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Post by loyalgull on Aug 29, 2010 14:16:07 GMT
bournemouth nicked two wins off us last season and off other teams as well,they are now in league one doing well,they dont care how well they played or how lucky they were,its a results business and at present no complaints from me,the history books show we won,thats the ultimate prize.Many sides have won promotion nicking 1-0 results here and there,i would take that
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Post by warwickgull on Aug 29, 2010 14:24:52 GMT
Firstly Chris, yes Vale are one of the bigger teams but so what, they were still garbage on the day. Secondly pehaps my 5 out of 10s differ to yours mate. Perhaps your 6s are equivilant to my 5s who cares. Newspaper player ratings differ by 1 or 2 points regularly in their match write ups so why not on here? Why are some on here so worked up about marks out of 10? If it makes you all happy I will change the 5s to friggin 6sss I don't have player ratings. I started to hate them when Championship Manager got more difficult. I used to like them when I was younger and more stupid but now I prefer to judge players solely on the context on the game, the opposition and a number of other factors that cannot be summed up by a single number. I think Port Vale are decent team who didn't turn up for the first 30 minutes. They had a good 15 minutes before half time and then we controlled the 2nd half apart from a few chances. It's worth noting that the Bevan triple save was from a free kick given by that prat of a of Referee for absolutely nothing. To satisfy Svenzo I'd like to say that a) you're right that Benyon, Carlisle and Stevens didn't have their best games in a yellow jersey, b) but it's my opinion that giving low player ratings and saying Benyon didn't look interested is a bit harsh. Yes i can agree with most of that, although I was really disappointed with Vale. I think they really missed Haldane, they didn't really have anything width or pace wise to hurt us and ended up pumping it up to their big forwards who were constantly losing out to our centre backs. I just got frustrated because we played so well for 30 minns and then seemed to take the foot off the pedal, get sloppy possesion wise and let them back in to the game, although their goal was a wonder strike. The ref was terrible, not a dirty game at all, but every time there was a foul he seemed to brandish a yellow, ridiculous. I think Vale will be up there come the end but not in the auto places, not enough creativity. |
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Post by Rags on Aug 29, 2010 14:55:33 GMT
But if he is going to judge the team as harshly and critically in future, I wonder what intrinsic value or benefit his report will offer to this site.And that is my humble and subjective opinion!  What a totally ridiculous thing to say Rags, what do we want a forum with a good selection of viewpoints or just let one or two on here only be allowed to express their views so no others can have a viewpoint of their own. What a totally ridiculous thing to say, Dave. So if I come on here and spout a load of nonsense which bears no relation to the game (and no, I am not saying that warwickgull or anyone else has done that), have I have contributed something of benefit to the readers of this post? Take my statement in context: if [name your poster] is going to judge the team's performance harshly and critically, then ask the question I am asking. The Football League paper states that Benyon "led the Torquay front line exceptionally well". I don't think that view has any more validity than warwickgull saying that he thought Benyon was disinterested. I'm not challenging warwickgull's opinions, but I am challenging the fact that he rates 7/11ths of our team as being average or worse: that's not good or worse, or average, but average to poor. There is a very clear difference between the two: warwickgull's opinions and his low marking. It is that difference that I am challenging, as you yourself, Dave, welcome on this forum. Or so I thought... |
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 29, 2010 15:02:26 GMT
I don't think there is actually any broad disagreement on this thread but for what it is worth Simon Smedley in the Football League Paper gave the following ratings: Scott Bevan 7 Kevin Nicholson 7 Mark Ellis 8 Chris Robertson 7 Guy Branston 7 Nicky Wroe 7 Danny Stevens 6 Chris Zebroski 9 Lee Mansell 7 Wayne Carlisle 6 Elliot Benyon 7 Possibly a bit harsh on Bevan but that is just his opinion  Zebs made their league 2 team of the week and Buckle L2 manager of the week for the third time in August. Hopefully we won't have to shell out for another bottle this month!  |
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Post by warwickgull on Aug 29, 2010 15:23:51 GMT
What a totally ridiculous thing to say Rags, what do we want a forum with a good selection of viewpoints or just let one or two on here only be allowed to express their views so no others can have a viewpoint of their own. What a totally ridiculous thing to say, Dave. So if I come on here and spout a load of nonsense which bears no relation to the game (and no, I am not saying that warwickgull or anyone else has done that), have I have contributed something of benefit to the readers of this post? Take my statement in context: if [name your poster] is going to judge the team's performance harshly and critically, then ask the question I am asking. The Football League paper states that Benyon "led the Torquay front line exceptionally well". I don't think that view has any more validity than warwickgull saying that he thought Benyon was disinterested. I'm not challenging warwickgull's opinions, but I am challenging the fact that he rates 7/11ths of our team as being average or worse: that's not good or worse, or average, but average to poor. There is a very clear difference between the two: warwickgull's opinions and his low marking. It is that difference that I am challenging, as you yourself, Dave, welcome on this forum. Or so I thought... All these bloomin marks dont mean toffy though bud. You keep going on about this 7/11ths of the team stuff. I can just as easily say look at it from my point of view. Some of you have a problem with the 3 low marks I gave Carlisle Benyon and Stevens. My marks compared to the football league paper are only 1 short for both Carlisle and Stevens. Ok Benyon got 7 when i gave him 5 but look at the mark they gave Bevan. He got a 7 when I gave him 9, so have I been over genorous there? |
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Post by aussie on Aug 29, 2010 15:28:57 GMT
I listened to DT on the wireless and he pretty much came over with very similar opinions as Warwick, I ask myself the question as to why Danny was subbed and it follows suit that he was not at his best compared to his own high standards recently! Dt was also critical of Gritts hospital ball near the end, now surely if everyone respects DT`s views and opinions so much then why all the hassle about Warwicks match report when they (in my opinion) were very very similar? Sounds like a whole lot of argueing just for the sake of it!
On another note Kane`o is quality: fact! I doubted him when he first arrived and had arguements about him with some Colleraine fans, they were spot on about how much potential Eunan has and how good he is already, where`s the humble pie? I apologize whole heartedly to those Northern Irish folk, they know their footy, do you think they have any more like Eunan over there that we could pinch?
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Post by chrish on Aug 29, 2010 15:50:08 GMT
Sounds like a whole lot of argueing just for the sake of it! I'm very surprised it took you so long to join in It's not my fault that WarwickGull is stingy on his player ratings is it now? |
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Post by warwickgull on Aug 29, 2010 15:53:34 GMT
Cheers Aussie, I must admit I'm normally an occasional poster on the other forum which is down at the moment. Being midlands based and the first home I thought i would stick a quick report on here for the benefit of those not in attendance. I can take stick but dont expect derision, and it to be implied that I obviously have no understanding of competitive sport from people about my marks who were not even at the game, and whom know nothing about me. Looks like my report was not far off Dave Thomas's, perhaps he knows nothing about competitive sport either. ;D |
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Post by warwickgull on Aug 29, 2010 15:55:24 GMT
Sounds like a whole lot of argueing just for the sake of it! I'm very surprised it took you so long to join in It's not my fault that WarwickGull is stingy on his player ratings is it now? Stingy!!!! me no, lol |
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Post by Rags on Aug 29, 2010 15:57:04 GMT
All these bloomin marks dont mean toffy though bud. But they should do: they're performance indicators. They are meant to differentiate from opinion by being based on tangible elements of play. Most ratings start with a baseline of 7 and go up or down depending on clear differentials during the game. Where do you place your baseline or did you just make them up on the spur of the moment? If yours don't correspond with the standard baseline then let us know or we don't know how to interpret their meaning; and we wonder how on earth you managed to mark seven of yesterday's team as performing at an average standard or less! |
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Post by Enzo on Aug 29, 2010 15:58:40 GMT
Sounds like a whole lot of argueing just for the sake of it! We are top of the league, conceded one goal in months and not lost in ages - some people still need their fix of disagreement! You normal supply it, but as you have not obliged, in my opinion, this side would be a lot better if Buckle had not got rid of Raynor, Woods and Hargreaves with his poor man-management. That side, managed by someone like........Sven would have already clinched promotion by now! Buckle hasn't had a clue since he cocked up that Play Off semi against City! Some geezer comes on and gives his match ratings and the locals are getting chopsy! Lets hurry up and lose then people can have proper arguments. |
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Post by chelstongull on Aug 29, 2010 16:00:15 GMT
TWO QUESTIONS:
Who is top of League 2 with their best start to the season in their history?
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Who I submit my match report for the Accy game in order that it meets with general approval?
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Post by Rags on Aug 29, 2010 16:02:05 GMT
I listened to DT on the wireless and he pretty much came over with very similar opinions as Warwick, I ask myself the question as to why Danny was subbed and it follows suit that he was not at his best compared to his own high standards recently! Dt was also critical of Gritts hospital ball near the end, now surely if everyone respects DT`s views and opinions so much then why all the hassle about Warwicks match report when they (in my opinion) were very very similar? Danny might not have been at his best and was rightly subbed, but in the first half he did more than enough to consider his performance to be above average. If DT was to suggest that The Mighty Gulls were lackadaisical and that Benyon was disinterested then I'd be arguing with him as well! ;D |
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Post by warwickgull on Aug 29, 2010 16:04:23 GMT
All these bloomin marks dont mean toffy though bud. But they should do: they're performance indicators. They are meant to differentiate from opinion by being based on tangible elements of play. Most ratings start with a baseline of 7 and go up or down depending on clear differentials during the game. Where do you place your baseline or did you just make them up on the spur of the moment? If yours don't correspond with the standard baseline then let us know or we don't know how to interpret their meaning; and we wonder how on earth you managed to mark seven of yesterday's team as performing at an average standard or less! Mate you are getting way too deep for me, its a football match not the theory of relativity. However for your own peace of mind I start everyone on a 6 and move them up or down from there. I believed the 3 players I gave 5s to as below there usual level of performance which is why they got 5s. |
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Post by NickGull on Aug 29, 2010 16:06:28 GMT
For what it's worth, I'd say Bevs, Ellis, Branston and Zebs were our standout performers. If I were to rate (I would, but having seen the havoc it's caused, I shan't), they'd be all high ratings. I do agree with Warwickgull though, that Benyon wasn't his usual, terrier-like self. He got caught offside about 3/4 times, which stopped attacks, and didn't chase everything, like usual. Wayno was rarely very effective in the attacking third, but defensively, he helped Robbo all game, to stifle their left side. I wouldn't say it was a poor performance by Wayno, I'd just say that he played a totally different role. |
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Zebs made their league 2 team of the week and Buckle L2 manager of the week for the third time in August. Hopefully we won't have to shell out for another bottle this month! 
