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Post by jmgull on Sept 7, 2010 19:28:16 GMT
Danny Senda (former Wycombe and Millwall) on trial and starting at right-back. IMO would be a wonderful addition to the squad if he is over two seasons of agony with knee injuries. For me, a better right back than Robbo any day of the week. Good to see that he's finally here for a trial anyway, apparently the lad even wrote to us during pre season without success, as he was without a club and had heard we were looking for a right back. Apparently, early next morning the postman brought it back.......and wrote upon it Reeeeetuuuurn to Senda.......address unknown, no such number etc etc. ...ok i'll get me coat
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Post by loyalgull on Sept 7, 2010 20:10:13 GMT
a first class delivery of a joke i might add
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Post by Budleigh on Sept 7, 2010 20:42:24 GMT
Post of the week?
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Post by Jon on Sept 7, 2010 22:38:57 GMT
Decent match report now up: www.torquayunited.com/page/News/0,,10445~2146973,00.html We looked comfortable with Exeter's young team allowing O'Kane and Halpin to look the class acts that they are when given time on the ball - it ain't so easy with a nasty old pro kicking lumps out of you. A note on the formation. It looks an obvious 4-4-2, but I was confused at the start to see Halpin and Macklin both playing on the left wing, rather than Macklin on the right as I had expected. We played more of a 3-4-3 with Senda pushing up to right midfield / wing back, Halpin left midfield, Kee centre forward with Yeoman to his right and Macklin to his left. Macklin and Yeoman swapped flanks for the second half, so we looked more of a 4-4-2 when Macklin pulled out wide, but it was still more of a 3-4-3. I didn't think Senda stood out at all and he had a sloppy patch early in the second half when he made two careless unforced errors in quick succession which made me comment to Barton on the pressures of being a trialist - with the fear that a cockup or two might blow your chances. An impressive performance overall, but we do need to take on board the strength of the opposition - which will be a vastly varying factor in this League. Interesting to note that, although we had ten pros and a trialist, we were still a very young side ourselves. Barring Potter and Charnock (I must add Senda after reading up more on who he is), all the others were, I think, 20 or under.
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Post by tqyfan1 on Sept 7, 2010 23:15:52 GMT
like i said before, i only really view a few players to rate, the ones who stick out.
potter had a very quiet game very little to do untill the end as most of the city shots were way of target
rowe turner, composed on the ball, good defending should go on a few more runs though i think good cross for the first goal
halpin much more improved since the time i last saw him played well through out and his goal was quite impressive
yeoman a very poor game even though he scored selfed the ball a little too much and didnt put kee in enough also lost the ball quite easialy kee, good header for his goal, played quite well throughtout the match also set up yeoman i think
macklin scored a good goal in his game
a side note on the "rowdy fans" again, although there weren't as many of them as usual they were very much well behaved almost as if they had read what was on the forums. i think i only heard them swear once in the entire match, although as it was a smaller group we will have to wait and see at the next away game to how it has changed
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Post by merse on Sept 7, 2010 23:33:44 GMT
I didn't think Senda stood out at all and he had a sloppy patch early in the second half when he made two careless unforced errors in quick succession which made me comment to Barton on the pressures of being a trialist - with the fear that a cockup or two might blow your chances. Considering the player's been out of contract anywhere for the past year and out of full fitness and regular first team football for ages, I think it's a big ask to expect too much in the way of a consistent performance in any type of game at this juncture. In the circumstances, looking for him to "stand out" is a little unrealistic to say the least, and if we were to consider him as an addition to our squad I think a "pay as you play" type of arrangement might be the best he can expect at the beginning. A product of North West London youth football, he arrived at Wycombe from Southampton where he had learned his trade as a striker. A class performer when I saw him play last for Wycombe, and at well under thirty years of age; a prime example of just how short lived and precarious a professional footballer's career can be.......................I wish him the very best of luck and would be delighted to see him prove himself once again at OUR club; but I just hope that if he is given a chance that the numpties will back off him as he tries to re-adapt to the pace and demands of First Team football far more readily than they did with either Lathaniel Rowe-Turner or Mo Camara!
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Post by merse on Sept 7, 2010 23:47:04 GMT
I didn't think Senda stood out at all and he had a sloppy patch early in the second half when he made two careless unforced errors in quick succession............. I think the conversation I had this evening with the coach at QPR who coaches the squad Anthony's having his 6 week trial with illustrates the very different way the pro's view a player on trial than fans do. I had already received a phone call from the club today giving me some feedback on his first week there as we travelled over this afternoon, and after training tonight I asked his team coach for his personal feedback and he emphasized that with trialists their skill and ability is already taken as a given in that they were scouted by the club and then further monitored BEFORE any trial was offered; and that what is mostly looked for in a trial is the level of desire, determination and the will to fit into the squad the individual can display during that period. They allow for the fact that trialists will often try too hard to impress their skill levels and get caught in possession and that they will often try the more difficult aspects of the game as opposed to the more mundane and "safe" options. So there we have it Jon......................don't go to reserve games expecting to see trialists play like Billy Big time and send you all home waxing lyrical!
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Post by dazgull on Sept 8, 2010 8:18:13 GMT
Also went along last night and was good to see them trying out a different formation, 3-4-3. The first 20 mins or so we passed them off the park and scored a couple of good goals and one scrappy one (tey all count!). Must admit i didnt know who this Senda was and thought he was one of our youngsters but he didnt look out of place.
Once Macklin had scored early in the second half the game was over and Exeter had more of the ball. Neither side really seemed bothered about tackling very much in the middle of the park and when Exeter got near our defennce and couldnt get through just tried shots from distance and ended up in the big bank. When we did attack we did try to walk through them when maybe actually taking on the defenders may have been more helpful.
Typical of Exeter that once they got into the 3mins injury time they won a penalty and then scored again from a tap in after Potter had made a save from a free kick.
Exeter had Krysiak (??) in goal and he played against us up at Burton last year, had Ben Watson up front and Jake Thompson at right back (yes right back) and he was poor there.
Not surprising from the stick he got all night from the numpty brigade. Some of there other comments were pathetic to say the least.
A good 90mins for most of ours and although would have liked to see Macklin/Halpin take on the fullbacks more they showed up well enough. First real look at Lathrope and whilst he didnt have a bad game thought he could have closed them down a bit more and he and Okane were too close together at times.
The defence coped ok and Palmer did ok Rowe-Turner also could have pushed on more as plenty of space.
Saw a few Torquay fans dotted amongst the crowd so probably 50 odd out of the 388 crowd.
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Post by merse on Sept 8, 2010 10:11:04 GMT
Also went along last night and was good to see them trying out a different formation, 3-4-3. Looking at the starting lineup, I would think that 3-4-3 was utilised in order to have a look at LRT playing in a central defending position and also to maximise the stenghts of trialist Danny Senda who WAS used as a right sided midfield player by Tony Adams when he was his manager at Wycombe..................he didn't play as a fullback until after Adams departed to the best of my knowledge; and when he did it was on the suggstion of that excellently perceptive coach John Gorman.Trying to "pass through" sides in a less competitive reserve fixture is pefectly understandable too, as opposed to trying to take on and beat individuals. Establishing good passing and movement practice throughout the club has to be a good policy especially in the light of reports of the First Team tending to surrender possession rather cheaply during the first half of last Saturday's game at Southend.
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Post by dazgull on Sept 8, 2010 11:00:31 GMT
Im preseason LRT played a couple of times at centre back and last night it worked although they werent tested as they may well have liked.
Senda sort of moved between right midfield and right back when any attack of any note happened and seemed comfortable on the ball. After his injury he will probably need several of these games to get back up to first team level.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Sept 8, 2010 17:48:23 GMT
I recall from Gary Nelson's "Left Foot Forward" book from about 15 seasons ago that he gave a good insight into his experience of reserve football (in some of his many matches that he played that season). It seemed to be a mixed bag of some players trying to impress as individuals and that had a negative impact on the team performance as a whole, some players who seemed to be there to get a reaction to being dropped and some that were basically marking time before their contracts expired. I feel that our reserve set-up would be nothing like that.
Our reserve team is such an integral part to what the club is trying to achieve on the pitch. So often in the past there had been many young players that have come through the youth set-up only to get cameo appearances from the bench, fail to shine in an often struggling team and then move-on. Given the investment into the youth set-up, it is essential to have some sort of transition side that allows players to move-up to playing alongside senior players in a fairly competitive setting to help them towards the first team. Having seen O'Kane, Halpin and Kee play just a little bit, I am excited about their ability but am really hopeful that they could thrive in reserve matches and this could allow them to build-up form and "hit the ground running" when they get their chances in the first team. Who knows, maybe some of the players that showed some decent performances in the pre-season against "men's teams" could have continued their football development within the club rather than going to play at Western League?
On the subject of Senda - I recall him having the reputation of being a decent player but bow to the better judgement of others that have seen him play. Perhaps along the lines of Jason Fowler we could have a player on our hands that we might never have the opportunity to sign if he hadn't had a serious injury (in the same way that Exeter have Noble). The question is whether he can get back to a level of fitness and mobility that will let him challenge for regular football - between our coaching and medical staff I am sure they can figure that out.
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Post by merse on Sept 8, 2010 18:44:49 GMT
Given the investment into the youth set-up, it is essential to have some sort of transition side that allows players to move-up to playing alongside senior players in a fairly competitive setting to help them towards the first team. Absolutely got it in one and many other clubs who have re-structured their set ups are regarding these teams as "Development Teams" rather than Reserve Teams. I think in Garry's day, much of reserve team football was seen as some sort of onerous duty for "Old Lags" amongst the senior pro's who's careers had become more downwardly mobile than upward. Unlike many clubs, Torquay United have gone INTO a structured "reserve league" rather than pulled out of one, and as I said the other week; in London just Arsenal, Chelsea, and West Ham from amongst the Premier clubs have stayed within the Premiership Reserve League for this season, causing a huge logistical problem for the organisors who have had to impose travel to the other end of the country to keep clubs who share that wish at Premiership level to retain a meaningful fixture list so that now London clubs have to play the likes of Sunderland, Newcastle and Blackburn in order to have a full calender of games rather than the "south of Birmingham" limitations of before.
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Post by Jon on Sept 8, 2010 22:25:47 GMT
So there we have it Jon......................don't go to reserve games expecting to see trialists play like Billy Big time and send you all home waxing lyrical! Not quite sure why you have to adopt the snearing "I am considerably better informed than you" tone, although I might have my theories on that. I certainly do NOT go to reserve games expecting to see trialists play like Billy Big time and send me home waxing lyrical! I did not know who Senda was (he was D.Sender on the teamsheet) so had no expectations of him whatsoever. Seeing as there was interest in him from a few people, I tried to incorporate what I did notice about him in my very brief report. I mentioned that he played a wide midfield role rather than a full back role and mentioned the two cockups in quick succession that led to him throwing up an arm in acknowledgment of the fact. If he'd been miked up, you could imagine him saying "Oh, bugger" in an "Unlucky Alf" style. I am quite sure that professional coaches and scouts see through "glaring errors" but I bet that the trialist commiting one - or in this case two in rapid succession - feels that he has "blown it". I have interviewed people who have stumbled over answers through nerves, but still given them the job because I could see beyond that. They have said to me "I couldn't believe I'd got the job after I lashed up that answer". If you read my post, I specifically sympathised with trialists in general over the pressure of feeling that their career is on the line. I mentioned that Senda did not "stand out" because that is true. He didn't stick out as particularly good, bad, fit, unfit, disinterested or anything else. Jake Thomson "stood out" as the only player on the pitch who looked like he felt he was too good to be there. O'Kane stood out through his touch and passing. If I had played at right back, I would have stood out - like a sore thumb. Senda did not to the casual observer (which I am - I am not a professional scout or coach) appear to be far removed from the general standard of play either in a good way or a bad way- i.e. he did not "stand out". If I gave out marks (which I certainly would not ) using a baseline of 7, he would have got a 7, or possibly a 6 if I knocked a mark off for the two errors. If I used a baseline of 6.5, forcing me to mark players up to a 7 or down to a 6, he would have got a 6. Merse, I do actually agree with almost all that you say about players' temperaments, player development, management and coaching styles, etc. I don't know why you can't just rely on your very knowledgeable input on these issues to grant you the gravitas that you deserve. You do not need to belittle others to buld up your own importance. If anything, the tactic makes people less open to taking on board what you have to say. That is a great shame, because if people could read what you say without having a negative pre-conception of you due to your hectoring style, they might learn something!
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Post by merse on Sept 8, 2010 22:35:29 GMT
Jon.................don't start that weary old rubbish again. If you don't like my "style" ~ scroll on matey, we all have our different ways
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Post by Jon on Sept 8, 2010 22:39:24 GMT
If you don't like my "style" ~ scroll on matey, we all have our different ways I would have done, if you hadn't specifically derided me for doing something I hadn't done! Maybe I should just stop posting anything at all so that you can't look down your nose at me - a course that so many other have taken.
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