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Post by Dave on Nov 17, 2008 16:06:14 GMT
We all know the saying, that action speaks louder than words, some say to do the talk, you have to be able to do the walk, but this threads title is, results speak louder than words and for a good reason.
Never once in the early part of this season, have I asked that Bucks get sacked, I like many complained about his decision making at that time and I also made my views clearly known, about the cost of some of Bucks decisions in our play off games against Exeter.
Some of the best views I read on the forum at that time, were the views of Enzo, he has no axe to grind, wants the team to do well, but was not afraid to air his views of what he felt at that time were Bucks failings.
Now fans like Enzo and myself will always give praise where it is due and tomorrow night, Bucks and his team could break the record, for the longest run without defeat. He rightly should get heaps of praise, but are there some, still holding back.
Merse has before made reference to the on line Herald Express sports page, now when we were losing games, the site was getting so many replies, most demanding that Bucks should go.Yet during this great run, you would be luckily to see as many as two replies for any of the match reports etc.
Surly there are not some fans who really want things to go the other way? start to lose games again, so they can get writing on the Herald site again?Well I have to say there may well be, because why are they not writing on there now and giving the praise Bucks deserves.
It has always been my view, that it is fine to criticize and complain, if you feel it is justified to do so, but you must then be prepared to give the praise when its due.Now is the time for for the praise and I would hope that we see many posts made on the Herald site, if and when we break the club record.
I know we have the darksiders and the happy clappers, I fall in the middle I think, but it now should be the time the happy clappers can really shout and make some noise and let everyone know, that the good times are here, well they are for now, so enjoy them while they last.
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Post by witneygull on Nov 17, 2008 16:58:45 GMT
Absolutely, our recent run seems a world away from the Crawley display!
Long may it continue.
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Post by joebarlow on Nov 17, 2008 17:18:22 GMT
I think that the run we are on is great, and I really want to us to get the record tomorrow.
What Bucks needs to do as I think he is always doing is to take each game one at a time. The Northwich is the game that I think was the catalyst for the run and thanks to that last minute penalty it was the start of something great.
What we need to do is to win and keep winnning in this record as we will have a tough few weeks over christmas. I have faith in the team and will be there tomorrow hopefully watching history unfold.
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Post by daveshaw on Nov 18, 2008 11:41:09 GMT
Dave, as you say, results speak louder than words. There really isn't anything to moan about. We're about to go top of the table after an excellent run of results. That's all any of us want. However, let's keep the pressure on Buckle to make sure he doesn't feck it up like he did last season.
We had a great run before xmas and then it went pear shaped. He's paid to get us out of this division and when he achieves it he will deserve every praise. Until then he's got a job to do. Personally the "record" means nothing to me. I would swap it now for promotion. After all it's being achieved in a pub league not division 2 so bares no comparison to other records set.
It's all about results and the only one that counts is promotion. If we start back slapping now then the danger is we take our foot off the gas. Buckle has only just got us back on track, nothing more. There's still a lot of work to do.
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Post by Rob on Nov 18, 2008 13:24:38 GMT
It's not a Pub League, though, is it. And what do you mean by "let's keep the pressure on Buckle"?
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Post by capitalgull on Nov 18, 2008 13:29:01 GMT
Completely agree with you Rob - just look at what has happened to the team that finished 4th in the Pub League last season...sad to say it looks as if they are holding their own (the odd result apart) in the Champagne League that is Division 4/3/League Two
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Post by daveshaw on Nov 18, 2008 13:50:37 GMT
Rob, what's so difficult to understand? Buckle screwed it up last season thro making poor decisions and tactical mistakes. What's the problem with being put under pressure in a results based competition? Isn't that the point? He's paid well to take the plaudits and carry our high hopes. I'm sure Buckle can take it or he wouldn't be in the job in the first place.
As for it not being a pub league, yeah right. We really want to be playing Lewes et al every week! Laughable. Ask fans of the other ex league teams if they're happy down here below the basement.
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Post by Rob on Nov 18, 2008 14:10:46 GMT
I don't dispute that we would rather be in League 2 and that in the lottery of the play-offs we were beaten last year - and all the arguments that go with that.
I still don't particularly understand what you meant by "let's keep the pressure on Buckle", which was my question, as opposed to whether Buckle can take pressure. Exactly in what form are you advocating this?
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Post by daveshaw on Nov 18, 2008 15:26:05 GMT
Every manager of a club has the fans expectations on his shoulders. Now that is pressure. We should be free to debate, question and analyse his tactics. Make our expectations known and recognised. Last season he fell short after xmas after an excellent start. That cannot be allowed to happan again. If we can point out obvious shortfalls as we did last season but were ignored. Then it is our responsibility to make it known this time. Now, this presumes he may make the same mistakes again which may not be the case. Let's hope he's got it sussed. But if not, we should not be afraid to voice our opinion.
To be honest, i'm not sure just how much we can bring to bare. It's only thro forums like this that our thoughts can be aired. Whether he takes any notice or even reads our opinions is doubtful. As was shown by his failures last season. One hopes there are voices within the club that would note fans concerns and act on them where necessary.
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Post by Dave on Nov 18, 2008 17:43:00 GMT
Dave I don't think we will ever be afraid to voice our views, I do wish you had answered my last question to you, maybe you will in your next post.
To refresh your memory, you stated that this was a make or break season for the club, I asked why would that be? If we do not go up our club will not end, it may have to make some changes, reduce its budget for the next season, nothing else would happen to it.
Do you not think that our results of late, show that Bucks has learned from his mistakes, but he is only human and will make more before the seasons over.
I really fail to understand how you call the BSP a pub league, if that was the case with the players we have, we would have already wrapped up the title by now. I do fear that even if Bucks remains mistake free, that the team does all that is asked of it, yet fails to go up, you will simply lay all the blame on Bucks.
Other teams are fighting to go as well, the team is now doing well, but this is football and nothing comes with any guarantee.
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Post by Jon on Nov 18, 2008 17:53:10 GMT
I still don't particularly understand what you meant by "let's keep the pressure on Buckle", It's quite simple Rob. Buckle is exceptionally stupid and thought it was a good idea to lose football matches. Fortunately for us, our man in Thailand put him under pressure to revert to a policy of winning football matches. The results of this pressure campaign are clear to see. If this pressure is allowed to slip, the idiot Buckle will revert to type and go back to his preferred policy of losing football matches. If that happens we will never escape the hell of playing pub teams like Oxford, Cambridge, Wrexham, Mansfield and York. We will never again mix it with the big boys like Dagenham, Morecambe, Accrington Stanley and Barnet. If we do keep Bucks under sufficient pressure to realise our dreams, there will be a downside as Merse has alluded to. No more Setanta coverage and no more press coverage in the Pub League Paper or Pub League Today. Given Setanta's interest in pub football, maybe we could get them to cover the Torbay Combination next season? Just imagine - Torquay v Rochdale at 3pm on a Saturday, and then Boots & Laces v John Bull with expert analysis from Paul Parker on Sunday morning. Perfect. |
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Post by merse on Nov 19, 2008 4:17:21 GMT
let's keep the pressure on Buckle to make sure he doesn't feck it up like he did last season. We had a great run before xmas and then it went pear shaped. He's paid to get us out of this division and when he achieves it he will deserve every praise. Until then he's got a job to do. . It's all about results and the only one that counts is promotion.  Who the feck do you think you are saying "keep the pressure on"?Do you not think that the manager puts himself under enormous pressure? Do you suspect he's not fully motivated, dedicated or ambitious enough? Do you really think that managing a professional football club is simply about winning promotion to the detriment of constantly developing the infrastructure of the club, to overseeing the production and welfare of all the youth players at the club, to observing and adapting to the progress of rival clubs? or to keeping abreast of emerging possible new talent that the club can tap into? I don't really think you've got a clue as to how a manager and his football club operate Dave. thank god we haven't got someone like you on the board or (for heaven's sake) in a position of influence or decision as to how OUR football club is run! My, you even seem to be suffering the delusion that the BSP is not THE hardest and THE statistically most difficult league to win promotion from by referring to it as a"Pub League"! |
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Post by Rob on Nov 19, 2008 8:13:32 GMT
Cheers Jon. That all seems perfectly reasonable.  |
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Post by daveshaw on Nov 19, 2008 11:19:58 GMT
Jon, you are hilarious mate. Your post is of course not worth a reply.
Merse you sound just like the Bateson apologists that got us in this dump of a league. You can take what i said out of context if you like as it suits your purpose. You do have a track record of....erm...backing the wrong horse.
Dave, Yes it is make or break. If we don't get out this season then i'm afraid we will be stuck here. The financial constraints due to lower crowds etc will make it inevitable. Some of the posts on here are staggering in their happy clappy, everything will be wonderful fluffy bunny world. NO, it won't. We have to get out of this league this season or we will be condemned to lower atts, lower revenue and a reduced team. So it is essential to keep the pressure on Buckle as fans. Demand that he gets us out. He blew it last season, while the apologists sat back and let it happen. So you can take your share of responsibility if you like.
Buckle is handsomely paid to take the pressure and get us out of this league. I'm sure he can take it better than you think. He is under no illussion of what is at stake this season.
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Post by capitalgull on Nov 19, 2008 11:22:05 GMT
Try reading the end of the press conference thread Dave and then just go away!
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