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Post by Jon on May 22, 2018 19:49:15 GMT
we were preoccupied with who was most likely to save the drowning child, should they jump in. Exactly. So not just a question of the strongest swimmer but who had honourable intentions. Alpine Joe, who only ever looks at the first part of the question, would go for the strongest swimmer even if that was a man with history of abducting children and never returning them. Everyone else would go for someone who would bring the child ashore to rescue it rather than swim off with it and demand a ransom. But saving the club should never have got to a panic situation. Despite Dave Phillips’ protestations that the club suddenly and unexpectedly arrived in a situation where it was a day or two away from administration, it was obvious to most people that this was the obvious direction in which we were heading as soon as Edwards' "consortium" failed to raise the share capital it needed. There was no time for swimming lessons with Phillips ignoring all warning signs until the last minute. If he had listened to reason 18 months earlier.... That is what really bugs me. Good people banging their head against a brick wall of stubborn arrogance.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 22:41:52 GMT
Will no one take the views of the child into account? We'll call her 'Jane Moore' to preserve her anonymity. She tells me that she's been very well cared for by her new foster parent. That she'll be getting plenty of pocket money to spend on new toys over the Summer, and coming up in the next 12 months she's already looking forward to a promised trip to the seaside at Weston-Super-Mare, visits to the wonderful cathedral cities of Gloucester and Truro, as well as seeing the dreaming spires of Oxford. Her bedroom is being redecorated for her at this moment. And within a couple of years a new modern house, most likely with underfloor heating in every room, is where she'll be moving with her new family. She'll be glad to get away from the old place, where the neighbours complain if you're making a noise playing out in the garden more than once a week. As for her Foster Father being a child abductor, she tells me he spoke to Social Services on the phone for over an hour recently, and has also had a meeting that lasted in excess of two hours with them, and that the subject was never mentioned once. ' I'm told my Dad has a firm commitment to meet with Social Services every month' said Jane, 'That should be enough interference surely. Why can't they just accept I don't want to live with them?'
'I reckon their proposed childcare home in Torquay would have run out of money and closed within a few months anyway' observed Jane , 'and that would hardly have been in my best interests would it ?Jane pointed at the very latest issue of Social Services News . 'See this? That's what they'd do to me if they could. Force me to have lots of diverse friends whether I wanted them or not. And reading me Marx instead of Nursery Rhymes at bedtime. Those Social Services staff scare me, they way they robotically chant 'In the best interests of the child'. They're like some weird cult, determined to get control of all the nations children. My new Dad promised me he'll make sure I never fall into their clutches'
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Post by stewart on May 22, 2018 23:03:08 GMT
we were preoccupied with who was most likely to save the drowning child, should they jump in. Exactly. So not just a question of the strongest swimmer but who had honourable intentions. Alpine Joe, who only ever looks at the first part of the question, would go for the strongest swimmer even if that was a man with history of abducting children and never returning them. Everyone else would go for someone who would bring the child ashore to rescue it rather than swim off with it and demand a ransom. But saving the club should never have got to a panic situation. Despite Dave Phillips’ protestations that the club suddenly and unexpectedly arrived in a situation where it was a day or two away from administration, it was obvious to most people that this was the obvious direction in which we were heading as soon as Edwards' "consortium" failed to raise the share capital it needed. There was no time for swimming lessons with Phillips ignoring all warning signs until the last minute. If he had listened to reason 18 months earlier.... That is what really bugs me. Good people banging their head against a brick wall of stubborn arrogance. Brilliant analogy by Jon, as usual. I haven't bothered to read the crap that follows, and that is the honest truth following my previous pledge. A question for those who understand these technological things. How is our deluded friend able to post something without appearing in the list of people who have visited the site during the past 24 hours?
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Post by hector on May 23, 2018 5:33:26 GMT
Will no one take the views of the child into account? We'll call her 'Jane Moore' to preserve her anonymity. She tells me that she's been very well cared for by her new foster parent. That she'll be getting plenty of pocket money to spend on new toys over the Summer, and coming up in the next 12 months she's already looking forward to a promised trip to the seaside at Weston-Super-Mare, visits to the wonderful cathedral cities of Gloucester and Truro, as well as seeing the dreaming spires of Oxford. Her bedroom is being redecorated for her at this moment. And within a couple of years a new modern house, most likely with underfloor heating in every room, is where she'll be moving with her new family. She'll be glad to get away from the old place, where the neighbours complain if you're making a noise playing out in the garden more than once a week. As for her Foster Father being a child abductor, she tells me he spoke to Social Services on the phone for over an hour recently, and has also had a meeting that lasted in excess of two hours with them, and that the subject was never mentioned once. ' I'm told my Dad has a firm commitment to meet with Social Services every month' said Jane, 'That should be enough interference surely. Why can't they just accept I don't want to live with them?'
'I reckon their proposed childcare home in Torquay would have run out of money and closed within a few months anyway' observed Jane , 'and that would hardly have been in my best interests would it ?Jane pointed at the very latest issue of Social Services News . 'See this? That's what they'd do to me if they could. Force me to have lots of diverse friends whether I wanted them or not. And reading me Marx instead of Nursery Rhymes at bedtime. Those Social Services staff scare me, they way they robotically chant 'In the best interests of the child'. They're like some weird cult, determined to get control of all the nations children. My new Dad promised me he'll make sure I never fall into their clutches'I suspect, in your scenario, Jane Moore is being groomed.
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Post by gullone on Jul 24, 2018 16:14:07 GMT
For anyone that missed it first time...one of Alpine Joes finest imo...still makes me laugh !
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Post by simonb on Jul 24, 2018 16:50:52 GMT
Can’t bear it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 10:10:10 GMT
High noon for TUST ? It’s biggest and most crucial battle looming ? Will we see it fade like a glossy brochure left in the sun? Or could this long hot Summer lead to a ‘TUST Spring’ ? Let’s examine the evidence. Chatting on the phone last evening, with another keen TUFC and TUST watcher, he put forward the idea that we could be about to witness, on a much smaller scale, the equivalent of the Brexit situation. That is, a good number of the little people (but with no power) indicating they want one thing, but the Authorities, strongly wedded to something else, determined to push through their own agenda. Now in some ways there could be an element of poetic justice if that were to happen, as in many cases it’s those most in favour of having the People’s decision on E.U membership ignored, who are now most loudly claiming that Business interests and local political manoeuvrings are taking scant regard of the voice of the supporters It’s not a viewpoint I personally agree with though. For one thing, Riviera Macron is always very quick, and perhaps too quick, to muscle in and add his two penneth, to what is exclusively a decision for local politicians. The coffers might be empty, but even getting the current local bunch of councillors to relinquish their grip on money draining white elephants such as Oldway, is nigh impossible. Rather it crumble to a state of disrepair and eventually get demolished, that allow private investment to try making a go of the old place. It’s clear that Torbay isn’t blessed with politicians who have a natural inclination towards smoothing the way for private enterprise. And nor can Mayor Oliver single-handedly remove all the obstacles that have been, or are yet to be invented. Surely the Osborne Arena would mean there’d have to be a hard border in Ireland ?...it must be stopped !!!! And so onto the Mayor’s presentation at the Riviera Centre tonight. When a body such as the Council takes, or considers taking measures that will affect TUFC supporters, TUST seem to be willing to be on the case straight away, even calling their members along for a show of strength. Yet when it’s the Left Wing BBC (Biased Broadcasting Corporation) taking a decision that clearly adversely affected TUFC supporters, there somehow seems to have been a marked reluctance to speak up, or tackle the BBC in any way. Now I of course, speak as an outsider, and just because I’m unaware of TUST lifting a finger to challenge the BBC and to fight the corner for old or disabled supporters, who can’t get to matches, it desn’t mean that they might not be quietly in dialogue with the BBC giving it everything to get this decision overturned. But why not publicise such work if it’s happening ? If I were a TUST member living up country, I’d be spitting feathers at the way my representatives appear to have silently accepted the sudden halting of the provision of commentary. MILITANTS DISRUPT MAYOR'S PRESENTATION AT RIVIERA CENTRE But back to stadium concerns. For the moment, TUST knows they dare not lose. For the level that fans want TUFC to be playing at, keeping the club at the economically unviable Plainmoor is a total must for TUST. It virtually guarantees losses, to the extent that the Philip’s consortium scraped some money together to keep the club hanging on for a year or two more. After that a ‘buyer’ could only be found on the basis that the business could be moved away from Plainmoor and it’s fortunes turned around. Stop that happening, consign the club to Plainmoor, and you’ll have killed off any further chances of interest being shown……………...except for a certain group, waiting with arms stretched wide for the club to fall into their hands by default. The very ones currently working so hard to retain the conditions that would guarantee the club is viewed as a financial basket case, know it’s the only way they can hope to get TUFC under their control. As things stand at the moment, it could be that a compromise will eventually be reached. When push comes to shove, I don’t think Riviera Macron or the Councillors would have the nerve to halt, and therefore deny the population of South Devon from enjoying the wonderful sporting and leisure facilities that are now on the table, in order to let a small group of radicals play Venezuela politics with the local football club. To admit that they are too hopeless to devise some adequate safeguards, and so it all comes to nothing would be a terrible and damning admission…..and that would almost be the bigger story that what our little group of Chavez’s managed to do to TUFC within 6 months of their ‘ownership’. So will it come down to a fudged compromise? The new Arena, new stadium, hotel, etc etc are allowed to be built……. but on condition that enough sops are provided to our Socialist friends? Starting off with naming rights. At an absolute bargain price, for it’s first five years, why not call it the ‘Moderate Trust Community Stadium’? The main thoroughfare leading to it, being ‘Fairtrade Way’. Once inside, you have the choice of taking a seat in the ‘Inclusivity & Diversity Stand’, or watching the match from the ‘Social Justice Popside’. Reaching out to TUST, and showing that they’re still wanted and welcome in our new home, really isn’t too much to ask. And these are the sorts of gestures I’m certain they’d appreciate.The ‘Supporters Direct Overflow Car Park’ perhaps?, the possibilities are endless, and the motto ‘No TUST member left behind’ should be a central tenet of our move to a new home. Working together, and putting extremist political dogma aside, can make this project a success and, most importantly, be in the best interests of the club. TUST MILITANTS MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE RIVIERA CENTRE. (It will be important to find ways to help them feel included when we move to our new home)
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Post by simonb on Jul 26, 2018 10:55:28 GMT
Blimey - are there still people around on hallucinogenic medication?
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Post by Jon on Jul 26, 2018 13:29:52 GMT
AJ tries to twist this into being an argument between those who want a brand new revenue-generating stadium and those who don’t.
It isn’t. It is an argument between those who understand Clarke Osborne’s modus operandi and those who don’t.
And then there is AJ who understands Clarke Osborne’s modus operandi but is supportive of it. What the motive is behind that I could only guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:33:10 GMT
Simonb Simon, you're incredible Naturally it's personally disappointing to see that you're either unwilling or unable to give a view on any of the issues I'd raised, and instead have (yet again) only turned up to 'play the man' rather than the ball. I've just had a quick count up, and none of your 22 posts in this thread (since April 2017) have ever once been as much as vaguely on topic, let alone make even a single mention of TUST or it's future prospects. Yet somehow you've managed to avoid receiving even the gentlest of promptings to familiarise yourself with the thread topic. What the motive is behind that I could only guess.
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Post by torregull on Jul 27, 2018 13:13:21 GMT
For the record AJ, the issue of future coverage of TUFC matches on the radio has been taken up by TUST, and we understand the club will be making an announcement in due course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 13:47:18 GMT
Do do hope you mean forcibly taken up with the BBC, rather than giving them a free pass, and instead dumping the problem into the club's lap. With a new season about to start, and suddenly having to accommodate another football club, we can guess that club staff are already stretched to their absolute limits. If I shortly hear that TUST have been giving those b*st#8ds at the BBC a prolonged roasting over this, then I'll be the first to congratulate them on some vigorous 'representation' of the supporters. Photos of the smashed windows at BBC regional HQ will also look great in the forthcoming colour brochure
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Post by Rob on Jul 28, 2018 1:39:54 GMT
For the record AJ, the issue of future coverage of TUFC matches on the radio has been taken up by TUST, and we understand the club will be making an announcement in due course. Good to hear, torregull. Proactive as ever, with no agenda other than the best for TUFC and it’s supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 17:32:47 GMT
Perhaps the younger generation need the extra help because previous generations have pulled the ladder up so high they can't hope to catch up. I don't know how old you are, but consider this. You, when young, probably enjoyed better health care than your elders did or your Mother may have been helped by receiving child benefit for you that was denied to earlier generations. I too am fed up of hearing younger people derided by older generations, who truth be told are simply envious of their youth. For the record I am 56 years old. A bit busy at the moment, will post somewhat more substantial later...just thought you might like to see what one of your derided angels has been up to lately! www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/young-woman-thrown-to-ground-and-mugged-by-10-year-old-boy-in-east-london/ar-AAxfx4q?ocid=spartandhpSorry it has been so long to get back to you, had been busy rolling The Four Dharmakaya Relic mantras! Sorry again for deriding the youth of today because I'm envious of them! Article below stating how four wonderful youths pelted an old disabled woman with eggs and flower then posed for a photo-shoot! What was that stupid old woman doing there, surely if their mentally ill and old, they should be put in the stocks and have bricks thrown at them! Now it seems, because of that stupid old woman being there, the boys have had to have police protection...and one of them had his birthday party ruined! I feel like Renne in Allo Allo...'Stupid woman!' There...now we all agree! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6006403/Stepmother-teenager-group-covered-disabled-woman-flour-eggs-not-tearaway.html
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Post by plainmoorpete on Jul 30, 2018 17:43:29 GMT
So from that one incident we can derive that all young people are yobs. Maybe from your posts we can derive that all Buddhists are narrow minded, xenophobic, miserable old gits.
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