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Post by rjdgull on Aug 16, 2010 22:04:14 GMT
Our first reserve fixture with a senior side to start! If any members are going then please feel free to comment.
Is Gritts fit enough to play a part, will Robertson have to play at right back or maybe Carlisle can get some match fitness here with Macklin and Halpin on the wings.
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Post by dazgull on Aug 17, 2010 7:31:44 GMT
Its great that we have some proper reserve games at last. I reckon a team like this could well start.
potter
rowe-turner
charnock
palmer
mansell
halpin
okane
lathrope
carlisle
kee
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 8:10:51 GMT
Swansea squad at: www.swanseacity.net/page/Latest/0,,10354~2124705,00.html Not surprised by this but, even though it's a youngish Swansea squad (and does include a few youth players), it's still rather older than some of the under 18 XIs they've fielded in this league in the past. No players who started the last league game - but two from the bench - and three who played in the League Cup game against Barnet. Donnelly came from Aldershot, Taylor from Wrexham, MacDonald on loan at Yeovil last season, Jazz Richards fair number of Swansea first team games last year. Shame the league has seen withdrawals since last season and is operating with its smallest number of clubs for a while. But hopefully a worthwhile exercise for us and - no doubt - a chance to scout possible signings and strengthen contacts with other clubs. |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Aug 17, 2010 9:01:00 GMT
Its great that we have some proper reserve games at last. I reckon a team like this could well start. potter rowe-turner charnock palmer mansell halpin okane lathrope carlisle kee yeoman Risk Manse at RB in a reserve game? Barking if that happens. NONE of the 1st 11 should be risked, considering the depth of our squad. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 17, 2010 19:39:09 GMT
There’s a good report on .com of the game. www.torquayunited.com/page/Reserves/0,,10445~2125410,00.html Does anyone have any idea how many turned up to watch the match? The one thing I think is a shame is these games are played on Tuesday afternoons with a 2pm kick-off time and many of us will be at work and are never going to bet the chance to get up and support our reserve team. In the old days such games were held on a Saturday afternoon and I’m sure Barton has put up somewhere on here information about the sorts of numbers who turned up to watch the reserve team back then. I know having a reserve team is more about being able to give fringe players and the best of the youth players regular matches to help keep them match fit etc, but it would be good if more fans could get to watch them and while I don’t know the reason why these games are played on a Tuesday, I am a bit frustrated I can’t watch any. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 20:49:10 GMT
The report in the link mentions a crowd of around 150. I was at the game and, without that reference, would have guessed at around 200 (all in the main stand as opposed to the Ellacombe End as per recent midweek friendly and Bowl games). By means of comparison I would say that Exeter City normally attract crowds of 150 for midweek reserve games with a 7pm kick-off. This is specifically a midweek league and has been for many years. There isn't much of a case for Saturday reserve football in these days of seven substitutes. Nor, for that matter, at times when the first-team management and coaching staff can't make the matches. The issue is the choice between evening or afternoon kick offs. I believe there is a slight majority of clubs in favour of afternoons but I might be wrong about that. No idea about reserve attendances over the years but I would have thought these would have peaked sometime after the war when we were still playing in the Southern League. Still pretty healthy in the late 1960s when the first team was doing well but, if the truth be told, reserve team football probably hasn't been much of an attraction - anywhere really - for many years. However, if you can make it along, you're likely to find something that is a slightly souped-up version of a friendly. Easy on the eye but not as much "bite" as you may desire - the sort of football that's fine for 35-40 minutes before you want a bit more. That's understandable and, having said that, I enjoyed this afternoon's game especially as the goals came at the right time and from encouraging sources. Today's team sheet:  |
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Post by merse on Aug 17, 2010 21:05:01 GMT
Does anyone have any idea how many turned up to watch the match? The one thing I think is a shame is these games are played on Tuesday afternoons with a 2pm kick-off time and many of us will be at work and are never going to bet the chance to get up and support our reserve team.
In the old days such games were held on a Saturday afternoon and I’m sure Barton has put up somewhere on here information about the sorts of numbers who turned up to watch the reserve team back then.
...............it would be good if more fans could get to watch them and while I don’t know the reason why these games are played on a Tuesday, I am a bit frustrated I can’t watch any.  In those days Dave, teams only travelled with 12 or 13 players, whilst nowadays at least 18 have to be carted around the country to fulfull an away game. By playing in midweek, the need to employ pro's just to fulfill two games on a Saturday can be avoided. What with U18 and other "age restricted" games taking place on Saturday mornings too, the club would be looking at having to field over fifty players on a Saturday if that were the case. There are absolutlely NO reserve games played by Premiership or Football League clubs on Saturdays nowadays for that very reason, and indeed there is many a Championship club that no longer play in any formal reserve league at all, preferring to field sides in various youth leagues and arrange friendlies for their under exposed players as and when when it suits. I know QPR played a "reserve team" friendly with Millwall behind closed doors on their training ground this afternoon, and have two more lined up in the next two weeks against West Ham and Ipswich. Like ourselves they have been able to accomodate trialists in these games, but unlike ourselves; once those games are played they have yet to arrange any more but no doubt Neil Warnock will insist that they do as one of the things he has established since he moved into Loftus Road with Mick Jones and Keith Curle is the setting up of a "Development Squad" in which newly contracted young professionals can learn their trade without being too easily cast aside due to the fact that it has been "First Team standard or out" in several past seasons there. .............and finally, the games are played in the afternoons, because that is considered part of the working day in the life of a professional player training or developing and the other very obvious savings on floodlighting costs. The gate at Plainmoor today was around 150, but that is irrelevant ~ the days of taking gate money for reserve games seriously is long gone. |
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Post by Jon on Aug 17, 2010 21:36:55 GMT
In the old days such games were held on a Saturday afternoon and I’m sure Barton has put up somewhere on here information about the sorts of numbers who turned up to watch the reserve team back then. 1,700 in 1956. www.torquayfansforum.com/index.cgi?board=programmes&action=display&thread=6026I understand the praticalities of playing these games in the afternoon, but it s a terrible shame for the supporters. I was looking forward to seeing a few games - I doubt if I will see any now.  |
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Post by stuartB on Aug 17, 2010 21:39:46 GMT
In the old days such games were held on a Saturday afternoon and I’m sure Barton has put up somewhere on here information about the sorts of numbers who turned up to watch the reserve team back then. 1,700 in 1956. www.torquayfansforum.com/index.cgi?board=programmes&action=display&thread=6026I understand the praticalities of playing these games in the afternoon, but it s a terrible shame for the supporters. I was looking forward to seeing a few games - I doubt if I will see any now. why? too busy on the golf course  |
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Post by merse on Aug 17, 2010 22:02:12 GMT
I can recall the day tickets for the great Spurs cup tie in 1965 were put on sale at Plainmoor during a reserve game with Bideford and to maximise the occasion the only point of sale was the Popside canteen, and thus the game was played out before a huge snaking queue of some 8,000 people who had little interest in the goings on out there on the pitch and everything about what was going on in front of them in that queue. I can also remember Argyle getting a crowd of 11,000 for a game against Tottenham in the Football Combination because the great Jimmy Greaves was making his return to English football in the reserves at Gnome Park on his signing from AC Milan..................oh the attractions of REAL football in the days before TV saturation!
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Post by stefano on Aug 17, 2010 23:47:24 GMT
I can recall the day tickets for the great Spurs cup tie in 1965 were put on sale at Plainmoor during a reserve game with Bideford and to maximise the occasion the only point of sale was the Popside canteen, and thus the game was played out before a huge snaking queue of some 8,000 people who had little interest in the goings on out there on the pitch and everything about what was going on in front of them in that queue. Lost 3-1 with John Smith scoring our goal from the penalty spot. He was the one who was normally shown in the programme as J.Smith (amateur) as we had other Smith's on the professional staff at that time. He was never offered a professional contract (he retired from the police as a detective superintendent) but he was captain of the reserve side and also played in the Western Counties Floodlit League which was officially a first team competition. I can remember him putting Robin Stubbs into the back of the net during one of those games probably due to his short sightedness, which was also probably a reason he didn't progress beyond the 'amateur' status. Western League home crowds averaged over 1000 throughout the sixties. |
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