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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Apr 14, 2012 18:39:44 GMT
And to think, Andy Grey got fired because of this! To be fair to the lass concerned,she ran the line here the following week (if i remember rightly). She certainly seemed to have a better grasp of the rules of the game than Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee, late of Sky Sports
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Post by Rags on Apr 15, 2012 7:34:46 GMT
The pertinent point is in Rags last paragraph and is the crux of my point. Forget yer diagrams and academic studies. Agree with Ditmar - it becomes a can of worms in the context of a game, not a training video or written piece - and nice example from Jon, of how difficult it is for both players and officials. And those watching their bleddy interpretations. Gain an advantage this, active that. Change the rule back, not least so these pundits can get out of their own a*ses on the issue, but mostly to add clarity and simplicity to the game for players, officials and the paying(or not) public watching the game.Students no doubt already penning dissertations on this cack. A*se. So its back to the offside trap and squeezing the game into a narrow band in the middle of the pitch where no passing football can survive? You might want to take football back to the Dark Ages but I'm not interested in returning to those bad old days.
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Post by Rags on Apr 15, 2012 7:37:53 GMT
To be fair to the lass concerned,she ran the line here the following week (if i remember rightly). She certainly seemed to have a better grasp of the rules of the game than Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee, late of Sky Sports To be fair to Sian Massey (for it is she), she flagged for an offside in that very Wolves v Liverpool which was ridiculed by Mr Gray live on air. It turned out on closer inspection (ie slow-motion replay) that Massey was right and Gray was wrong. And I had previously thought irony died when Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize...
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Post by Rags on Apr 15, 2012 7:54:17 GMT
I've witnessed several occasions at Plainmoor this season when the ball has been knocked forward long and gone nowhere near a striker in an offside position, but the lino has flagged and the ref has stopped the game to give a free kick.
No confusion over who was in an offside position, not offside by the rules Rags has set out, but given anyway.
It seems as if not all League 2 refs are playing to the same rules as they do in the Premiership. And it happened again yesterday which you pointed out at the time. But Premier League referees? How can the Laws as they stand be reconciled with the decisions during a game when Martin Atkinson doesn't even give a free kick against Mario Balotelli for a studs up challenge on Alex Song; then the FA cowardly refuse to take retrospective action because Atkinson/Asst Ref apparently saw a bit of it, and FIFA don't want them to undermine the ref's decision? Bullocks. FIFA are always delegating responsibility to the National FAs for taking decisions: The FA hid their heads in the sand yet again. There are two areas for a red card with Balotelli's challenge; either excessive force of serious foul play: “Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent. • A player who uses excessive force must be sent offAny player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play. Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.
A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred inside the offender’s penalty area).www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame/index.htmlwww.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12_en.pdfSo the Law is very clear. However, not only did the referee ignore it, but so did the authority that claims to control the game in this country. It's not the Laws that need changing it's both FIFA and The FA for their consistent refusal to enforce the application of the Laws. Then we have Shaun Derry getting sent off for QPR v Red Debtors following a challenge on an offside Ashley Young who clearly, er, simulated the foul. QPR appealed against the decision but that appeal was incredibly turned down: "The e-mail we got back from the FA was one line telling me my appeal had not been successful. That's as far as it went."It's very clear from the offside Law that Young was "committing an offense" to use FIFA's language. It's clear from the camera angles that Young was guilty of "simulation" (why can't FIFA just cut to the quick and call it cheating?). Yet the FA are too inept to even explain why they are turning down what most neutral observers would consider one of the most justified appeals this season. The Laws don't need changing. The body that controls our game does need changing.
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Post by Rags on Apr 15, 2012 7:56:21 GMT
Wasn't it Brian Clough who said if he's not interfering with play he shouldn't be in the bl**dy side? He also said that if God had wanted the ball played in the air he would have made the sky green (or something like that). Jayzuz - I've got a sore neck after watching yesterday's game!
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Post by chelstongull on Apr 15, 2012 8:37:55 GMT
Jayzuz - I've got a sore neck after watching yesterday's game! You're lucky, I've got a sore arse after last nights curry.
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Post by Rags on Apr 15, 2012 14:40:24 GMT
Jayzuz - I've got a sore neck after watching yesterday's game! You're lucky, I've got a sore arse after last nights curry. Not so much a Ruby Murray as a Johnny Cash!! ;D
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Post by Rob on Apr 15, 2012 19:26:34 GMT
Rags, I don't want to 'take football back to the dark ages' eg: total football 70's Ajax etc.. Just think until we get a Lino with the three sets of eyes mentioned, the law is an ass.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Apr 16, 2012 8:42:04 GMT
So its back to the offside trap and squeezing the game into a narrow band in the middle of the pitch where no passing football can survive? Radical way to change that would be you can only be "offside" if you're in the penatly area. Have the old fashioned rule but only if it occurs in the area. While we're changing the rules, you can add having 4 linesman as well, one responsible for each halfway line to goal line segment. Barking that you could have an incident near a corner flag and the nearest official (ref could be otherwise occupied, have view blocked etc) who could have a clear view is stood on the halfway line cos its not "his half". Some more decisions seemingly showing refs in a poor light at the weekend and TBH they could do with more assistance IMO. Tevez booked for diving at Norwich when it was a stonewall penalty? Wont even hazard a guess at Chelseas 2nd goal but have to say linesman that end was unsighted but a linesman the other side may have seen that the ball didnt cross the line (camera view was pretty unobstructed from that side).
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Post by Jon on Apr 18, 2012 21:23:40 GMT
I've witnessed several occasions at Plainmoor this season when the ball has been knocked forward long and gone nowhere near a striker in an offside position, but the lino has flagged and the ref has stopped the game to give a free kick.
No confusion over who was in an offside position, not offside by the rules Rags has set out, but given anyway.
It seems as if not all League 2 refs are playing to the same rules as they do in the Premiership. And it happened again yesterday which you pointed out at the time. I was glad you were within shouting distance when it did. An unchallenged header clear with no inteference at all, but still stopped for offside. If it happened once or twice you would say it was just the ref having a brain fart, but it has happened in most of the games I have seen this season. It sounds incredible to claim that the offside law is applied differently in League 2, but it's true!
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