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Post by loyalgull on Nov 12, 2011 10:40:29 GMT
i see the islamic fundamentalists were out in force yesterday burning poppies and generally being direspectful and disgusting towards this country that they supposedly call home.Why dont they just bugger off to there land of birth if they hate it so much? of course they wont,cosy britain molly coddles to their every whim whilst they extract the urine out of us,my father for one would turn in his grave at what a soft touch england has become
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Post by bristolgull on Nov 12, 2011 11:33:00 GMT
Dave, whilst I am very angry at what the banks have done to this country, and deeply sad at every death of a service man/woman, I take great issue with you referring to it as Jewish banking cartels. Such phrases are what stereotypes are built on, anti-semitism has no place on this site or anywhere else... So which Rothschild/ Rockeller bit did you take your PC offence to? This is the usual response to anyone pointing out the culprits. Play the anti-semitism card. So are you saying they arn't jewish? As for steroetypes, baloney! As it happens Israelis are the most ignorant, rude, unpleasant, obnoxious people I have ever had the misfortune to meet. If they're the chosen ones then they're welcome to whatever it is they think they're going to get. Many of my family members have served their country, usually to protect the banking cartels and their interests. So i think that gives anyone the right to question their motives. Or is that only the preserve of our jewish friends? Dave, I am not denying the Jewish routes of either Rothschild or Rockerfeller, my PC objection as you call it, is based on your reference to 'Jewish banking cartels'. Why is their religion or ethnic origin important? Why do you feel the need to mention it? If they were Christian or Muslim would you have felt the need to mention that too? It associates an entire religion with the activities of two influential banking families and smacks of having another axe to grind (I do not know you and have no idea whether you are anti Jewish or not, I am just saying how your posts have come across to me). Your comments about all Israelis being ignorant, rude and obnoxious is a gross generalisation, not based on fact but on your own opinion and experience, of course you are entitled to express that but you cannot make such sweeping statements about an entire nation and expect people to take it seriously. I take it you are including Israeli Arabs in this opinion as well as Jewsih Israelis? You are right that anybody has the right to question the motives of the banks, but it is the way that it is done that is important, it is not necessary to bring in people's ethnic or religious backgrounds, when it is not relevant. As for playing the anti-semitism card as you call it, it is quoted so often because any cursory look through history (both ancient and modern) will show that the world has been rife with it, often with dire consequences. I am sure that we probably won't agree on this matter, we will have to agree to disagree, but healthy debate never hurt anybody.... On a lighter note, let us hope the lads can get a result this afternoon! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 14:27:10 GMT
As bristolgull rightly states "healthy debate never hurt anybody" & while he's quite right to point out historical consequences of anti-semitism, I'm sure we don't want to see that accusation levied as a means of enabling a section of society to become above criticism. What are the reasons for wars or any particular war ? Did we invade Iraq because of oil ?..because of WMD's that could rain down upon us ? because George Dubya wanted to carry on one of his dad's squabbles ?..or to help the downtrodden Iraqi's & Kurds ? Everyone is usually welcome to their own opinion & there's no obligation to be 'right'. Davethegull's opinion seemed to be that some wars have been conducted to help the interests of the world elite & certain banking interests. Personally I think he should be free to express his opinions as should anyone else. bristolgull Dave will obviously have to speak for himself , but I thought it was relevant to the point he was making. It seems to me that Dave doesn't believe that Britain would readily send troops to fight for the interests of an Islamic Banking Cartel or even a Christian Banking Cartel if requested. Dave's annoyance seemed to be directed at the Politicians & Generals who actually make such decisions to send our servicemen into such conflicts, rather than at the lucky recipients. To paraphrase his comments could I not say 'I get so mad when I think of our boys fighting a war on behalf of the Libyans' ? Surely anyone should be able to say they object to British servicemen having to endanger themselves trying to overthrow the Gaddafi regime without it also necessarily having to mean you have no sympathy for the downtrodden Libyans. And just to finish, I'd like to underline that this isn't meant to be read as a post in support of davethegull, but more as a criticism of the rules (as drawn up by proboards or whoever) regarding what can & cannot be said. Personally i find them contemptible & they must be an embarrassment for the administrators to have to enforce. For the sake of continuity I'll stick with davethegull for my examples.. as a proud Cornishman I only have to look back a couple of months to remind myself that "the 6 toed, knuckle dragging, "my sister's my mum", pond life cornish" (Sept 10th) complies fully with the rules whereas... "Private jewish banking cartels" (November 10th) by contrast is judged to have contravened those very same rules. it's a funny old world  |
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Post by thefarmersfriend on Nov 12, 2011 16:35:21 GMT
I'm not going to get dragged into a debate about this. Needless to say I think Dave's opinions are self-evident rubbish. I think one of the last times I saw him in the flesh he told me a 'joke' about the Nazi genocide, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. My interest in this forum and United is largely about getting away from this sort of depressing cobblers, and if I hadn't been so bored on Friday I would never have come across Mr Shaw's rant.
Dave's entitled to believe anything he reads on the internet and regurgitate it on a football forum if he likes, although personally I'd prefer it if as on another forum I frequent, politics were kept in an 'opt-in' section and political signatures and avatars were banned. I come on this forum to read and discuss Torquay United and football, not to get politically wound up or slurred by association by people who have vowed never to set foot in Plainmoor again.
For the record, I'm very political by nature. Just not here.
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Post by davethegull on Nov 12, 2011 17:44:22 GMT
I'm not going to get dragged into a debate about this. Needless to say I think Dave's opinions are self-evident rubbish. I think one of the last times I saw him in the flesh he told me a 'joke' about the Nazi genocide, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. My interest in this forum and United is largely about getting away from this sort of depressing cobblers, and if I hadn't been so bored on Friday I would never have come across Mr Shaw's rant. Dave's entitled to believe anything he reads on the internet and regurgitate it on a football forum if he likes, although personally I'd prefer it if as on another forum I frequent, politics were kept in an 'opt-in' section and political signatures and avatars were banned. I come on this forum to read and discuss Torquay United and football, not to get politically wound up or slurred by association by people who have vowed never to set foot in Plainmoor again. For the record, I'm very political by nature. Just not here. Really? I told you a joke about nazi genocide? Amazing memory mate, when did we last meet? I haven't been back to blighty for 5 years.....but good for you if you have such recall. Or are you just making it up to slur my albeit low reputation? Doubt it and anyone who knows me will doubt it too. Nice try. |
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 12, 2011 18:30:31 GMT
Spare us the conspiracy tripe please, Dave.
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Post by rjdgull on Nov 12, 2011 18:57:09 GMT
, I'd like to underline that this isn't meant to be read as a post in support of davethegull, but more as a criticism of the rules (as drawn up by proboards or whoever) regarding what can & cannot be said. Personally i find them contemptible & they must be an embarrassment for the administrators to have to enforce. For the sake of continuity I'll stick with davethegull for my examples.. as a proud Cornishman I only have to look back a couple of months to remind myself that "the 6 toed, knuckle dragging, "my sister's my mum", pond life cornish" (Sept 10th) complies fully with the rules whereas... "Private jewish banking cartels" (November 10th) by contrast is judged to have contravened those very same rules. it's a funny old world Just to clarify Joe: User's web site may not contain content promoting the use of illegal drugs, alcohol, sex, pornography, nudity, or any other form of adult content, profanity, hate, "spam," fraud, racism, mlm, pyramid schemes, or promote any illegal activity. I don't think anyone took the Cornish reference with any seriousness whatsoever but anti-semitism does have a certain history. The context also is that it is an USA based company and hence falls under federal law. Anyone is welcome to pm with any concerns that they may have with any posts but some sort of balance must be maintained and as frankly I have better things to do with my time then self moderation is very much encouraged. |
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Post by davethegull on Nov 12, 2011 18:58:04 GMT
what conspiracy tripe would that be lambie?
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Post by loyalgull on Nov 12, 2011 21:39:03 GMT
i dont always agree with davethegull not through stubborness but through just differing ideas.But i go along with his thoughts on monetary gain by world powers such as us and america.
Another interesting topic the israelis,for me factual,my mothers side of the family were jewish,she interestingly turned her back on that way of life at 19,left the wealth and lifestyle behind why? she found them arrogant,obnoxious,and very self righteous,she also thought the palestinians had always been treated very badly by israel.she was never a practising jew again,and the fact that she was related by blood to samuels the jewellers mattered not a dot
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Post by stefano on Nov 13, 2011 0:44:08 GMT
Just to clarify Joe: User's web site may not contain content promoting the use of illegal drugs, alcohol, sex, pornography, nudity, or any other form of adult content, profanity, hate, "spam," fraud, racism, mlm, pyramid schemes, or promote any illegal activity. I don't think anyone took the Cornish reference with any seriousness whatsoever but anti-semitism does have a certain history. The context also is that it is an USA based company and hence falls under federal law. Anyone is welcome to pm with any concerns that they may have with any posts but some sort of balance must be maintained and as frankly I have better things to do with my time then self moderation is very much encouraged. Absolutely right Rob anybody should be able to say anything about the Cornish who have a strange infatuation for their young. Only two good things have ever come out of Cornwall and that is the A30 and the A38! Even the pasty has been proven to be Devonian and when they try to put together a Westcountry cream tea they always get the jam and cream ass about face! Surprised Alpine J is Cornish as his posts are always brilliant but I expect he either left at a very young age or has never been there but his parents have told him he must be proud of his Cornish ancestry and reject Britain, much like .... well others I will leave it to your imagination! |
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 13, 2011 1:52:39 GMT
what conspiracy tripe would that be lambie? This freemasons lizards jews crap, which nobody apart from drunk people in pubs and males in remote corners of the internet (guess that's us!) give a second thought to. |
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Post by davethegull on Nov 13, 2011 4:18:32 GMT
what conspiracy tripe would that be lambie? This freemasons lizards jews crap, which nobody apart from drunk people in pubs and males in remote corners of the internet (guess that's us!) give a second thought to. Who mentioned lizards? same old tactics from those who want to shut down free speech and marginalize free thought, however bizarre. What I object to is our brothers ans sisters being used as canon fodder to protect "jewish" banking interests. As for the Israelis, they are about to ignite world war 3 without any consideration for the impact on the rest of the world. I do not want my son sacrificed to support their genocidal madness. |
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 13, 2011 8:30:31 GMT
You can play the 'free-speech martyr' card all you like, but it's just another tin foil hat conspiracy theory (even if it is one which has a rather vile history).
It's possible to have a critique of power without invoking bogey men.
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Post by davethegull on Nov 13, 2011 9:08:09 GMT
You can play the 'free-speech martyr' card all you like, but it's just another tin foil hat conspiracy theory (even if it is one which has a rather vile history). It's possible to have a critique of power without invoking bogey men. What on earth are you babbling on about lambie. All that champagne socialism gone to your head? What is a tin foil hat conspiracy theory? Anyone who bothers to do their own research can find all the information they need to make up their own mind. They don't need "big brother" to tell them what to believe. If you want to deny the existance of jewish banking cartels because they get a free pass to be tyrants by playing the holocaust card to shield them from investigation and then let their stool pigeons bludgeon down criticism of any nature, carry right on. You will help them put on your straight jacket. It's already happening, it's all around you, but you refuse to see it. |
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 13, 2011 9:38:15 GMT
The internet is full of experts who have 'done their own research'.
Cranks.
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