member clubs as much help as they want in the cup or defending the fixture list on one of the best-attended days of the season.
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Post by merse on Nov 30, 2008 19:59:57 GMT
Dave Thomas may have a point about it being postponed. The Football League and the Premier League are not playing this New Year's Day because of the FA Cup. I think we'll push for the postponement. I think those anticipating a postponement of the New Years' Day fixture are on thin ice because in their "wisdom" the BSP do not consider the liklihood of the Third round of the FA Cup as a major disruptive factor of their fixture list.................hence, we would have been at Burton had we not been involved in the FA Cup. There is no way a postponement of that fixture would have been entertained (apart from the obvious Setanta coverage that should have happened but didn't), so why will the Blackpool one? Why should Blackpool agree to even a 24hour postponement just to help their opponents in what is already a hiding to nothing for them...........................turkeys don't vote for Christmas, even the naive red necks in America didn't vote for Palin for God's sake! If we progress in the two cup competitions we would want to be in (Cup & Trophy), we face playing only two BSP games in January - home to Wrexham and away to Lewes - and even those two could fall foul to perfectly feasible replay requirements. In fact the Wrexham date of Jan 15th has TWO chances of being lost as the 13th is the designated time for replays in both cup and trophy, so the idea of a New Years Day postponement is even more unlikely! Indeed, there is every chance of Wrexham at home returning to it's original Saturday 17th slot. We need the income, we welcome the cup" glory" but it all adds up to a huge demand on the squad, management and supporters' pockets!
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Post by David Graham's Eighth Pint on Nov 30, 2008 20:00:29 GMT
We were always scheduled to play Burton Albion on the 3rd anyway.........which would have involved a hefty journey in addition. Have I got it wrong or were we always due to have this backlog? I know Blackpool will have even more of an advantage, having not played on the 1st, but why not just move back to Sunday. Indeed. Forget what I wrote. I'm having an absolute 'mare today! EDIT: What Merse said...
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Post by Enzo on Nov 30, 2008 20:17:42 GMT
Bring it on! Back for only two weeks at Christmas and get to see 5 games. Four at home and the one away game is only two hours up the road. Can we not squeeze a game in between Histon on the 20th and Weymouth on Boxing Day!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2008 20:22:07 GMT
Well, Merse, I take your point and also add that one of my first rules of watching football is to try to put the boot on the other foot. And if I supported Blackpool, I'd certainly want the game at Plainmoor to be played on the Saturday....
As we saw with yesterday's postponement at Grays, the Conference doesn't factor in the FA Cup second round when scheduling fixtures. They must have made a strong decision to go for a New Year's fixture list - especially as, in non-league, the differential between ordinary crowds and Christmas/New Year attendances seems to be greater than in the Football League. The usual policy is that the local derby takes place at these times.
The Conference, in its "wisdom" as you describe it, has made a fair few decisions in recent years to put stress on the fixture list: expanding the league to 24 clubs; introducing play-offs; bringing back a league cup competition. As hinted in other posts, these pile-ups are to be expected and are normal for the Conference. We saw that last season with the number of games played after 1 March. To an extent we're all in it together and - when Wenger or Ferguson moans about "inhuman fixture chaos torture" - you've just got to shrug your shoulders about the price of success. It was ever thus - but that Setanta Shield is a bugger, isn't it?
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Post by merse on Nov 30, 2008 21:00:50 GMT
The Conference, in its "wisdom" as you describe it, has made a fair few decisions in recent years to put stress on the fixture list: expanding the league to 24 clubs; introducing play-offs; bringing back a league cup competition. As hinted in other posts, these pile-ups are to be expected and are normal for the Conference. We saw that last season with the number of games played after 1 March. To an extent we're all in it together Well, my putting "wisdom" in inverted commas wasn't an error as you must realise. Last year the idiot chief Executive "forgot" to factor the play offs into the fixture list, causing the last Saturday of the season to become a midweek date for ALL clubs; got the bullet and subsequently metamorphosed as the Chairman of Ebbsfleet...............yes, the "Ongar Lino" one Mr John Moules.The same Mr Moules of whom I'm stillwaiting for a reply to my email enquiring just why I was lied to by his stewards and denied being able to sit in one of several hundred empty seats when we played his team off the park at their scrapyard "stadium" (thought I'd better use inverted commas again ) I'll be generous to him here and assume he's probably waiting for the monthly "bored" meeting to authorise the expense of a second class stamp so that he can "email" me back! Although the product on the park is little different to League 2, and as the cup results show produce cutting edge teams every bit as good if not better than them. The reality is that being non league immediately exposes clubs to the vagaries of "blazers" who think nothing of demanding that players turn out far more often than is sensible in a condensed period and far too often for the poor old fan to afford without sacrificing the odd game to financial necessity. The BSP spend years lobbying for that extra promotion spot, yet habitually insist on making things as nigh impossible as it is for clubs to achieve that place!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2008 21:35:37 GMT
Ah yes, the Saturday trip to Cambridge that became a Tuesday night - and the chance to enjoy a very pleasant, but rather over-priced B&B on the Newmarket Road.
Wasn't the official "explanation" something to do with the FA's failure to "clarify" the availability of Wembley in "sufficient time" prior to the drawing up of the fixtures?
Now we have a 46-game league that finishes a week earlier than the others.
At this rate we'll be playing at Burton in the morning, Blackpool at home in the evening....
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Post by stuartB on Nov 30, 2008 22:23:11 GMT
So, Blackpool at home. I'm disappointed to be honest because it's not a massive team and it's also a match I can't see us winning (a la Brighton last year). Argyle got Arsenal away, fair play to them. I think I may look into going to that one. Really pleased for Barrow, they deserved a Premiership away draw. [glow=red,2,300]Edit: My name appears to have changed colour! How on Earth did I win that?! ;D[/glow] All to do with being poster of the week - well done, thoroughly deserved
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Post by tufc01 on Dec 1, 2008 0:11:39 GMT
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Post by chrish on Dec 1, 2008 6:29:39 GMT
So, Blackpool at home. I'm disappointed to be honest because it's not a massive team and it's also a match I can't see us winning (a la Brighton last year). Argyle got Arsenal away, fair play to them. I think I may look into going to that one. Really pleased for Barrow, they deserved a Premiership away draw. Edit: My name appears to have changed colour! How on Earth did I win that?! ;D You're lucky. Dave R has changed mine to Pink, and I don't bat for the other side. ;D
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Post by papalazarou on Dec 1, 2008 11:06:42 GMT
Not the best draw was hoping for an away day but we have to do our best with what we got. If we ask nicely do you think argyle might fancy a swap?!
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Post by gandalfgull on Dec 1, 2008 12:15:35 GMT
I think this draw could be turned into something if the club 'market' it well. Something along the lines of battle of the seaside resorts, get the HE involved and drum up some support. I see that we are the team considered to go furthest in the cup out of the non league teams, even after the draw.
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Post by Dave on Dec 1, 2008 16:27:46 GMT
While some fans may be disappointed with the draw, the story in the HE states that Bucks is really pleased with it, because its a home tie that we stand a chance of winning.
He also feels it has a good chance of being a televised match, due the possibility of there being a giant killing, not to sure the TV company's would want to cover our game, but if they did, it would sure bring in some extra funds.
Its words like giant killing,when referred to Blackpool, that bring home just how far we have slipped over the years recently, still we know as a club we are now going in the right way.
A couple of good seasons for us and a another bad one for Blackpool and we could be playing them in league fixtures again, that is why I really want all our effort put into promotion and not worry to much about some of the cups we are still in. FA cup and the Vase being the exception, the rest I hope we go out as soon as possible.
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Post by Dave on Dec 1, 2008 16:32:55 GMT
So, Blackpool at home. I'm disappointed to be honest because it's not a massive team and it's also a match I can't see us winning (a la Brighton last year). Argyle got Arsenal away, fair play to them. I think I may look into going to that one. Really pleased for Barrow, they deserved a Premiership away draw. Edit: My name appears to have changed colour! How on Earth did I win that?! ;D You're lucky. Dave R has changed mine to Pink, and I don't bat for the other side. ;D The colour PINK Chris was more for that romfordkev, as I'm still not to sure about him, still its a nice pink don't you think
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