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Post by Budleigh on May 18, 2011 19:33:36 GMT
Devon County Football Association Handbook for the season 1909/10. The main interest for Torquay United is under the ‘Clubs Affiliated to the Association’, on page 30, the Plainmoor-based Ellacombe. This being their last season before joining Torquay United and forming the new Torquay Town. The secretary was W.J. Thomas of 23, Windsor Road, a goal-kick away from Plainmoor. Also, note that Exeter City, below them in the list, also had a secretary named Thomas, being Sid Thomas, one of the South-west’s most well-known football names having started as a centre-forward for St. Sidwell’s United (the fore-runner of Exeter City) before taking on the role of their club secretary and then Exeter City’s first secretary whilst still a player; he actually scored the newly-formed City’s first goal. From then on he became a director, Chairman, club President and finally Life President. He first became involved on the administrative side of the game as he was the young Managing Clerk to Michael McGahey, of Dunn & Baker solicitors in Exeter, with whom he assisted in the formation of the club. |
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2011 20:14:51 GMT
Fascinating! Rule 7 of the cup competitions is the one that would be twisted by those bounders from the dark side of Plainmoor a few years later to see OUR boys thrown out of the Devon Senior Cup. I'm guessing that teams could choose whether to affiliate direct to the Devon FA or indirectly by affiliating to the East Devon FA - there are not many Eastern area teams listed at all. The vice-chairman and referee J.H. Wiltshire would almost certainly be the father of Jimmy Wiltshire who went on to referee the 1947 FA Cup final and to write up his memoirs in TUFC programmes of the early 70s. Our Sam can tell us a heartbreaking story of contacting Jimmy's widow just after she had thrown out his collection of programmes - including many TUFC programmes, some from our pre-league days.  |
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Post by Budleigh on May 18, 2011 20:49:59 GMT
According to the 1903 handbook, which I may try and put on here complete despite it being so fragile, those clubs connected to the East Devon League are, as Jon suggests, indirectly affiliated, although they are all actually listed in that handbook, including Cockington whose secretary is listed as A. Roach of 13, Victoria Terrace, Chelston. Surely Ant isn't that old!?
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Post by rjdgull on May 18, 2011 21:38:59 GMT
According to the 1903 handbook, which I may try and put on here complete despite it being so fragile, those clubs connected to the East Devon League are, as Jon suggests, indirectly affiliated, although they are all actually listed in that handbook, including Cockington whose secretary is listed as A. Roach of 13, Victoria Terrace, Chelston. Surely Ant isn't that old!? I can't think of a Victoria Terrace in Chelston? Was it renamed or redeveloped. Not that much of Chelston was built during her reign with a lot of it being agricultural land for the Cockington estate and only started being released at the end of the nineteenth century. |
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2011 22:08:23 GMT
The vice-chairman and referee J.H. Wiltshire would almost certainly be the father of Jimmy Wiltshire who went on to referee the 1947 FA Cup final and to write up his memoirs in TUFC programmes of the early 70s.   |
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Post by Budleigh on May 18, 2011 22:18:46 GMT
In 1880 there was a Victoria Terrace in Ellacombe, off Princess Road, presumably near where Victoria Road is now. But that doesn't really help with being in Chelston....
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2011 22:29:17 GMT
including Cockington whose secretary is listed as A. Roach of 13, Victoria Terrace, Chelston. Surely Ant isn't that old!? Well if it is Ant, he was at the meeting in 1903 when it was decided to ask permission to form the South Devon League - but he STILL can't get the bugg*rs to correct their formation date! torquayfansforum.com/index.cgi?board=tufchistory&action=display&thread=5452 |
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2011 22:55:31 GMT
In 1880 there was a Victoria Terrace in Ellacombe, off Princess Road, presumably near where Victoria Road is now. But that doesn't really help with being in Chelston.... Kelly's Devon 1902 is full of Victoria terraces - most seeming to be within a road if that makes sense. South Devon ones within roads are at: Babbacombe road, Babbacombe Fore street, Babbacombe, Victoria road, Dartmouth Terra Nova road, Paignton Not within other roads are at Brixham and at Ipplepen. The one in Brixham was full of smack owners! N.B. Note the word road within an address was not capitalised until relatively recently. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 20:14:16 GMT
Plenty of fascinating stuff in both of these ancient Devon FA handbooks. Note the county colours of "green and white" – another indication that this new-fangled Devon flag might have some historical basis rather than just being an Argyle banner? Mind you, I noticed recently that Exeter City prefer to display the more traditional version at their ground:  Plenty of Wesleyan teams in the Plymouth area in those days (and we're not talking Saunders). And what’s this? The Western Independent – forerunner of the Sunday Independent – promoting itself as a “progressive paper”. Then, as now, it appears to have prided itself on its football coverage. Perhaps Harley Lawer had started reporting on Argyle in those days? Interesting to see a reference again to the “Three Towns” of Devonport, Stonehouse and Plymouth. You wonder too how many groups of footballers found themselves at the Metropole in Devonport enjoying “The Girl Who Took The Wrong Turning” or “The Girl Who Lost Her Character”. I dare say this was a far more innocent performance inside the theatre than in the surrounding streets. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 20:28:51 GMT
According to the 1903 handbook, which I may try and put on here complete despite it being so fragile, those clubs connected to the East Devon League are, as Jon suggests, indirectly affiliated, although they are all actually listed in that handbook, including Cockington whose secretary is listed as A. Roach of 13, Victoria Terrace, Chelston. Surely Ant isn't that old!? Terry Leaman's excellent research at myweb.tiscali.co.uk/terryleaman/Tiscali/1911_directory_%20A-Z.htm#R contains information from the Torbay Household & Business Directory 1911-12 - published by Wm . J. McKenzie at the Torquay Times Office, 64 Fleet Street, Torquay. It includes this entry which suggests that 13 Victoria Terrace may have become 13 Sherwell Hill: ROACH Albert Edward, 13 Sherwell Hill, CLooking at Street View the current number 13 is part of a short terrace of houses. |
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