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Post by Budleigh on Nov 16, 2009 16:41:14 GMT
An unusual Practice Match programme from August 1934Season 1933/34 was extremely poor with Torquay only just managing to keep out of the re-election places and it was obvious that some new players were needed to bolster the squad. As a consequence manager Frank Brown brought in ten new faces and played a public practice match at Plainmoor of 'Whites' versus 'Stripes' on the 18th of August 1934. With so many fresh faces in the game the new boys had their former club given in brackets after the respective name on the single sheet programme, shown below. Of the ten who played nine went on to make various appearances with the club, only Baird from Bangor of the Irish League seems to have slipped away. One player of interest in this match is Les Lievesley who had two claims to fame, one unfortunate and one tragic. The previous season he had the distinction of being the first United player to be sent-off in a league match during the Boxing Day game at Swindon. Then in later life, as a coach to the Torino team after the war, he was one of the 31 fatalities in the Superga Air Disaster in which the whole all-conquering Torino team was wiped out on the 4th of May 1949. The reverse side of the programme shows an advert for the 'Football Buff' the Torbay Football Herald's answer to the pink 'un and green 'un seen around the country. Wasn't sure if this was a 'history room' or 'programme room' item so will leave it to a higher authority to put it in the appropriate place...
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Post by Dave on Nov 16, 2009 16:59:15 GMT
A great historical document Leigh and maybe its best to have it in the history room and also in the programme room.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2009 21:32:34 GMT
Fascinating to see the "Buff" existed back in the 1930s. The Herald Express was then a relatively recent paper - emerging from a merger of two papers in the 1920s - so the introduction of a football edition must have been an early innovation.
I wonder how much Torquay United news was carried by the Western Morning News and the Sunday Independent in those days? I remember my dad first started buying the Sunday Independent in the late 1960s. Can anybody tell us if sizeable numbers of South Devon people were buying it for the sport before then?
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Post by Jon on Nov 16, 2009 22:44:35 GMT
Looking at the forthcoming fixtures, EL stands for English League as the Football League was then often referred to as - although funnily enough one of the games is against Cardiff. WL stands for Western League and CS stands for Central Southern. In those days, the Southern League was divided into Western and Eastern sections, but for three seasons from 1933-36 there was also a Central Section which was open to teams from both the regional sections to augment their fixture list. Torquay only entered the Central Section once entailing horrible trips to to places like Folkestone, Margate, Dartford and Tunbridge Wells .
The match that really fascinates me is the one against Swindon on August 25 marked F - presumably meaning friendly. I had always believed that, other than the FL Jubilee games in 1938 and 1939, clubs were not allowed to play matches against each other before the start of the League season. Even in the late 50s, you only ever got "Whites v Stripes" type pre-season friendlies. This one has really caught me by surprise - was it a one-off or did we play any other pre-war pre-season friendlies?
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Post by Budleigh on Nov 17, 2009 16:35:32 GMT
Jon... Not sure about pre-season friendlies but I have an interesting pre-war Clapton Orient v Torquay United programme that shows what I think is an unusual friendly... I'll pop it on the history room site later on and see what you make of it!!
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Post by phipsy on Nov 17, 2009 18:13:30 GMT
what a fabulous programmefrom budleigh re the practise match from 1934. this is the oldest torquay united prog.i have seen. a few notable names from that pre season match was the appearance of the great don welsh playing at centre half. he went on to star for charlton athletic and i believe played for england possibly in wartime internationals. he later when he retired from football ran a hotel/pub in bovey tracey. another name i recognised was ernie knott playing at no. 11. he was the trainerof hele spurs during the 50s.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 19:25:37 GMT
a few notable names from that pre season match was the appearance of the great don welsh playing at centre half. he went on to star for charlton athletic and i believe played for england possibly in wartime internationals. he later when he retired from football ran a hotel/pub in bovey tracey. Don Welsh, a Royal Navy man from Manchester, appeared for England in three official internationals before the war and in another nine unofficial internationals during the war. He ran his pub in between managing Liverpool and Bournemouth.
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Post by phipsy on Nov 18, 2009 14:34:07 GMT
terehanks for that barton re. info on don welsh. since read of his goalscoring exploits., absolutley phenomenal. nearly averaging a goal a game for both liverpool and charlton. who would hae ever envisaged watching that practise match that one of the centre halves would become an england international and bag so many goals in his career.
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Post by Budleigh on Nov 24, 2009 8:41:32 GMT
Jon has quite rightly surmised through looking at the fixture list on the United v 1st Worcs Regt programme (see other thread) that this Swindon game was in fact a reserve team friendly and therefore the situation where first team pre-season friendlies weren't allowed against other league teams is correct.
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