petef
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Post by petef on Sept 5, 2010 13:46:05 GMT
I'm afraid we are all now reaping the rewards for next to zero school discipline, and the "you cant touch me or Ill sue you" culture that our nation has embraced for the last decade or two.
It must be a complete and utter nightmare for any teacher in our modern school system to attempt to do a good job and teach those who really want to learn.
The do gooders who have introduced this legislation where a child /teenager cannot be properly punished on the spot for serious misdemeanor have left the profession with little or no power to control classrooms and we as a society are now paying the price. I accept that the vast majority of kids are good natured and on the whole well behaved but it only takes a very small element for society to tar them all with the same brush.
When I entered secondary school I was terrified by the threats of real punishment that you remembered throughout your school life with certain teachers actually demonstrating how and with what you would be punished. Seems Dickens-ion now but it kept many in line thoughI have admit I was whacked a few times for stepping out of line you soon learned to respect that teacher and he always managed to keep good order in the classroom.
The element that we have all witnessed are thankfully in the minority but have unfortunately attached themselves to our club and represent us all on away trips. I have personally had confrontations with a similar group a few seasons ago in the middle of the pop side when a couple were continually trying to push me and nudge down the terrace for nearly the whole match, I suppose because I had the nerve to stand in front of them. Eventually I cracked and lost it turned and threatened them. they didn't expect it and looked shocked but they did then stop. By that time I had lost interest in he game and very nearly TUFC lost me as a supporter.
How do we stop poor behaviour? not sure what the answer is but with any success on the pitch you will get an ebven larger element of this type of supporter who come along for the ride and tarnish ours and the clubs name.
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Post by loyalgull on Sept 5, 2010 14:06:37 GMT
petef you me and dave roach attended highweek,in a time when you either behaved or paid the consequences,the t-square certainly put you on the right road if required.The youth of today as you rightly say,have no respect for anyone,particularly for themselves.It will go full circle i believe,the goody goody brigade have made a monster that is now out of control,for the present.Whilst we live in a society that gives everything to the bad,and ignores the good,this unacceptable behaviour will continue,parenting is also a big factor,the word no,doesnt appear in the delinquents vocabulary either,as there parents dont give a monkeys either.We need to get the rubbish out of the club asap,the sooner the better as far as i am concerned
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 5, 2010 14:49:18 GMT
The do gooders who have introduced this legislation where a child /teenager cannot be properly punished on the spot for serious misdemeanor have left the profession with little or no power to control classrooms and we as a society are now paying the price. I accept that the vast majority of kids are good natured and on the whole well behaved but it only takes a very small element for society to tar them all with the same brush. When I entered secondary school I was terrified by the threats of real punishment that you remembered throughout your school life with certain teachers actually demonstrating how and with what you would be punished. Seems Dickens-ion now but it kept many in line thoughI have admit I was whacked a few times for stepping out of line you soon learned to respect that teacher and he always managed to keep good order in the classroom. Okay, it's been a good 10 years since I left school, but there were no slippers or canes deployed in my day at school and I had no male teachers at Primary School either. Despite this, I haven't become a yob on the terraces or a delinquent elsewhere, and I don't remember the classroom being a place of debauchery or indiscipline either. Does this mean that me and my school friends were incredibly lucky, or is it that things are perhaps a little more complicated than that Pete? Alpine says it's too late for the genie to be put back in the bottle. I would suggest that the genie isn't quite so bad as it seems. Even at Roots Hall yesterday it was possible to move a couple of rows away to escape most of the juvenility on offer. From my new vantage point I saw a man aged at least 70 ask a St John's Ambulance man if he enjoyed pies before burlesquely rubbing an imaginary belly and then confronting a steward during the game. It made me laugh at the time, perhaps it was the thought that his teachers must've disciplined him with a silk slipper at school that tickled me. ;D |
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Post by Enzo on Sept 5, 2010 16:29:44 GMT
I presume our fitness levels are fine, but the other comment made by a neutral was that several of our players appeared to be carrying a bit of weight. I would agree with him. I'm sure I saw a Torquay player tucking into a fried breakfast on the Football League Show on matchday last night. Others have also mentioned seeing the players enjoying McDonalds on the way back from games I'm not saying footballers should never eat fried meat or food, but these guys are professional sportsmen, and that doesn't seem to me to be the best food to be eating before or after a game. I'm no diet or fitness expert, but I have tried to take my fitness seriously from time to time, and McDonalds and fried breakfasts certainly did not feature during these periods! Yes, I saw that too. In the olden days it always used to be fish and chips on the bus home. If I recall correctly, it was one of the things that Colin Lee changed when he came first time around. I did find the fried breaky strange, but I'm sure the club have got some dietician on board. I do find it amazing that some professional sportsment maintain their flab despite all the training they do. |
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Post by Enzo on Sept 5, 2010 16:34:46 GMT
In hindsight, I did see Manse and Branston clear one another out in the highlights last night, but I still don't think the centre-backs missed a header during the game and they shouldn't really be relied upon for their distribution - that should be down to the midfield and that is where we lost yesterday's game. Yes, I agree about the headers. But I'd expect that against Blair Sturrock. My complaint about distribution was in respct of sliced or poor clearances that just invited presure and dropped us deeper - too many of those yesterday. I agree - with our midfield yesterday, we were never going to get a result. |
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petef
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Post by petef on Sept 5, 2010 16:48:30 GMT
petef you me and dave roach attended highweek,in a time when you either behaved or paid the consequences,the t-square certainly put you on the right road if required.The youth of today as you rightly say,have no respect for anyone,particularly for themselves.It will go full circle i believe,the goody goody brigade have made a monster that is now out of control,for the present.Whilst we live in a society that gives everything to the bad,and ignores the good,this unacceptable behaviour will continue,parenting is also a big factor,the word no,doesnt appear in the delinquents vocabulary either,as there parents dont give a monkeys either.We need to get the rubbish out of the club asap,the sooner the better as far as i am concerned Hey loyal didnt realise you were a Highweek boy just a few years behind I guess. ::)I was no angel by any means but recieved the cane from the headmaster (Eric Down) merely for a four letter expletive whilst playing football in the playground - see even now it sticks in my mind. Other teachers paths I crossed was Dicky Lavers who used to stick your head under a shelf before unleashing his size 10 slipper across your posterior. A guy called Ralston who used to either wack you around the head make you deaf for an hour ( now this is dangerous when I think of it now) or give you a seeing to with one of the gym ropes that hung from eithr wall. They all had thir own techniques, Bill Teague used to throw the blackboard rubber or use his blackboard ruller Johny Guest hit you with a cane whils leaping from a chair supposedly though I must say I never expeienced or witnessed this. Happy days eh!  |
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Post by loyalgull on Sept 5, 2010 17:16:41 GMT
thats right petef,all the named by you i knew ralston was infact rawstron a ginger haired psycho teacher of athletics.Guesty was my english teacher,don mayberry was the main instiller of punishment.I left in 1974,with total respect for adults and knowing right from wrong,values i instill into my own children,but without the physical implementation of those long off days.School and home are where respect or lack of it starts,the yobs at plainmoor are a sad reflection of changing attitudes and what becomes acceptable i am afraid
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Post by stuartB on Sept 5, 2010 20:18:16 GMT
I presume our fitness levels are fine, but the other comment made by a neutral was that several of our players appeared to be carrying a bit of weight. I would agree with him. I'm sure I saw a Torquay player tucking into a fried breakfast on the Football League Show on matchday last night. Others have also mentioned seeing the players enjoying McDonalds on the way back from games I'm not saying footballers should never eat fried meat or food, but these guys are professional sportsmen, and that doesn't seem to me to be the best food to be eating before or after a game. I'm no diet or fitness expert, but I have tried to take my fitness seriously from time to time, and McDonalds and fried breakfasts certainly did not feature during these periods! It's good enough for the world's fastest man. Listened to a great interview on radio 5 live with Usain Bolt. What a great guy. He ate 20 chicken nuggets, a couple of fries and a large coke 2 hours before winning the Olympic Gold. Is this special diet thing, nonsense or is there anything in it? rabbit food for rabbits!! |
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 5, 2010 20:29:45 GMT
I would agree with him. I'm sure I saw a Torquay player tucking into a fried breakfast on the Football League Show on matchday last night. Others have also mentioned seeing the players enjoying McDonalds on the way back from games I'm not saying footballers should never eat fried meat or food, but these guys are professional sportsmen, and that doesn't seem to me to be the best food to be eating before or after a game. I'm no diet or fitness expert, but I have tried to take my fitness seriously from time to time, and McDonalds and fried breakfasts certainly did not feature during these periods! It's good enough for the world's fastest man. Listened to a great interview on radio 5 live with Usain Bolt. What a great guy. He ate 20 chicken nuggets, a couple of fries and a large coke 2 hours before winning the Olympic Gold. Is this special diet thing, nonsense or is there anything in it? rabbit food for rabbits!! I would bet that Usain Bolt doesn't actually eat chicken nuggets and fries before and after every race, even if he claims to. I also think there's a difference between an explosive, largely anaerobic form of exercise like sprinting than a game of football which requires high levels of aerobic fitness and stamina. Don't think anyone's saying the players should be expected to eat leaves and raw carrots on the way home (although who knows, maybe that is what they eat?). I would just be surprised if the consumption of fried breakfasts and fast food formed a regular part of the team's pre- and post- match routine. |
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Post by stuartB on Sept 5, 2010 20:46:28 GMT
It's good enough for the world's fastest man. Listened to a great interview on radio 5 live with Usain Bolt. What a great guy. He ate 20 chicken nuggets, a couple of fries and a large coke 2 hours before winning the Olympic Gold. Is this special diet thing, nonsense or is there anything in it? rabbit food for rabbits!! I would bet that Usain Bolt doesn't actually eat chicken nuggets and fries before and after every race, even if he claims to. I also think there's a difference between an explosive, largely anaerobic form of exercise like sprinting than a game of football which requires high levels of aerobic fitness and stamina. Don't think anyone's saying the players should be expected to eat leaves and raw carrots on the way home (although who knows, maybe that is what they eat?). I would just be surprised if the consumption of fried breakfasts and fast food formed a regular part of the team's pre- and post- match routine. i think our learned friend Mr Merson, pointed out last year the awful habits that a certain Mr Hargreaves and his crew (Nicholson, Mansell, Bevan and Ellis) had as far as eating was concerned. not surprising that certain players form improved once he left for Oxford |
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Post by mandi on Sept 5, 2010 21:26:15 GMT
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Don't think anyone's saying the players should be expected to eat leaves and raw carrots on the way home (although who knows, maybe that is what they eat?). I would just be surprised if the consumption of fried breakfasts and fast food formed a regular part of the team's pre- and post- match routine.
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Well their post match regime is pizzas after every home match, does that count as fast food.
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Post by Jon on Sept 5, 2010 21:37:17 GMT
that doesn't seem to me to be the best food to be eating before or after a game. Nobody has mentioned Annie's doughnuts yet!  |
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 5, 2010 21:51:15 GMT
Well their post match regime is pizzas after every home match, does that count as fast food. Depends what's on it and who makes it I guess. Lots of veg and lean chicken on a wholemeal dough would be okay washed down with orange juice. But a greasy effort from the likes of Domino's washed down with cherry coke or Fanta probably wouldn't be! |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Sept 5, 2010 22:30:25 GMT
I did bump into a couple of players in a Tesco Metro a couple of hours after a match not too long ago. The curry microwave meals seemed to be their weapon of choice for the evening ;D ;D Also used to see Sillsy in the local chippie every once in a while |
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 5, 2010 22:42:57 GMT
Well what they eat is their business I guess, and I wouldn't want fans to be poring over my shopping basket in Tescos and reporting the results on a forum that's for sure! Maybe they take the view that if they prove their fitness in training then they can eat what they want. I suppose that would be hard to argue with, but it would still be a bit of strange way for a bunch of professional sportsmen to carry on if you ask me.
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