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May 7, 2011 11:03:30 GMT
Post by aussie on May 7, 2011 11:03:30 GMT
No law can be passed by government without the approval of the Lords, AV would ultimately lead to the House Of Lords being got rid of and the country actually being run by the elected power, like Australia, a government run by government not by Law Lords. This is how class is structured in this country and why there is no class divides in Australia, well at least not like here. An AV structure can`t work properly with the powers to be split umoungst polititians and Lords, AV system works perfectly within a correct structure of governing which eliminates any need for Lords and makes polititians more answerable to there actions! I am being serious, couldn`t be more serious if I tried!
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May 7, 2011 12:34:10 GMT
Post by the92ndfish on May 7, 2011 12:34:10 GMT
No law can be passed by government without the approval of the Lords, AV would ultimately lead to the House Of Lords being got rid of and the country actually being run by the elected power, like Australia, a government run by government not by Law Lords. This is how class is structured in this country and why there is no class divides in Australia, well at least not like here. An AV structure can`t work properly with the powers to be split umoungst polititians and Lords, AV system works perfectly within a correct structure of governing which eliminates any need for Lords and makes polititians more answerable to there actions! I am being serious, couldn`t be more serious if I tried! Actually they can and have been on many occasions, there was a big old hoohah about it in 1911 and the Lords lost their power to reject or amend legislation. How it works now is that most bills are sent to the Lords usually once or twice and the Lords review the bill and make suggestions as to how to improve it, it's then sent back to parliament. However parliament doesn't have to make any changes if it doesn't want to and once the bill has been back to the Lords three times, it can go no further and parliament can just pass it over the heads of the Lords. So the Lords are essentially consultants and restrainers nothing more. They do that job rather well, they were one of the leading opponents against Labour increasing the time the police could arrest people and hold them without charge, the Lords actions amongst others helped derail that bill. AV wouldn't lead to getting rid of the Lords as most countries in the world are bicameral (that is having two houses of parliament, be they Commons/Lords or Congress/Senate like in America) because of the benefits of having a senior more experienced house. Both Labour and the Lib Dems don't stand for getting rid of the Lords but merely reforming it along more democratic lines. Also Australia isn't classless because it has no lords. It's classless because it's a fairly new country that was settled by convicts and free emmigrants, most of which stated off with very little. It has an entirely different history to the UK. Which incidentially is why it never had a House of Lords, not because the lack of a Lords made Australia classless. You keep saying that AV would work perfectly without power being split between parliament and the Lords but you're missing the point. The Lords have very little power, they can't make or amend legislation, merely advise. Even the Senate in America has more power.
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May 7, 2011 12:36:01 GMT
Post by rjdgull on May 7, 2011 12:36:01 GMT
It's not as bad as that Aussie! The law lords that sat in the House of Lords now sit in the renamed supreme court. The House of Lords mainly comprise of Life Peers i.e ex politicians such as Baroness Thatcher, Lord Mandelson etc but with other renown figures such as Lord Sugar and Lord Winston. There is a small rump of hereditary peers and spiritual peers (CoE). The Lords is only a revising chamber, it can't propose legislation and can only ask the commons to look at any given Bill again and after three times the commons can use the Parliament Act to force it through, subject to Royal Assent of course. (last exercised by Queen Anne when she withheld Royal Assent from the Scottish Militia Bill 1708.) The Lords is actually a very weak upper house and its job is to check for bad legislation that has been poorly drafted and we know what happens when the courts get to interpret the various clauses etc.
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May 8, 2011 8:29:47 GMT
Post by aussie on May 8, 2011 8:29:47 GMT
The House of Lords mainly comprise of Life Peers i.e ex politicians such as Baroness Thatcher, Lord Mandelson etc but with other renown figures such as Lord Sugar and Lord Winston. There all tyrants and oppressors of the poor, especially Thatcher with her career criminal son. These people are evil!
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May 8, 2011 8:36:59 GMT
Post by stuartB on May 8, 2011 8:36:59 GMT
The House of Lords mainly comprise of Life Peers i.e ex politicians such as Baroness Thatcher, Lord Mandelson etc but with other renown figures such as Lord Sugar and Lord Winston. There all tyrants and oppressors of the poor, especially Thatcher with her career criminal son. These people are evil! Are you a touch bitter Aussie because they sent your forefathers in ball and chain off to the colonies?
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May 8, 2011 9:13:29 GMT
Post by aussie on May 8, 2011 9:13:29 GMT
There all tyrants and oppressors of the poor, especially Thatcher with her career criminal son. These people are evil! Are you a touch bitter Aussie because they sent your forefathers in ball and chain off to the colonies? Not at all mate, that was their biggest mistake, they should have left them here and gone over themselves, that I laugh at them for! I just detest the class system that is forced upon people by the likes of those upperclass scum in order to keep themselves rich and crush those under them! I could go on about how the council stole my inheritance via compulsory purchase and various other personal issues but I`d only bore the pants out of every one!
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