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Post by bbcgull on Oct 18, 2008 20:37:45 GMT
What are the chances of getting Zebroski back on loan. I would think the chances have increased MASSIVELY today. He was sent off for punching his own TEAM MATE. Not the first time that has happened to him!! The thing is, would we want him back??? To be fair, his team mate was trying to seperate him from an opposing player. The opposing player DID get sent off too.
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Post by David Graham's Eighth Pint on Oct 18, 2008 20:46:56 GMT
I'm looking forward to The Championship in the morning!
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Post by Dave on Oct 19, 2008 9:00:17 GMT
Let me get this right tufc01, Zebroski lays into a team mate again and that then means he needs to come back to TUFC, for further rehabilitation?
Brett then tries to justify his actions yesterday, stating we need to be fair, stating "his team mate was trying to separate him from an opposing player. The opposing player DID get sent off too."
We were told the last time he assaulted his Plymouth team mate, smashing a a glass object over his head and nearly pealing half his team mates face Off, was that he had been having the Micky taken out Of him by the team mate, he assaulted.
Maybe he was but that did not justify His actions, nor do any excuses about his behavior again yesterday. What a world we would live In If every time someone you work with Is rude Or upsets you, then It will be OK to cause that person harm, then just turn around and state, be fair here he was rude to me.
We all get upset at times, all get hurt by others actions, Is that a good enough reason to go and then assault the person responsible? What about Our own self control, sorting the Issue out In a proper adult fashion, Is simply resorting to violence the only way we can sort Out differences?
What does It make the person, who has no self control, Or the ones who go around thinking Its good to hit other people, with no regard Or even remorse for the damage and injuries that they inflict On a fellow human being. Well It sure does not make them decent fellow human beings In my book.
There are the odd times when a person simply will cause trouble every where he goes and sometimes It may be the case that he needs to learn a lesson the hard way as nothing else works. I'm not saying that giving the guy a good beating,Is the correct thing to do,only that there are times when maybe Its the only way he Is going to learn.
I make no secret that I hate violence, I see no reason for It, you are not clever because you may be strong and can lay someone out with a punch, what happened to trying to talk and sort problems out in a decent way, are those who can only lash out, really unable to talk? Or do they just love being a thug and watching and enjoying the pain they can cause to others.
It could even be down to making them feel powerful, Or In some way thinking they are In control, because they are good with their fists. No, they simply lack self control and self discipline and If you can't even control your own actions, then you really can't control anything else.
Zebroski Is not needed In the squad,I do not think after the way he played after Xmas last season, that he would add anything better than what we have already got here. He needs to have the book thrown at him, no lame excuses, ask himself If he should be playing In team sports, go and get the help he needs, to learn how to control himself.
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 19, 2008 14:12:49 GMT
Brett then tries to justify his actions yesterday, stating we need to be fair, stating "his team mate was trying to separate him from an opposing player. The opposing player DID get sent off too."I need to make something clear I AM NOT JUSTIFYING Zebroski's action. But tghe original post did not make it clear that the opther team was involved. I hate violence and DO NOT JUSTIFY his action, i was merely stating the facts.
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Post by Dave on Oct 19, 2008 14:52:13 GMT
Who do we need to be fair too Brett? If his team mate came to try and stop him doing something he would regret, then hitting the peacemaker, must surly be even worse.
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 19, 2008 14:57:28 GMT
i meant 'to be fair' in the context of these are the facts thats all....
The post claimed Zebs had just gone up and hit him, i was just stating what happened, NOT justifying it.
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Post by Dave on Oct 19, 2008 15:05:19 GMT
OK fair enough Brett, but the facts do no change and that Is he hit a fellow player and as I pointed out, Its my view even worse when his team mate was only trying to help him, by stopping him getting In to more trouble.
Sadly his team mates efforts were wasted, do you know the end result Of the game? who won and If the sending Off played any part In the result?
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 19, 2008 15:07:45 GMT
No clue Dave.... but i know he would not be welcome back here.
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Post by pikeygull on Oct 19, 2008 15:53:41 GMT
Have you actually seen the incident???
In my opinion zebroski was push to the ground from a long ball in a "six of one and half a dozen of the other" incident. The Darlo players got around Zebs and words exchanged and wind ups going on. Zebs tried to shove the Darlo players hands from of his shoulders you know the type of thing. Possibly the same as Green last week all though I haven't seen it.
Zebs team mates try to get him away from the incident and in NO way did he Hit or even attempt to hit a team mate.
I think this is very unfair trying to drag up past incidents when he show no signs of trouble last season.
As for getting him back on loan GET REAL Why would Peter Taylor decide to dump him for one harsh red card when he has been a starter for the team top of League 2
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Post by merse on Oct 19, 2008 16:10:55 GMT
No clue Dave.... but i know he would not be welcome back here. You "know" what Brett, he would not be welcomed back by who? Do you seriously think a player with his talent would not be welcomed back with open arms by a manager who got the best out of him for once in his career? If you think that Paul Buckle would be swayed by some sanctimonious humbug because the lad got into a bit of a scrap with a team mate, you're as loopy as that Idiot Janner Numpty who tried to tell us all that he shouldn't be "allowed" here in the first place and that we would be seen as good neighbours by Plymouth Argyle. Did Zebs ever once stray from being the model professional with us when he was here? No he didn't, so he clumped a team mate in the heat of the moment; so what? He'll pay the price and get on with his career, as with the other guy - that's life it's no big deal. So you think Peter Taylor would farm him out on loan because of that? Well if he's silly enough to do that, I'd welcome him back with open arms!
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 19, 2008 16:39:10 GMT
Did he choose to sign for us? Would he fit in now? Was he on top form in the 2nd half of the season.... if you answer yes to any of these then i stand corrected... wish id never bloody commented now ;D
Maybe i should have worded it better. I feel he would not fit in as well now and may not be as welcome to come back.
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Post by Dave on Oct 19, 2008 16:47:28 GMT
For reasons unknown, tufc01 has deleted his post that started this thread, as Brett quoted the post It can still be seen In Brett's post.
pikeygull, your post shows that It Is best to know the facts before one makes a view Or judgment On any person or event.To be fair the opening post, made a clear statement that Zebroski had hit a fellow team mate.
Based on that I simply brought up his past history and while I do not really want to get into a debate about that, It Is my view he was very lucky not to face an assault charge.
You are correct that he was a model professional, while playing for us last season and therefore as it seems things were not so clear cut yesterday, I admit I was wrong to link the two incidents.
The rest Of my post was more general about people who use violence as a way to settle problems, Or those those who just like to inflict pain and injury on to others. I still stand by those views and thoughts, but feel the need to cut Zebroski some slack.
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Post by tommyg on Oct 19, 2008 17:20:08 GMT
If anybody has had time to read the report on the Wycombe official site then at the bottom in bold, it states that contrary to reports, Zebs was not sent off for punching his team-mate Matt Harrold.
As for some suggesting that Zebs is not needed in the squad, what a load of rubbish! If Bucks was ever offered Zebs (not that for one minute I think this will happen), he would be a fool not to bite Peter Taylor's arm off. Zebs is a class act at this level and never caused us any problems. Just short of 20 goals from the left wing is something that no player will repeat for us this season, especially when that current position is being traded between an out-of-sorts Danny Stevens and a transfer-listed Roscoe Dsane.
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Post by Dave on Oct 19, 2008 17:26:01 GMT
tommyg, since my post I have done what I should have done In the first instance and read the report. tufc01 has always in the past been fairly accurate with his posts and as he has deleted his opening post, he must have felt he got the information wrong.
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Post by pikeygull on Oct 19, 2008 17:32:59 GMT
Thats OK DaveR. I was not having a pop at you, it just got my goat that he was accused of lamping his team mate when that was not the case. And the Wottongate happened a good few years ago. I don't dissagree with your veiws on violence but I still like to see a bit blood and thunder on the field
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