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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Feb 22, 2011 22:32:12 GMT
Can’t blame our dear friend Phil for the result Didnt he predict a 2-1 win though? Blame Aussie
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Post by Jon on Feb 22, 2011 22:37:36 GMT
No striker on the bench is costing us.
It sounds like we could have done with some fresh legs up front.
Emergency loan time?
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Feb 22, 2011 22:43:19 GMT
No striker on the bench is costing us. It sounds like we could have done with some fresh legs up front. Emergency loan time? We certainly need another out and out striker I would say. Zebs still looks better on the wing and Robinson is more of a winger TBH. Billy cant do it all on his own, although he will certainly try his hardest.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Feb 23, 2011 0:10:42 GMT
Just got-in. Furious (in football terms anyway!) describes my mood after such a spinesless last 20 minutes. Stuck typing on phone so have to be brief... we looked like were coasting against a poor Cheltenham side when the whole mood of.the game changed when a shocking challenge on LR-T went unnoticed 5 yards in front of the linesman and shortly after the frustrations got to some of our players and we lost discipline, shape, composure our heads.and two points.
Robinson's goal was pure class, however he did very little else and was substituted eventually. Stanley was excellent, Robertson looked good and LT-T put some good blocks in. However, our lack of any imagination in pressuring Cheltenham cost us, they keeper on a few occasions dribbled nearly to the half way line completely unchallenged, our newly adopted 10-0-0 formation without anyone marking their players was laughable, fortunately there was no time for.Cheltenham to get a winner. All in all a repeat performance that merited disappointment at the end - the opportunities were.there.to keep the bell, not hump it out for a goal kick to see.the pressure come right back at us.
I think the return of Began beckons, Potter was alert to danger a couple of times but was rooted to the spot for both of the soft goals.
Don't anyone get the idea that the bookings total meant it was a dirty match, the clueless ref was card happy and his.fitness meant that he needed.to keep the.game.from flowing. Strike him off.
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Post by loyalgull on Feb 23, 2011 1:20:44 GMT
just got back,absolutely furious,the same old routine,take the lead against a very very poor side and then sit back,why oh why do we need to do this? we started brilliantly,a full first half of that and cheltenham were finished,but we retreat after scoring,its neither clever or entertaining and we have proved on many occasions that it doesnt work.I dont care about how good or bad the ref was its no excuse for our ineptness at keeping a lead.Robinson scored a cracker that by rights deserves to win any match,then in the 94th minute the calamity between defence and potter,that hands that lot a draw,it was like they had one the fa cup when the final whistle went,our fans were brilliant tonight and gave it everything,but were let down by an unprofessional approach from our players.If the opponents cant get the ball they cant score simple really,so why is it proving so difficult for us to do?i was not happy with potter tonight,every time cheltenham crossed into our area potter didnt move at all,bring back bevan please.2 points dropped not one gained imho,all in all gutwrenchingly disappointing,but yet could of been oh so different
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Post by Rob on Feb 23, 2011 3:49:30 GMT
Buckle was not happy with Potter tonight and it wasn't just about the soft goals, shocking as the 1st one was. He was blasting kicks up the middle of the park when it was begging to go wide. I don't want to see how far he can kick it -one or two seemed impressed - when the end result is inviting more pressure on us. Thought Eunan looked as crap as he has been for the last few weeks. Within a few minutes of coming on he gave away possession 4 times, I counted. He was trying to thread my arse through the eye of a needle. Bobbins. Very surprised to see Macklin start. He hasn't even made the bench on occassions recently. What was all that about. His first touch was of poor standard throughout proceedings. Robinson's goal a pearler. Stanley a godsend. Impressive Yellow Army. Ref and Lino plonkers. But agree with loyalgull. Totally unprofessional on the part of our players the way the end panned out. Cheltenham were poor. We should never have lost that lead. Bevan WILL start the next match. Macklin WON'T. Grrrr. Why I oughtta...
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Post by rjdgull on Feb 23, 2011 9:42:32 GMT
Ouch, this inability to protect leads is costing us. 4 points extra this week would have had us in sixth place and add in Morecambe we would have been on the same number of points as Shrewsbury with a game in hand. We are actually doing pretty well but could do better! A late run up the table isn't a bad thing and the main thing is that we are still within touching distance of the teams above us.
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 23, 2011 9:44:29 GMT
Sounded like the ref had a hand in both goals - dubious fouls given?
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Post by Dave on Feb 23, 2011 12:16:00 GMT
Buckle was not happy with Potter tonight and it wasn't just about the soft goals, shocking as the 1st one was. He was blasting kicks up the middle of the park when it was begging to go wide. I don't want to see how far he can kick it -one or two seemed impressed - when the end result is inviting more pressure on us. Grrrr. Why I oughtta... Bucks said it was Potters kicking ability that made up his mind to drop Scott and while he may be unhappy with him, he knew full well that Potter can't deal with high balls in our box. The goal that Crawley scored was not down to Scott making any sort of mistake, In fact it was his two penalty saves that saved us from an embarrassing score line. When he was dropped I felt he was in very good form for us and I know I was surprised to see him lose his place to Danny Potter. Steve Breed mentioned how our defenders needed Potter to come off his line and deal with the high balls, but for what ever reason, it seemed he stayed glued to his goal line. But the thing is if we did not sit back so deep and just let the other team come onto us, Potter would not have as much to deal with in the air as he had to. This taking the lead and then saying to the other team why don't you have a go at trying to score yourself, is becoming a bad habit that is costing to many lost points. I know looking at the table we can say we are still doing OK in this league, but we could and should be doing so much better. Once again reading the reports, we played another poor team and ended up giving them a share of the points. Better teams are going to beat us with far to much ease at the moment in any game where we take the lead, I'm starting to think we might do better if we go behind in a game. Scott needs to be back in the starting eleven on Saturday, we need Nico back as well as far as I'm concerned. Rowe- Turner might well be good at getting in a few tackles deep in our own half, but he does not offer half of what Nico does going forward. So a team starts throwing the kitchen sink at you? well throw the bloody thing back at them and not end up playing defence against attack, as the attack so often comes out on top in the end.
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Post by Dave on Feb 23, 2011 12:25:48 GMT
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Post by Dave on Feb 23, 2011 12:44:33 GMT
Sounded like the ref had a hand in both goals - dubious fouls given? The free kicks might have been soft but they are given for you and against you in any match. They still needed to be defended correctly if they are soft or not and while Bucks feels they were soft, he said the blame lies with us for not defending them properly. It is our own players naivety to run down the clock that is causing these lost points, as Bucks has said, when we have the ball it should not just be sailing through the air to their keeper and we should be clipping it into the channels. We may well still be a learning side, but some of the things we are doing wrong are very basic things we should have learned a long time a go to not be doing.
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 23, 2011 12:48:05 GMT
Dave Thomas reports on last nights game:
"But in the final minute of stoppage time Brown was allowed to advance way out of his area yet again and pumped the ball downfield"
Unfortunately he doesn't report how high up the pitch the closest Torquay player was.
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Post by alunmeerkat on Feb 23, 2011 12:50:52 GMT
Well from being home painting my bannister rail at half past four yesterday afternoon I did not expect to find myself in Cheltenham at half past seven, but a combination of one bored son and his girlfriend being on holiday and my other son finishing work early and a quick frap up the M5 in second sons Ford Cougar and there we were. Cracking away support from the 500 odd behind the goal only to end with utter frustration and crushing disappointment by Cheltenham's equaliser with the last kick of the game. Ten minutes earlier you could have staked your life on another three points as Stevens fluke second against the run of play had all but ended the match. Unfortunately you always had the impression that the officials might be hell bent on influencing the result of this game. Matches turn on decisions and so this one did on a staggering piece of ineptitude (or cheating) whichever way you look at it. We looked to be seeing the game out comfortably when Rowe-Turner cleared a ball down the line from the left back position only to be taken out by a late challenge after the ball had gone. The ref was following the ball so didn't see the foul but it happened so close to the linesman that another foot closer and the Cheltenham player would have taken out the ginger moustached turd as well - pity he didn't. All the linesman had to do was stick his flag up or communicate with the ref - the booking count was 0-4 against us at the time and get us the free kick. Astonishingly the linesman did nothing apart frrom keep telling Rowe-Turner to get up. It was just completely unbelievable. Cue the inevitable - ref then gives a free kick the other way as United players react in frustration. The ball is punted into our box, the ball canons straight up in the air and Potter under his crossball punches the ball straight to an unmarked Cheltenham player in the center of the goal who can hardly miss from five yards. We kick off again and a minute later the ball goes down the same touchline. Zebroski is blatantly impeded as he challenges for the ball. This time the ref and linesman totally ignore the foul but with the next challenge gives them another bloody free kick and we are defending in our penalty area again. Cue fearful stick and abuse for the linesman who proceeds to laugh for the laxt five minutes. Cheltenham get three corners in quick sucession. Branston in fouled as he heads the ball away each time - on the third occasion the baboon in green actual gives us a free kick. We look to have seen the game out when Danny Stevens gets the ball in space on the left wing deep into injury time. All he has to do is run the ball to corner flag but god knows why he checks back - we punt the ball forward and lose it. Their keeper hoicks it forward - Branston is fouled again as he heads it - the ball goes just in front of Rowe-Turner. Potter hesitates for a split second. Thomas stcks out his leg more in hope than anything but gets a faint touch on it and the ball trickles between Potter and into the net just inside the side netting. Absolute silence at our end. We sat too deep in the last ten minutes and no way would Beavon have conceded their first goal but we were done by the officials pure and simple on this occasion. Memo to Buckle: if you want to sit deep - don't bring on three lightweights on a glue pot pitch. The last ten minutes were crying out for Mark Ellis and another big booming header of the ball. Zebroski put in a great shift again but expecting to go one up front with a knackered player = no ball retention at the end of the game = pressure on your back four. End of story.
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Post by wigstongull68 on Feb 23, 2011 13:33:30 GMT
Poor poor finish to what should have been a cracking night. I'm still a bit shellshocked about how we threw away 2 points. We never looked second best from kick off, but if the game had been 2 minutes longer I feel sure we would have lost! A packed away end impressed me throughout, with our crowd showing theirs the way, constantly outshining the Robins supporters efforts. We certainly got our £20 worth of vocal. It was like they only had 400ish fans, not us! A great cross-pitch pass led to a stunning goal from Robinson, taking most by surprise, but it was a superb surprise for us. He knocked the pass down in front of him, ran onto it and wellied it. A stonker. Dannys goal looked a corker too, but would need a better look via television to really tell, but it lifted the crowd even higher. Don't understand why we needed to remove our front line in favour of midfielders in the second half, meaning we sat no further up than half way with the occasional meaningless foray into their territory. Which left us with only Zebs as an attacking force, and he stuck mainly to the wings. I agree with other comments concerning proffesional attitude and understanding in-game tactics, as far as the need to hang on to the ball and not just chuck it up to their keeper. One passage of play in particular sums it up for me. The ball is played forward to Danny with us under pressure at 1-2, he strolls forward and i'm thinking "take it to the corner, kill time", but I also realise that he's neither big/strong enough to hold off the defenders attention nor clever/skillful enough to use the ball well. He does the next best thing by laying it off to , I believe, Stanley, who takes a touch and smacks it across the edge of the box to no-one but their keeper! Who once again rolls the ball out and advances unchallenged up towards our half before banging it into our box. Two matters that need addressing mehinks. The foul on LRT was a disgrace, only bettered by the lino who saw nothing from 5yds! And as for our blokes getting carded for kicking the ball away, makes a mockery of it when their chappy knocks the ball out of Brannos hands at a throw as he walks past (right next to same said lino) clearly upset at it not being given their way! Kee looked up for it again, with good use of his chest most times. Branno was fine as was Stanley, with some others putting in decent shifts. And as far as LRT is concerned, he looked like he will become a very good defender given time and experience. He made some great blocks and covered well for the first 70ish minutes, but tiredness took it's toll and mixed with not coping with the onslaught, this meant hurried clearances to nowhere and losing focus on what was happening around him. Shame really. All in all I'd say we thrashed them in the battle of the terraces, but let ourselves down in the main arena. Hope my visit to Accrington on saturday has a happier journey home....
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Post by loyalgull on Feb 23, 2011 15:02:35 GMT
PB is on o/s stating a couple of more signings are on the cards,thats fine and healthy for competition,but we cannot keep gifting soft easy goals away,i still think we will be in the mix hopefully come may,but the sad thing is,all the points up to now we have lost needlessly would of probably put us in the top three.I now have a concern over our goalkeeping position,potter has started wobbling,and bevan in my opinion was incredibly unlicky to have been dropped anyway,may well take over again but nervous of the fact he could be ousted again,and what the hell was macklin doing playing last night? he hasnt sniffed a first team opportunity for months then suddenly he is in,he was substituted which probably says it all really.PB now has to make strong decisions,if the players out on the pitch cant or dont understand keepball,then bring in players that do know how to execute this simple football exercise
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