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Post by Dave on Nov 29, 2008 8:32:22 GMT
What targets or movements do you think we may see when the January transfer window opens?
I think first and foremost we need to get a keeper tied down, so we can tackle the second half of the season, safe in the knowledge, we won't risk having the loan keeper recalled.
I have already said I would prefer that we signed Bevan, but we all know that Poke is a good keeper and one very much for the future, so I would not be disappointed, if he signed and not Bevan.
While I have always felt we need a proper right back, Mansell is doing a good job there and if a right back was our target, where would we play Mansell? With Hargreaves and Wroe almost picking themselves for the midfield places and Thompson who seems to be picked for most games, Mansell may find it hard to get a start.
I would rather him carry on playing at right back, his energy and work rate is first class and would be missed from the team, if he did not play.
I know people say our fringe players are happy and all working hard in training etc, but I would not be surprised if the likes of Green or Adams asked for a transfer in the January transfer window.These are players who want to play football and really are getting little or no opportunities at the club, at this time.
With Sills, Benyon and Dsane, plus with Green if he does not move anywhere, I feel we have good cover up front, so unless we got offered a 25 goal a season forward, then I see not reason to look to add to our forward line.
Midfield as we know is very well covered, so once again no need to bring in any new midfield players, but as I said maybe we could see one or even two, looking to move on.
Defense is one area that maybe we could look to bring in a new player, but Woods is playing well, we will have Robertson back soon and do not be surprised to see Chris Todd play some part still in this season. Maybe one extra defender, just to offer a bit more cover, should Woods or Ellis get injured or suspended, would be all I would think we need to do.
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Post by merse on Nov 29, 2008 9:01:02 GMT
What targets or movements do you think we may see when the January transfer window opens? 1- I think first and foremost we need to get a keeper tied down, 2- While I have always felt we need a proper right back, Mansell is doing a good job there and if a right back was our target, where would we play Mansell? 3- Defense is one area that maybe we could look to bring in a new player, 1- This is and has been a "work in progress" since last May! 2- We already have a proper right back, you mentioned him! Mansell has played many times there, and now that the midfield is functioning properly; there is neither room nor need for him there. Maybe there could be a chance for a youngster from the Youth Scheme to "come through and understudy" in the Setanta Shield..................you can't repeatedly post about the perceived "cash problems" you envisage and then promote the idea of adding to the wage bill! By the same score, don't equate the way good pro's like Adams, Brough and Green cope with not getting much playing time with the way play for fun amatuers seek to move on when they don't get a game..............it's part and parcel of being a pro' and something they will have experienced before at previous clubs. Maybe a month out on loan for selected squad members might be the order of the day next year to enable them to get "cranked up" for the final run in, but don't forget that the cup tie today with it's "seven on the bench" facility gives Bucks the opportunity to circumnavigate the eligibility requirements for the Setanta Shield on Tuesday. 3- The long term loss of Todd does need addressing, although when I was at Forest Green there was plenty of informed opinion that centre back was indeed Brough's strongest performance area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2008 9:44:57 GMT
I'd concur with the points made in this thread regarding certain positions but suspect it'll be a quiet window for Torquay United. This is partly because we're in a strong position; also because the January window tends to be a damp squib when compared with the wonderfully feverish speculation that precedes it. Eventually it either amounts to a bit of tinkering by those doing reasonably well or desperate moves by the desperate.
Perhaps the fun is in the speculation, just as it is said it is better to travel than arrive. I smile at those "Ins and Outs?" features in the papers where player X (of whom I've never heard) is variously listed as a possible "in" at Newcastle for £10m; at Bolton for an extended loan and at Sunderland for a straight swap with the groundsman's dog. Great stuff that gets chins wagging, uses up newsprint and oils the "annual season".
As for ourselves, last year was pretty dramatic wasn't it? Tully, Moxey, Mackie, Gill....
You couldn't make it up, could you? (well you could actually...). Great fun...keep 'em coming (anybody for Steve Tully this year?).
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Nov 29, 2008 9:55:10 GMT
I think that Brough and Adams are not likely to be too willing to stay here so I could see either of them going. Perhaps Brough has'nt had a fair chance but he was very poor in pre season and I would'nt be too dissapointed if he went elsewhere for first team football. Adams on the otherhand, I think, is a quality passer but he perhaps lacks the phsical game or the fitness levels to play regular first team football here. I would like him to stay here but I can see him moving on. I would'nt want to see Green go just yet because he is a very useful player to have on the bench. I can see him sticking it out here for the rest of the season anyway because he has had, and will have, chances to impress.
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Post by merse on Nov 29, 2008 11:47:53 GMT
I'd say we have more in common with Aldershot and Exeter (who were both last season's ultimately successful clubs) this season than the one who brought in Adams, Banim and the young keeper from Reading to the partial disruption of the squad last season. Not that additions weren't needed, but clubs like the Shots and City who had already "sorted" their squads pre-season in much the same we have this time were able to carry on regardless as their squads matured and that's where I see us this season.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Nov 29, 2008 11:57:31 GMT
Yep - I'm with Barton Downs on this. Surely it will be a quiet January on the transfer front. Despite the fact that the "prize" of promotion to League 2 is on offer, I don't think that there will be the clubs at this level that are willing to raise the stakes and bring-in additional players at great cost to bulk-up their squads.
That is certainly what it feels like Merse. The critisism that Tisdale received after a slow start last season is similar to the vitriol that Bucks received. Even they suffered some bad results through the tail-end of the season where the fans doubted them, but they steadily improved throughout the season and we all know what happend in the end. I suppose it's a cliche that managers learn more about their players on a bad run than they do on a good run. Pulling-through at the begining of the season is IMHO one of the biggest acheievements of Bucks TUFC career to date.
I haven't heard anything to suggest that there is anything but an excellent team spirit. I suspect that Adams is happy to bide his time. He came down here instead of taking a contract (shorter, admittedly) from Swindon Town as he wanted to return to the area. One player mentioned by players like Hargreaves, Wroe, Bevans and Bucks (most importantly) Bucks is Brough. He played a good number of matches at Notts County and has experience at this level - and he is still young enough to progress. Given that we have the squad size that we do (and hopefully we don't have an exodus in January) then it is inevitible that players will have a chance to establish themselves as first team choices. We've seen it with Wroe, TT, Roscoe, Carayol, Hodges, Stevens, Robertson (until the injury) and Woods - it looked like they were out of the first team picture for a while - but they have worked at getting back-in. They've stepped-up to be key players in a team on a fabulous run - for sure we will have "sticky patches", but we have other players ready to come-in and will know that they have to work at keeping their place. Could there be any bigger incentive?
You can now look at EVERY position on the pitch and there is not a position that cannot be replaced from within the squad (the only tenuous one is Robertson or Brough at right-back). The team more or less seemed to pick itself in 75% of positions last season when everyone was fit. Hargreaves, Mansell and Todd are the only players that have not missed a game when they were fit to play this season- where last season people could take the cheap shot that "Bucks only picks his favorites", it is an accusation that only the most deliberately contraversial person could make. Even Sills has been on the bench this season, totally unthinkable last season.
With respect to Wring, Mullings, Hockley, Hinshelwood and Rice- they are not a patch on the back-up we have now. I wouldn't look to bring any other players into the team unless there are injuries in key positions.
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Post by andygulls on Nov 29, 2008 12:41:55 GMT
Agree that it is likely to be a quite January. (Goalkeeper aside). I have little doubt that if PB felt the right player was available AND the funding was also present then he would make a move. It's just that I cannot see this combination of circumstance being in place. It's not always a bad thing to strengthen when you are going well. However I have to agree that the squad we have this season has significantly more depth than last seasons version.
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 10:28:40 GMT
The window will be open very soon and there seems mixed views over some of our players and questions asked, if we need to make some changes for the second half of the season.
One question is who is the better player to start up front with Sills, Benyon or Green and the second question is, can one or the other score the goals we will need to try and win promotion.
Yet another question is about our wingers and can they supply the balls into the box that the likes of Sills needs, as heading is a big part of his game. Yes we would all like for Bucks to go and get us a 20+ goal a season player, to try and get out of this BSP league, but would we find one in January? could we even afford one on the very poor gates we have had this season.
I understand some of the reasons gates have been low, but I also know that any club or business has to cut the clothe according to its width. The club just can't keep paying out more than it gets in and like it or not, the stay aways all play their part in decisions that get forced on the club, due to reduced income.
The good news is, we have now got a top keeper on an 18 month contract, so we will not have the problems we had in the second half of last season. Carlisle took awhile at the start of the season, to get his game going, he has been out for a while and I believe he will soon be back at his best.
Stevens needs to be played on the right hand side, but then where would Carlisle play? Stevens is not a left winger and due to his size will always struggle to get past defenders out wide and deliver good balls into Sills. Dsane has done OK playing out on the wing and he does find himself in the box more than others who have played on the left wing, we have seem goals from Dsane in recent games, playing in that position.
We have a few players who must now believe that they will not feature in Bucks plans this season, players who like any other player, wants to be playing football and not just a name in a squad list. I would not be surprised, if the likes of Ellis and Adams, put in a transfer request, I would be disappointed to see Ellis go, as I do feel he has so much potential.
Saying that if we did reduce our wage bill, by letting a few go in the transfer window, as long as were able to get in a decent winger and a goal scorer, I would not be unhappy. Its all about the second half of the season, trying to get out of this horrible league and now is not the time for sentiment, but having a team that can get us back where I still feel we really belong.
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Post by NickGull on Dec 29, 2008 10:39:26 GMT
Now Bevans signed, the goalie position is done with.
I still feel that we could do with another striker, as I think we rely too much on Tim Sills and his aerial ability. I also feel we could do with an out and out left winger, someone like Andy Sandell from Salisbury, as I don't feel Stevens and Carayol aren't good enough in that position.
I also feel we rely way to much on Kevin Nicholson's long throws, as thats all we seem to create chances with.
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Post by andygulls on Dec 29, 2008 18:07:47 GMT
Saying that if we did reduce our wage bill, by letting a few go in the transfer window, as long as were able to get in a decent winger and a goal scorer, I would not be unhappy. Its all about the second half of the season, trying to get out of this horrible league and now is not the time for sentiment, but having a team that can get us back where I still feel we really belong. and to think you doubted my opinion on this at the start of the season Dave!!
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 18:42:26 GMT
Saying that if we did reduce our wage bill, by letting a few go in the transfer window, as long as were able to get in a decent winger and a goal scorer, I would not be unhappy. Its all about the second half of the season, trying to get out of this horrible league and now is not the time for sentiment, but having a team that can get us back where I still feel we really belong. and to think you doubted my opinion on this at the start of the season Dave!! Andy I would never doubt your opinions, they are yours, but we did not agree about where the goals would come from. You felt it was going to be a problem and it did look that way. We did after that start scoring goals and went on a long unbeaten run. Tell me who halfway through a season and near the top, would not be happy to get a 25 ago season striker playing the second half of the season. As I said we all want the same thing in the end and that is to get back to being a league team.
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Post by Rob on Dec 29, 2008 19:51:45 GMT
Out on loan: Green and Carayol/Stevens In on loan: Ashley Barnes and Dan Smith (Argyle via Eastbourne)
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 19:55:07 GMT
Out on loan: Green and Carayol/Stevens In on loan: Ashley Barnes and Dan Smith (Argyle via Eastbourne) Rob you want Green out on loan? let him have a decent run in the side mate, I like who you would like to bring in, but can't see that happening.
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Post by Rob on Dec 29, 2008 19:59:39 GMT
Yes Dave. Hopefully he can find his shooting boots and come back with a swagger and a goal or two under his belt. Am not sure why we could not get Barnes, having had him here earlier in the season.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Dec 29, 2008 21:49:42 GMT
I suppose the most important thing is to be realistic. I cannot see us pushing the boat-out any further than we already have - the crowds are disappointing, the board are surely suffering in their professional walks of life and we already have a sizeable squad.
I would think that the return to availability of Toddy (hopefully the news about his spleen and the progress of his treatment will be more excellent news) over the next month or two adds more options at the back. I'd just be grateful to see him fit, but I'm sure with his attitude he will be giving everything he has to win his place back. I think that means that Ellis could be available for loan / transfer - which I think is a shame as he has so much potential. I feel that Robertson being on the bench shows that he is the choice of defensive back-up with Bucks at the moment. I don't see any teams coming-in for any of our fringe players that we would be prepared to move-out - although perhaps FGR will bite the bullet and bring-back Brough? Adams seems destined to spend the rest of his TUFC career on the sidelines as things stand. I'm surprised to see Caroyol mentioned as a player that might be worth loaning-out, however I do agree, his form as of late has dipped dramatically since his bloody technicolour dreamboots appeared!
Green will remain a TUFC player - he is showing the sort of improvement that suggests he has some real ability. He is a young player and we need to have him around to work on him so he starts to give a return on the investment that we have made.
I cannot see any additional players come-in. The return to form by Carlisle will be like having a new player though! He's got real class and I'm sure that he will show some of the form that he showed before his injury.
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