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Post by bbcgull on Oct 23, 2008 14:48:29 GMT
am i behind the times or is this just to stop the neutral fan from going.
I just enquired about a ticket for Portsmouth v AC Milan in November. To be told i had to buy a ticket for the other UEFA game they are playing (is it now three home games in this stage can anyone confirm) So i have to pay for two tickets even though i only want one.
I need Fratton and yes i agree it is a glory game not sure the other one is though. She said a lot of big clubs do this now. So i wont be bothering as i do not wanna pay for both! No student discount either. So they wont be getting my money.
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Post by David Graham's Eighth Pint on Oct 23, 2008 15:50:14 GMT
I looked into doing this too; more so to see Milan over adding FP to my stadia list. They are playing Milan and Heerenveen at home and traveling to Wolfsburg and SC Braga.
I can only imagine that they're doing this to "keep the neutrals" out as such, but doesn't really make sense to me either mate.
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 23, 2008 16:11:52 GMT
I looked into doing this too; more so to see Milan over adding FP to my stadia list. They are playing Milan and Heerenveen at home and traveling to Wolfsburg and SC Braga. I can only imagine that they're doing this to "keep the neutrals" out as such, but doesn't really make sense to me either mate. ...Indeed i can get FP anytime especially as i live 5 mins from the stadium but i, like you, really fancied seeing AC Milan. And you can only get in the away end via AC of course. Shame really. Thanks for the info on the games. What happened to the good old fashioned Home And Away? Surely that swings towards the home team if they are worlds apart, ie Liverpool at home to Buckalnd lol... If this is the way that some football games are going it is even more pushing the neutral or real footie fan away. edit; i see you are Horsham..i was at the last ever game at the Atspeed last season, and paln to see them while they reside at Worthing. Will also get the new ground when its built
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Post by jerry on Oct 23, 2008 19:09:48 GMT
I think you will find it is because they aren't expecting a full house against Heerenveen so they are trying to cash in on those desperate to see Milan.
Fair enough if you ask me, milk the gloryhunters for all their worth! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2008 19:33:12 GMT
I have to agree with Jerry on this one & back Portsmouths policy bbcgull Fratton Park as we know has a small capacity by Premier League standards & they seem to be ensuring that real Portsmouth fans get to see one of their clubs biggest matches rather than those genuine Pompey fans having to miss out so that neutrals who quite fancy seeing AC Milan can have the seats instead. It surely makes sense to look after your regular customers first rather than look after those who wont be putting another penny Portsmouths way unless there is the lure of an equally glamorous opponent at Fratton in the future. During the last petrol shortage my local garage proprietor made certain that his regular customers were looked after first ...any surplus can be made available to passing trade a little later. If we need to apportion blame look no further than the politicians who forced Clubs to turn their old grounds into all seaters & thereby dramatically reduce the number of football fans who can get in to see big games like the Pompey v AC Milan clash. So it looks like a ticketing policy which will appeal to real Portsmouth fans & force the glory hunters to watch the game on their TV sets is the only sensible option ;D
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 23, 2008 20:39:39 GMT
I think you will find it is because they aren't expecting a full house against Heerenveen so they are trying to cash in on those desperate to see Milan. Fair enough if you ask me, milk the gloryhunters for all their worth! ;D That's where they are kicking themselves in the foot then. If they arent gonna get a full house for and AND YOu can only see it if you buy BOTH... surely they will lose money AFTER the AC game if you can't get a ticket for the other game. Surely they will open up the tickets that are left or it is stupid.
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Post by jerry on Oct 23, 2008 21:33:15 GMT
I think you will find it is because they aren't expecting a full house against Heerenveen so they are trying to cash in on those desperate to see Milan. Fair enough if you ask me, milk the gloryhunters for all their worth! ;D That's where they are kicking themselves in the foot then. If they arent gonna get a full house for and AND YOu can only see it if you buy BOTH... surely they will lose money AFTER the AC game if you can't get a ticket for the other game. Surely they will open up the tickets that are left or it is stupid.There won't be any tickets left Brett! I can't see them failing to sell 20,000 tickets for a game against Milan even if it means buying a ticket for the Heerenveen game as well! (The majority of Pompey fans would be going to both anyway!). Therefore, both games will be sold out!
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 23, 2008 21:38:53 GMT
Yeah i see now. Shame really. I bet they wont get 20000 at the H game even if they have all been sold.
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Post by merse on Oct 24, 2008 2:51:16 GMT
You really are a strange one Brett, more of a "trainspotter" than a football fan the way you come over in my opinion. Your priority in seeking out a game to watch is to "do" the ground - to "cross it off your list", rather than the actual prospect of the football to be played. Like the majority of "hoppers" you get as excited by a rope round a pitch and two dugouts as you would sitting in the San Siro. A bit like those sad characters one sees in their Kagools on station platforms all over the country seeking out nothing more than I.D. numbers on the sides of a piece of machinery. There must be a term for this form of obsessive mental illness. Mind you, anyone who has lived in cities like Plymouth and Portsmouth and NEVER get along to their football grounds whilst happily seeking out two sheep and a bike rack on some windy hill top in Cornwall in favour of sitting in front of that bell ringing loony at Fratton Park might have a point. The prospect of a couple of your ilk standing or sitting behind me, chattering away about all the minutiae under the sun, anything and everything except the very thing everyone else is there to watch (the bloody football match) sends shivers down my spine. It all reminds me of when I was a bus driver and these ruddy "bus spotters" used to come up at termini and ask you to put up some obsolete and irrelevant destination on the blind, long consigned to history; so they can picture it on their Box Brownie...................they usually got a cheery "feck off, go and get yourself a job" type of response unless they were female,well fit and gagging for it So if Pompey's policy keeps Fratton Park a "Nerd Free Zone" and spares the thousand's of proper football fans the excruciating experience of the company of "trainspotters" getting all erectional over the fact that the player's tunnel is "slightly off centre" then all power to their elbow. * Another "Merse Hand Grenade", lobbed in to bring a tedious thread to life!*
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Post by jerry on Oct 24, 2008 6:52:52 GMT
It all reminds me of when I was a bus driver and these ruddy "bus spotters" used to come up at termini and ask you to put up some obsolete and irrelevant destination on the blind, long consigned to history; so they can picture it on their Box Brownie...................they usually got a cheery "feck off, go and get yourself a job" type of response unless they were female,well fit and gagging for it Fit, female bus spotter? Sounds a pretty unlikely combination to me! Just supposing there was such a thing... do they give themselves a gold star in their little book if they "get" the driver as well as the bus?
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 24, 2008 10:26:59 GMT
You really are a strange one Brett, more of a "trainspotter" than a football fan the way you come over in my opinion. Your priority in seeking out a game to watch is to "do" the ground - to "cross it off your list", rather than the actual prospect of the football to be played. Like the majority of "hoppers" you get as excited by a rope round a pitch and two dugouts as you would sitting in the San Siro. A bit like those sad characters one sees in their Kagools on station platforms all over the country seeking out nothing more than I.D. numbers on the sides of a piece of machinery. There must be a term for this form of obsessive mental illness. Mind you, anyone who has lived in cities like Plymouth and Portsmouth and NEVER get along to their football grounds whilst happily seeking out two sheep and a bike rack on some windy hill top in Cornwall in favour of sitting in front of that bell ringing loony at Fratton Park might have a point. The prospect of a couple of your ilk standing or sitting behind me, chattering away about all the minutiae under the sun, anything and everything except the very thing everyone else is there to watch (the bloody football match) sends shivers down my spine Don't worry Merse, i get your tongue in cheekness. Believe me i am in no way a Groundhopper of the description you made. Take a look at my grounds list on here. Yeah only 43 different grounds but i have been to over 1000 games i would guess and believe me all of those have been Torquay Games apart from SEVEN I havent even begun Hopping yet. I set up the TU92 site with Mark Lovis back around 2002 for all TU fans to keep track of their grounds. I only took and interest in getting to Torquays away games properly last year when i took in 11. Yes i did do two other games too, this was because i was now living in a more central part of the country. Well more than Devon any way. I discovered the Tony Kempster site and message board and got an interest in all things non league this summer, due to other commitments i have not been to any games this season yet but that hopefully changes from this saturday when i hope to do a village Rec (see below) By not going to Plymouth and Pompey so far when i live(d) there actually means im not bothered in grounds. I know you are talking about groundhoppers in general but i dont feel im in that league yet. Yes i am doing the CSWPL hop next easter and that is more so to meet new poeple in this and see some footie. If i was more interested in the ground than football surely i would have been to ground losses this season...Wisbech, Leigh Phil Collins etc. However yes Ninian Park is on my list this year i will give you that. You know, as you stated, that hoppers will get excited if they find a roped or barriered pitch as most will not count a village rec in an open field. I had no interested in anything below the Conference up until now but now i have found the Portsmouth Saturday League - 3 Divisions (Step 9,10 and 11 i think) 36 TEAMS all in Pompey and i am gonna start going to a game when im not with Torquay every Saturday. No ropes, no programmes, barriers, floodlights, terrace or canteen...just a Saturday footie match. Won't go anywhere on the list its not a ground, Im going cos i love football and i wanna see some!!! That, my dear Merse, Makes me a FOOTBALL fan NOT a groundhopper. And remember in my previous posts i stated i fancied seeing a UEFA game, that suggest a footie fan. Yeah ok Ac would have been nice but i would have taken the other team. But im not bothered. Surely if i was that much of a ground hopper i would have been to Fratton when i arrived here 18 months ago. To conclude, im proud of seeing over 1000 games in my lifetime. Dont ask me what they are i dont keep records like that. I am a Torquay United fan, a football fan. I am a groundhopping fan.. i look in from the outside so far as you can see from my grounds, list. im most certainly not a groundhopper (yet) I come over in the way i do cos i keep the old fans of the TU92 site updated on here about footie news and keeping grounds list, is that so bad hehe!!!
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 24, 2008 12:01:02 GMT
As an ex-trainspotter in my youth (no funny coats worn), it was a good day out and kept me and my chums out of trouble until we discovered girls and drink (or was it drink and girls?).
There were a few people who would either be filming the train arriving at the station or telling you where that particular train was the day before or rattling off every stop it had made from Liverpool Lime Street on its way to Newton. I think these types gave the trainspotting hobby a bad name.
Many a happy hour was spent at Newton Abbot (better than Torquay) as you had the Plymouth line and the sheds. I can still remember 1972 whilst listening to Hawkwind and Silvermachine experiening the joys of Crewe station. ( I must have been about 9/10 at the time).
Perhaps the courts should make the guilty offenders spend 4 hours at Exeter St. Davids as part of their punishment. I'm sure this act would help reduce crime
They had 1026 Western Centurion down in Paignton the other week. Gutted I missed it as I only needed that one, and one other for the set.
Ah happy days indeed.
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Post by Jon on Oct 24, 2008 12:31:47 GMT
As an ex-trainspotter in my youth (no funny coats worn), it was a good day out .... until we discovered girls and drink I can still remember 1972 whilst listening to Hawkwind and Silvermachine experiening the joys of Crewe station. So you didn't discover girls until well into your thirties then?
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 24, 2008 12:45:10 GMT
Ave atque vale
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Post by Dave on Oct 24, 2008 15:53:23 GMT
What am I to do with you Merse I mean you upset a fellow Devonian yesterday and now start On our very own bbcgull.Well one thing I will say, you got the very best post out Of bbcgull, I have even seen him write, so I'm going to have to just say thanks. This all came about because Brett wanted to buy a ticket for the Portsmouth v AC Milan match, but was told he also had to buy a second ticket for the game against Heerenveen. Well sorry but that Is completely wrong and Its no good people saying the Heerenveen won't be a sellout, maybe that Is true, but It Is not the fault Of anyone who just wants to watch the AC Milan game. Home fans should be looked after first and foremost, just like It Is meant to happen when our team, draws a big club In a cup competition. Once all home fans have their tickets, then they should be sold to the rest Of the public. We know our club as had games where you got vouchers that made sure you would get a ticket, to a big game. There has been times when you had to attend two games to make sure you would get the ticket. It Is one way Of trying to get the regular fans the chance to be at any big game, but It Is flawed In so many ways.You may be away that the week you needed to get your voucher, Or you will find people who never go to a game ever, went so as to make sure they could get a ticket, I know plenty Of people living here from Birmingham, who did just that. That game there were plenty Of fans, some who may be able to only get to away games, who were unable to get a ticket, but I'm not sure how you can do it any better. This idea that to buy a ticket for one game, you have to buy a ticket for a second game, needs stopping and fast, why should football clubs feel that they have a right to force you into buying something you don't want, just to get something you do. What will be next? so you want to go and watch the film Mamma Mia, then get told that next week Its rerun Of the Dam Busters and to see Mamma Mia you will need to buy a ticket for the other film, because they don't expect to fill the cinema. I'm all for buy two and get one free, but I think Its very poor to be forced to buy something I don't even want, Brett wanted to buy a ticket to see one game, that Is what should be for sale, one ticket for one game. It Is my view that when football clubs, businesses etc, pull stunts like these, they deserve to sell only half the tickets. Fans and anyone else who wanted to go to just one game only, should not buy one single ticket, these clubs would soon get the message and have to find a better way to fill the stadium, for the second match. Maybe reducing the price to half, Or making It a kid for a quid, which would not only fill the ground, but introduce football to some new fans Of the future.
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