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Post by Jon on Feb 28, 2011 23:18:26 GMT
Intrigued by the story of losing a wheel on the iron bridge. It's just a ten minute walk from where I am now. According to Luscombe, it was in the 1904/05 season. That would point the finger of suspicion at sabotage from a Babbacombe supporter living in the vicinity. I may have mentioned before though that Luscome wasn't too hot on his dates. The incident took place on 13 April 1901, long before Babbacombe was formed, and was fully reported in the Torquay Times: He got the score wrong too. We managed to come away with two points despite losing 3-0. Hereford wasn't the first team to field an ineligible player (or five or six) against us. Keeling seems to have been the star of the day - firstly by bringing the horses up smartly, then by "putting any amount of dash into it" during the game itself. Bursting balls were an occupational hazard in those days. In 1909, we had a game against Longpark Pottery (isn't some fruit and veg seller there now?) abandoned when both our balls (and we only had two) burst.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 9:06:24 GMT
The Torquay Times’ mention of “on going down a steep hill, just clear of the city” even suggests a discrepancy in the location of the mishap. That could be read as beyond the city: Holloway Street, perhaps, the downhill continuation of South Street? The barracks – now known as Wyvern Barracks - are those on Topsham Road between county hall and Countess Wear. On the other hand, I’d like to think of the incident happening on the Iron Bridge itself. And, had it taken place at a time when a Babbacombe miscreant might have been involved, it's easy to imagine he made his progress along Exe Street and crept up from beneath the bridge. Thereafter he may even have sought refuge in the nearby city catacombs. As for watery graves at Dartmouth, it just so happens I had cause to make my way in the dark to Kingswear on Monday evening having used the “floating bridge” (Higher Ferry). Fortunately I did not trip down the embankment and, mishaps today aside, aim to make up the numbers at Plainmoor tonight. Iron Bridge, Exeter Catacombs, Exeter www.geograph.org.uk
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Post by Jon on Mar 2, 2011 0:21:30 GMT
I’d like to think of the incident happening on the Iron Bridge itself. And, had it taken place at a time when a Babbacombe miscreant might have been involved, it's easy to imagine he made his progress along Exe Street and crept up from beneath the bridge. I have always had a mental image of this happening at the Iron Bridge. Luscombe mentions coming "to a standstill in collision with the bridge" in North Street. The Iron Bridge is in North Street, isn't it? Joining up the dots, I had the wagon careering down St Davids Hill before coming to grief on the Iron Bridge. You can't just join up the dots to "make" history and it was certainly a schoolboy error to lay too much store on Luscombe's account in the first place. Accepting what you read and then putting two and two together is the kind of lazy history I would usually complain about. We can rule out Babbacombe-based football hooliganism as Babbacombe FC wasn't even a twinkle in Mr Dear's eye in 1901. I wonder if it could have been a politically-motivated sabotage? This happened in the year after Torquay had ruthlessly annexed Babbacombe and St Marychurch. Rumour has it that the brains behind the Babbacombe and St Marychurch Liberation Front fled to Exeter to lead the resistance in exile - changing his first name from Babbacombe to Barton to avoid detection. A wagon full of footballers representing the oppressive imperialist occupying force passing the end of his road might have been too big a temptation to resist. Contemporary reports mention the culprit singing "We want our steamroller back" as he watched the chaos he had caused.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 9:11:21 GMT
Contemporary reports mention the culprit singing "We want our steamroller back" as he watched the chaos he had caused. Might there have been an "unemployed steam roller driver" listed on Bonhay Road in the 1901 census?
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Post by thefarmersfriend on Mar 3, 2011 11:23:39 GMT
Fascinating stuff.
I used to live in the large building pictured at the city end of the Iron Bridge (a cheaply converted former butchers warehouse – it was bleddy freezing in winter!). Our address was No. 6 Iron Bridge rather than North Street. Have always kept around that area of Exeter and now live in Exe Street.
For what it's worth, my guess would also be the accident taking place on the steep section at Holloway Street.
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Post by Jon on Mar 3, 2011 23:03:46 GMT
Might there have been an "unemployed steam roller driver" listed on Bonhay Road in the 1901 census? I don't know, but I really think someone ought to find out. Is it too late for me to phone Crimestoppers on this one?
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Post by Jon on Mar 3, 2011 23:12:31 GMT
Fascinating stuff. I used to live in the large building pictured at the city end of the Iron Bridge (a cheaply converted former butchers warehouse – it was bleddy freezing in winter!). Our address was No. 6 Iron Bridge rather than North Street. Have always kept around that area of Exeter and now live in Exe Street. For what it's worth, my guess would also be the accident taking place on the steep section at Holloway Street. So North Street is just that little stretch by where Caterpillar Records used to be? Looks like another one for my list of Luscombe errata. As you live in the area, are you up for taking part in our reconstruction of this one Jon? Barton will be playing the part of the Babbacombe radical. I will be putting any amount of dash into my portrayal of Keeling and Stuartb has got a pantomime horse outfit for him and Chelston.
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Post by thefarmersfriend on Mar 4, 2011 8:13:02 GMT
Fascinating stuff. I used to live in the large building pictured at the city end of the Iron Bridge (a cheaply converted former butchers warehouse – it was bleddy freezing in winter!). Our address was No. 6 Iron Bridge rather than North Street. Have always kept around that area of Exeter and now live in Exe Street. For what it's worth, my guess would also be the accident taking place on the steep section at Holloway Street. So North Street is just that little stretch by where Caterpillar Records used to be? Looks like another one for my list of Luscombe errata. As you live in the area, are you up for taking part in our reconstruction of this one Jon? Barton will be playing the part of the Babbacombe radical. I will be putting any amount of dash into my portrayal of Keeling and Stuartb has got a pantomime horse outfit for him and Chelston. Yes, Lower North Street is the bit that dips down past the old brewery and comes back up at Pete's Models. I'm up for a bit of reconstruction, Jon! Happy playing the wheel... There's also a bloke who comes to the top of the catacombs every afternoon to gyrate in a bizarre fashion for a couple of hours at a time. Not sure of a part, but he's surely deserving of a wider audience! Have a look for him if you're ever passing Bartholomew Street East.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 8:37:12 GMT
I'm up for a bit of reconstruction, Jon! Happy playing the wheel... There's also a bloke who comes to the top of the catacombs every afternoon to gyrate in a bizarre fashion for a couple of hours at a time. Not sure of a part, but he's surely deserving of a wider audience! Have a look for him if you're ever passing Bartholomew Street East. He tends to get his deserved wider audience during the summer months when the Red Coat guide tours visit the catacombs. Can't think of a part for him to play in our reconstruction - maybe we could invoke the memory of Artful Thomas instead? www.exetermemories.co.uk/EM/_people/thomas.php
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Post by thefarmersfriend on Mar 5, 2011 11:24:02 GMT
I gather the catacomb gyrator is Italian. He lives in Lower North Street and basically sees his activity as a personal interpretation of tai-chi. Being Italian, this also seems to involve fags and strong coffee.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 21:12:38 GMT
I gather the catacomb gyrator is Italian. He lives in Lower North Street and basically sees his activity as a personal interpretation of tai-chi. Being Italian, this also seems to involve fags and strong coffee. An Italian? We now need Jon to supply evidence of a suitable connection with the Torquay United of the early 1900s.... Narracotti? (my apologies for deleting part of the Farmer's Friend's earlier post. That what comes of clicking the wrong button at the wrong time when you're an administrator. It made reference to Artful Thomas having twenty-one children).
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Post by Jon on Mar 14, 2011 20:39:43 GMT
An Italian? We now need Jon to supply evidence of a suitable connection with the Torquay United of the early 1900s.... Narracotti? We did have a Cassavetti in 1902-03. He scored for us against Cockington. It sounds Italian, but I always thought he must have been Mr Luscombe's "French amateur international" Henri Camanzindi (1899-1999 book, page 118). I suspect he was as much an international as Harold Tabernacle or Chris Roberts, but would love to be proved wrong. French /Italian, Camanzindi / Cassavetti, 1898/1899. Who cares as long as it makes a good story?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 20:51:21 GMT
We did have a Cassavetti in 1902-03. He scored for us against Cockington. It sounds Italian, but I always thought he must have been Mr Luscombe's "French amateur international" Henri Camanzindi (1899-1999 book, page 118). As England didn't start playing amateur internationals - according to my 1974/75 Rothmans - until 1906 I'd be surprised if France fielded a distinctly amateur XI before they slipped to a 15-0 defeat against the English in Paris on 1 November 1906. Did our lad play in this game or his country's 12-0 defeat in 1908 or the 11-0 slip-up in 1909? Perhaps he scored in France's 1-10 reverse at Brighton in 1910...
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Post by Jon on Mar 14, 2011 20:51:31 GMT
We did have a Cassavetti in 1902-03. He scored for us against Cockington. It sounds Italian, but I always thought he must have been Mr Luscombe's "French amateur international" Henri Camanzindi (1899-1999 book, page 118). Seems like the family came to Torquay from Pisa via Clifton College. Married a Russian lady who was startled by an enormous black bear. Isn't Google books brilliant - if a little frustrating?
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Post by Jon on Mar 14, 2011 21:02:05 GMT
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