Jon
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Post by Jon on Jul 28, 2011 19:32:17 GMT
Luscombe's chapter three claims that he met up with G.O. Smith and Andrew McLuckie whilst playing bowls and that both of them gave the TUFC boys a lot of coaching whilst they were in town. Smith is described as the great Corinthians centre-forward and captain of England. McLuckie is described as the great Scottish International centre-forward and probably the greatest professional of all time - quite an accolade! How much of this is true and how much is down to Luscombe's vivid imagination we will never know. What he says of G.O. Smith is true - but I can find no trace of an Andrew McLuckie. Nobody of that name ever played for Scotland or ever played in the Football League. The greatest professional of all time? Highly unlikely. I wonder if he meant JASPER McLuckie. www.greensonscreen.co.uk/gosdb-players2.asp?pid=558&scp=1,2,3,4,5,6,7 Two goals in an FA Cup final for Bury and three seasons at Villa would have made make him pretty famous. He signed for Argyle in 1904 - so that might explain what he was doing down in Devon. Luscombe sort of hints that the meeting with McLuckie was earlier than this, but I may have mentioned before that he can be a little vague with dates.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2011 10:09:25 GMT
I noticed the reference to “Andrew McLuckie” when Jon’s references to Bill Luscombe persuaded me to re-read Bill’s history of the club. I too was bemused by the “greatest professional of all time” tag because, with a little bit of knowledge of pre-1914 football, I’d never heard of him. And, like Jon, I concluded it may have been Jasper McLuckie who - given Bury’s FA cup record in those days - would have been a “name” but hardly a “great”. But famous enough - you imagine - for his signing for Argyle to have caused a stir in the pages of the Western Independent. G.O.Smith, by contrast, was a star of the times and amongst the best-known of all footballers.
My wicked theory is that Bill may have been accosted by a couple of holidaying Edwardian likely lads – “teddy boys” you may say – who gave him a load of old spiel about being footballers. Bill, of course, fell for it. G.O.Smith hanging around with a rough old Scottish professional - surely not?
Well, according to the Wiki entry, G.O. got on pretty well with the “other ranks”:
"G.O." was, according to contemporaries, unusually popular among professional footballers who were generally wary of the leading amateurs, not least because - wrote Sir Frederick Wall, the long-serving Secretary of the Football Association - he was "a man without petty pride". Steve Bloomer, Wall recalled, "had an intense admiration" for his England striking partner, and Bloomer himself remarked that, unlike the majority of amateurs of the day, Smith was invariably courteous to his professional team-mates (and social inferiors): "He was the finest type of amateur, one who would always shake hands with us professionals in a manner which said plainly he was pleased to meet them."
You never know!
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