Post by rjdgull on Apr 15, 2012 10:06:29 GMT
Well, it had to happen at some point! ;D A football based site has an in depth discussion about the off side rule! 
This all occured after Eunan was ruled off side for his goal in the Oxford game.
Some great points and quotes made with diagrams as well! Really deserved weekly winner for the work put in and many congratulations to Rags!
Would it actually matter if the ball glances off a defender though?
If a player is offside when the ball is played towards him, then a touch from a defender shouldn't have any effect on the decision.
He is still offside when the ball is played?
Only if he is seeking to gain an advantage from that position:
Definitions
In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following definitions apply:
• “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a goalpost or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position
These two examples from the Laws illustrate the difference - when a player receives the ball from a deflection, he is offside if he was originally, but not if he doesn't actually touch the ball; but if a defender controls it and passes it back then he won't be offside because it would not a rebound.
that has to be the most open to interpretation rule ive ever seen. From the defenders point of view, if he moves away from an attacker who is onside to be nearer an offside attacker, that would have distracted him?[/size][/quote]
Here are just two of nine diagrams clarifying when a player is interfering or not:
I think the big problem is that officials have to decide if a player is "active" at the time the ball is played. Different officials will interpret it with different outcomes and the only way to stop that would be to make it as simple as possible and revert to the old system as you say.
I don't think they do have to decide if he is active or not. Is he touching the ball; is he preventing an opponent from playing the ball or obstructing the line of vision, or gesturing; or is he hoping that the ball rebounds to him off the metalwork or an opponent. If yes, then he's offside, if not then he isn't.
Refs aren't making these decisions in isolation; as well as the diagrams in the Official Laws of the Game, they have film examples showing what situations constitute offside, as well as "briefing"/workshops from FIFA/FA/Refs associations to explain what scenarios constitute what decision.
There is no confusion on what is offside or not from the refs perspective, they are often unsighted or simply make stupid mistakes because they are human.
As I said before, the offside law is straightforward, the application of it is not. Partly because the officials need eyes in the side or back of their heads as well as in front to that they can see in two directions at the same time.[/quote]
This all occured after Eunan was ruled off side for his goal in the Oxford game.Some great points and quotes made with diagrams as well! Really deserved weekly winner for the work put in and many congratulations to Rags!
If a player is offside when the ball is played towards him, then a touch from a defender shouldn't have any effect on the decision.
He is still offside when the ball is played?
Only if he is seeking to gain an advantage from that position:
Definitions
In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following definitions apply:
• “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a goalpost or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position
These two examples from the Laws illustrate the difference - when a player receives the ball from a deflection, he is offside if he was originally, but not if he doesn't actually touch the ball; but if a defender controls it and passes it back then he won't be offside because it would not a rebound.
that has to be the most open to interpretation rule ive ever seen. From the defenders point of view, if he moves away from an attacker who is onside to be nearer an offside attacker, that would have distracted him?
Here are just two of nine diagrams clarifying when a player is interfering or not:
I don't think they do have to decide if he is active or not. Is he touching the ball; is he preventing an opponent from playing the ball or obstructing the line of vision, or gesturing; or is he hoping that the ball rebounds to him off the metalwork or an opponent. If yes, then he's offside, if not then he isn't.
Refs aren't making these decisions in isolation; as well as the diagrams in the Official Laws of the Game, they have film examples showing what situations constitute offside, as well as "briefing"/workshops from FIFA/FA/Refs associations to explain what scenarios constitute what decision.
There is no confusion on what is offside or not from the refs perspective, they are often unsighted or simply make stupid mistakes because they are human.
As I said before, the offside law is straightforward, the application of it is not. Partly because the officials need eyes in the side or back of their heads as well as in front to that they can see in two directions at the same time.[/quote]
