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Post by bobbytanz on Jan 29, 2011 21:29:13 GMT
We do all have differing opinions and so why knock each other over what is said  I thought today we were very very poor, no ideas, no desire and no guidance !!! You knew it would be a farce with the hideous man Raynor arguing with the ground staff, and it went down hill from there. fair play to Crawley they were the better side and the supporters I spoke to were nice honest fans and clearly aren't fans of Fatb Bloke and numptie either. I can see it know, 5th Round at The Emirates Wenger V Evans !!!! LOL |
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Post by Dave on Jan 29, 2011 21:39:50 GMT
I can understand people being annoyed after paying to watch that (although I still think the "I'm not bothering again" comment at the top of the page was and is pathetic). We are all different Lambie and can take defeats in different ways, I'm sure I have left Plainmoor in the past saying thats the last game for me as it was a waste of money. In the end things so often look different in a few days time and what we said after one very poor game soon gets forgotten as we start looking forward to the next match. I never read to much into what anyone says after such a painful defeat like todays was, football and TUFC are in the blood and unless they have a blood transfusion are unlikely to ever just give it all up. |
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Post by Enzo on Jan 29, 2011 21:45:00 GMT
Wow......somebody tell me that I have just had a bad dream - one where TUFC are shown up as a complete shambles on and off the pitch. I think Bucks and the players got lost in the hype of this and we didn't turn up. It was obvious what an Evans side would do and we fell for it - we completely lost our discipline.
JM summed it all up very well - forget the ref, forget the time wasting, forget the gamesmanship - Crawley did a job on us and were better than us all over the park......Bevan excluded - his two penalty saves were top drawer. I can't pass judgement on their keeper as he had nothing to do all match.
Paul Buckle got this wrong today - woefully wrong.....about as wrong as he got the Exeter Play offs a few years ago. We stood off Crawley and defended so deep we could have had a dip in Torquay Swimming Pool. Crawley however mauled us and never allowed us a second on the ball from start to finish. Benyon was isolated and ineffective, the only time Zebs controlled the ball cleanly was with his hand when he got sent off. O'Kane had a an off day by his high standards and it showed how much the team's creativity relies on him. Ellis and Branston were given a torrid time at the back. I have never seen a Torquay team lose it's discipline in such a way - at one stage O'Kane rugby tackled one of their players, the ref played an advantage and then Stevens kicked lumps out of the same player. Yes, the Crawley players made the most of things, but we lost our heads.
It will be a real test of Bucks, the players and the fans to pick ourselves up for Tuesday. Although this was a financial disaster we should keep things in perspective. This game was never a "day of destiny" as some fans seem to think. It would have been great to make history and the cash could have changed the next few seasons, but the FA Cup run has been a bonus which I doubt was budgeted for. When compared to the Cambridge Play Off game this pales into insignificance. Had we not won that I doubt we'd have ever made it back into the league. Crawley were better than us today and I wish them well, but even with their decent squad, lofty league position and temporary wealth I wouldn't trade our position with theirs. I value our league status too much - they will probably come up, but the BSP is a tough league to get out of.
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Post by Enzo on Jan 29, 2011 21:51:39 GMT
Not letting you get away with that Lambie my dear man  It most certainly is not the case any at todays games were terrible losers, we all paid good money, made the effort to be there and played our part as supporters for the whole game. What surprises me most though is how much people seem to have expected us to win – haven't people learnt anything in all their years following United?! I'm a bit of a pessimist when it comes to TUFC - I thought the bookies got this one wrong today and the odds on Crawley were far too generous.......given our home win ratio - the £500 makes the pill slightly (only very slightly) easier to swallow. |
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Post by chrish on Jan 29, 2011 22:47:47 GMT
Well, my thoughts. All this formation talk... You can play whatever formation you want BUT as long as a large part of the starting eleven are not 'up for it' from the start you simply can't beat the other team. Workrate comes always first, and how many times have we heard Paul Buckle say "you first have to earn the right to play" by putting in enormous effort. Under Paul Buckle we've played tremendous games in the FA Cup, most of them were won and some were lost by the odd goal. In almost every Cup game (against higher placed teams) the manager and the players have upped their game and made life difficult for the opponents. Then why did they crumble today? I simply can't tell you and to be honest none of us can, if you ask me. In recent years we've had some real lows and some brilliant highs, we all know which games I mean. That's football! I feel miserable right now and it will take some time to get this game out of my system but eventually it will. Today being a TUFC supporter sucks, but there will come a day we all feel very proud again. Maybe that day will come sooner than we all think, that's also football; always unpredictable. Or you go and support a team like Man United, always more chance to experience high times. What were the lyrics of that song made by Chumbawamba... This kind of echoes my thoughts really. Too many players didnt turn up today and i think we got the tactics wrong. I think (but i'm not sure) that the idea was to try and entince crawley onto us and then use the pace of our players to hit them on the break. Their number 27 in particular (the bald centre have) seemed to be vunerable against any pace. But as you say crawley offered little and we should've been more positive. The second half was completely crazy and enzo is quite right we lost our disclipline against a side who reminded me of ian branfoot's visiting fulham side in 1994 with a particular breed of horrible cynical football. Bitterly disapointed but somehow i'm not surprised. As least we can concentrate on league now  |
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Post by petef on Jan 29, 2011 23:09:30 GMT
Thank you Chris Coleman for seeing what we all saw today .
Yes we were poor but they played every joker they had, falling over at the slightest contact and the prat of a Ref fell for it all hook line and sinker. Unprofessional and very dubious tactics certainly contributed to our downfall today though I must say we should have been prepared for that. We were a bit naive and far to honest in that respect.
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Post by johncad on Jan 29, 2011 23:10:01 GMT
Could anyone else bear to watch the highlights? We were on first. In fairness to itv, they weren't afraid to criticise Crawley's approach, Mssrs Coleman and Hughton were complimentary about Bucks, and they showed a 'best of' Paul Raynor 's antics from the afternoon...including a bust up with Scott the groundsman! Quite incredible. Was galling to watch them celebrate though. Let's put it right on Tuesday.
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Post by harboursidegull on Jan 29, 2011 23:20:58 GMT
Clubs in recent months without a manager rumoured to be interested in Bucks.... erm ... Quite a few ....... and the reason he's still here ...... because he's tactically inept....... and people who know football........ know that.
Boyce , Coote,Rowe, Phillips and Baker are not footie people BUT they are very successful business guys.
Colin Lee knew his footie and was dispatched ... for apparently being paid too much...... What short memories we have .......
Would Leroy have started 4-5-1....Would Wes be wearin a suit... would Ian Atkins have lost this game,would Cyril stand for this crap .... Soz dont think so .
Bucks is a lucky chancer... Bringing on Halpin !!!!! WTF surely Hemmings would fancied it ...put him in the shop window and all that ...........Won four league games at home all season.
I'll get me coat.... still pissed right off......
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Post by chrisf on Jan 29, 2011 23:27:11 GMT
I refused to watch the highlights tonight for the sake of the dog's health. Maybe on the i-player thingymajig tomorrow if I'm feeling better. We can't blame the ref or the cheating diving gamesmanship of Crawley for us only having three shots on target and three corners all game though  |
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Post by Enzo on Jan 29, 2011 23:38:36 GMT
Thank you Chris Coleman for seeing what we all saw today . Yes we were poor but they played every joker they had, falling over at the slightest contact and the prat of a Ref fell for it all hook line and sinker. Unprofessional and very dubious tactics certainly contributed to our downfall today though I must say we should have been prepared for that. We were a bit naive and far to honest in that respect. Was the second penalty a dive? |
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Post by chrish on Jan 30, 2011 0:37:16 GMT
Thank you Chris Coleman for seeing what we all saw today . Yes we were poor but they played every joker they had, falling over at the slightest contact and the prat of a Ref fell for it all hook line and sinker. Unprofessional and very dubious tactics certainly contributed to our downfall today though I must say we should have been prepared for that. We were a bit naive and far to honest in that respect. Was the second penalty a dive? I think their player made sure he made contact and then went down like he'd been shot. Still it was more convincing than the stevenage penalty shout. |
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Post by alunmeerkat on Jan 30, 2011 7:06:46 GMT
I don't feel any better this morning. Seldom can a defeat have brought so much adverse reaction.
I stand by the key reason for our defeat was that Buckle paid Crawley too much respect and tactically got it completely wrong.
Zebroski had an off day but I am not going to criticise him as he has be an excellent player for us.
His effectiveness was negated by being asked to play right wing and striker at the same time.
As soon as Kee came on and we went 4-4-2 Zebs got the ball and went past his full back like he wasn't there.
What a shame he got sent off just afterwards and we were back to one up front..
Its still so galling though - an imbecile of a referee, Raynor. the money we have lost, but the biggest sickener of the lot is that we went went with an absolute whimper.
A criminal waste of the biggest opportunity in our history,
How the hell Crawley have managed to beat three league clubs is beyond me - but you have got to say they got bodies in the box in the first half - there looked like only one team who was trying to score a goal.
I think its going to be awfully difficult for the manager to pick the players up here - the loss of the feelgood factor is going to be massive.
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Post by hullgull on Jan 30, 2011 7:36:20 GMT
hi alun mate,know wot ur saying.with wots happened in the last few weeks conceding late goals and yesterday,will be hard to pick em up,but trying to be optomistic or maybe i am deluding myself,sure we will be ready for tues night,we have to be,i think wot hurts the most is that there was no fight in us at all,ok bucks got the formation wrong,thats another issue,but surely as i have said in a previous post the players have stand up and realise what was awaiting them in the next round,many of them may never play at a large stadium what more incentive do they need,and of course to wear that gulls shirt with pride.........whinge over now, lets move on now and show what we are all about at its not the end of the season by a long way,am still realistic we are a playoff team.....simon
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Post by familystander on Jan 30, 2011 8:21:35 GMT
Well I'm over it already. Yes we went out with a whimper, yes we got sucked into their game plan, yes they are a bunch of cheats (well done ITV for highlighting), and yes we got our tactics wrong. Unfotunately zebs deserved to go, and you cannot blame Paul Buckle if his key player petulantly trips an opponent in the way he did and then blatently handles in the area. Two yellows in anyones book. I actually thought the ref was wrong to send off their guy, or at least it should have been Mills- I bet Crawley appeal. It has been mentioned before. The conundrum for PB is fitting O'Kane in the side, I'm sure that is why he plays one up. Although the formation can work well, our main problem has been leaking goals and not converting chances, loads of chances. Also not having "luck". On form the result was not a suprise. Time to move on and concentrate on the bread and butter. And by the way, the club has not "lost money". If you are foolish enough to have been counting the money before the tie was played then you really are on another planet.  |
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Post by greedygull on Jan 30, 2011 8:21:55 GMT
i think that the only thing bucks got wrong today was his use of subs. i'd have brought kee on earlier and hemmings on. apart from that it was down to the players and its no use making excuses for them like the formation, having an off day a broken nose or a bad toe. if benyons and wroes game suffered because of that they shouldnt have been in the squad let alone starting !! the subs today must have been wondering what theyve got to do to get a proper look in especially when they see poor performances like that in front of their eyes. the bottom line for me is that there are too many players on our team who are just not good enough against a physical team cheating or not or tbh just not good enough full stop
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