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Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2011 21:04:16 GMT
A boss who shamed an employee by forcing him to wear a "thief" sign now has to sell his home to pay compensation to the former worker. Simon Cremer, who runs a flooring business in Essex, had to pay one-time employee Mark Gilbert compensation for the embarrassment.
In September 2008, the 46-year-old boss made Mr Gilbert, 40; go out in public with a placard around his neck that read: "THIEF. I Stole £845. Am on my way to the police station".
Mr Gilbert, who had written a company cheque to himself, was arrested on suspicion of theft but later accepted a police caution.
Mr Cremer later faced a charge of false imprisonment along with three other men, but the case was dropped. Soon after, Mr Gilbert launched a civil action against his former boss for the "stress, humiliation and trauma" he suffered during the incident. The pair settled out of court and Mr Cremer has had to pay a total of £34,000, including £5,000 in compensation and nearly £30,000 in legal costs.
So the thief gets a way with just a caution while the boss has to end up selling his house. I don’t think what he did was so wrong do you? Once upon a time thief’s etc could be put in the stocks and have rotten fruit thrown at them, these days it seems they can use the human rights act and come up laughing their heads off as they collect a nice load of cash.
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Post by loyalgull on Feb 16, 2011 22:22:40 GMT
are you surprised dave? the latest one now is to let all our darling little rapists and paedos come off the sex offenders register after 15 years,and walk off into the distance unhindered.Sod the the poor children and people they violated with there sick evil crimes,a life sentence in itself for their victims.That sick sick pervert jonothan king,remember him,the boy rapist,sat being interviewed tonight,without a care in the world,he couldnt give a shite.They dont see they have done wrong,its NORMAL for them,we need a good turkey shoot,that will sort these pervos out.I hope i havent hurt anyones feelings with this,if i have tough,i mean every word of it
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Post by lambethgull on Feb 16, 2011 23:01:25 GMT
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Post by loyalgull on Feb 16, 2011 23:02:38 GMT
you didnt put the address
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Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2011 23:06:09 GMT
loyalgull, you beat me to it as I was going to add this story to the thread I started about the prisoners votes. Just another example of our country having laws forced on it that it does not want.
They were debating this on the YES J.Vine show today and I don't think one single caller supported the changes being made. It should be remembered the change only gives them the right to appeal to have their names removed from the list.
The best that can be hoped for is our judges simply refuse each and every appeal put before them. That way no laws would have been broken and no sex offender will ever come off the list.
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Post by lambethgull on Feb 16, 2011 23:11:43 GMT
you didnt put the address Somewhere South of the Mason-Dixon line/Tamar I think  |
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Post by loyalgull on Feb 16, 2011 23:16:23 GMT
no creature that rapes or sexually assaults the vulnerable of this society should have the right of appeal dave,as i am sure you and nearly everybody on here would agree,it shouldnt of come up in the first place.Anyway not going to say anymore on this subject for now dave,some people might get offended attacking these little darlings
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Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2011 23:30:14 GMT
I fully agree and don't worry you have said nothing that anyone could have taken any offense from. Human rights are fine, but its the victims that never seem to have any, only the offenders.
If things end up going to far in this country, we may well see some sort of uprising one day, to force the changes needed to ensure we once again can make our own laws.
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Post by lambethgull on Feb 16, 2011 23:37:05 GMT
There'll be no uprising Dave. Uprisings require people to leave the comfort of their beds and pubs |
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Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2011 23:49:16 GMT
There'll be no uprising Dave. Uprisings require people to leave the comfort of their beds and pubs That should be possible Lambie, why even the students managed to do that didn't they ;D |
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Post by lambethgull on Feb 16, 2011 23:57:46 GMT
True enough, but students start almost every revolution!
I don't wish to offend anyone either, but the grievances aired in this thread are why we have radio phone ins, pub landlords and, dare I say it, internet forums instead of revolutions.
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Post by Dave on Feb 17, 2011 20:20:07 GMT
Today’s offering to this thread Another Example Of The Mad World We Live In I wish I could have asked some of the questions instead of Mr J.Vine. There were just a few facts I would have liked to have known as I felt they were important.
I will tell the story and then add my own thoughts and I hope you will too.
A mother and father starting noticing their nineteen year old daughter was starting to get thin, then two or three weeks before the incident, they found out she was a heroin addict.
On the day in question the father went to work as normal the daughter and the mother were at home and sometime during the day the daughters boyfriend came to the house.
The daughter it was claimed was trying to jump out of her bedroom window to get to a drug dealer to get some heroin. The boyfriend grabbed her before she could jumpout and had to hold her down on the floor. From what her father was telling J.Vine, it does sound like the daughter was going mad and kicking her legs out and was almost uncontrollable.
The mother wrapped some parcel tape over the outside of her daughters jeans near her ankle to one, stop her kicking and two preventing her from being able to get out to the drug dealer. I was OK up to this point as it does look like a case where a mother loves her daughter and is doing all she can to protect her daughter.
It was not made clear why the boyfriend did what he did next, but he put a handkerchief in the girl’s mouth. I wanted to know the reasons why he did that, but the question was not asked.
The next part of the story also has something that was not fully explained and I once again wished the right questions had been asked. The daughter had dialled 999 and the person on the end of the phone was able to hear all that was going on and alerted the police. Now the call was made before her legs were taped up, but that only happened after she tried to get out of the window. So I don’t know why she would have dialled 999 as one would think she must have done that before she tired to get out of the window. So being the detective I am, I think other things went on before and really need to be known as I fear those listening to the show only got half a story.
While there are a few gaps in the story, I think it’s important to remember the mum and boyfriend were doing what they felt was necessary to stop the girl getting out of the house and buying some more drugs. Due to the open phone line (was it a landline or her mobile?) the police turned up and arrested the mother and the boyfriend.
They were both badly advised it seems legally as they were told it would be best to plead guilty to the charges against them it was felt by doing so they would just get a caution and that would be the end of it.
The daughter wrote to the court and fully explained how she loved her mother who had never once harmed her and knew her mother was only trying to protect her.
The boyfriend was sent down for 18 months and the mother got 12 months in prison.
I did watch a few episodes of Emerdale Farm where a family had locked their daughter into her room to make her go through that cold turkey to get her off the drugs. I only got as far watching the story where the mother went out with out her husband knowing, to but some drugs for her daughter as she could not watch her suffering any longer. How did that all end? Does anyone know on here?
It seems that under such circumstances that the mother and boyfriend found themselves in, they should have just let her go out and buy the drugs she wanted, but is that right? Is that what you would do as the mother or father?
Not one call into today’s show said the mother and boyfriend did wrong (only real concerns were about the handkerchief in her mouth) and everyone seemed to think it was totally wrong the mother and the boyfriend were sent to prison. So what do you think?
My own views are they did what they thought was right to try and protect her, had no wish to harm her, just were trying to stop her from being able to harm herself. The daughter was very close to her mother and is now in even greater danger now that her mother is not there to help protect her.
Nearly forgot one other question I wanted the answer too, was her bedroom upstairs or downstairs.
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Post by jmgull on Feb 17, 2011 21:32:22 GMT
Mad world alright.....a few months ago I was alerted to a guy working the evening shift was stealing stock (fruit etc) his 18 yr old daughter also worked the same shift......the guy had worked for us for 25 years or so on and off, he was obviously trusted a local man from a well known local family.
CCTV pictures from the previous few months showed the scale of the thieving......him and his daughter were leaving with holdalls full of fruit/veg virtually every night, empty when they arrived full to bulging when they left.......his wife and 3 other younger children who picked them up each night were also seen.....coming out with bags full, even a suitcase full on a couple of occasions.
It wasn't huge theft....you can get about 20 quids worth in a holdall but overall it ran into thousands and thousands over a period of time (word was he was selling it to neighbours etc).
The CCTV evidence was completely damning but the police would not do a thing about it, telling us we would have to catch him ourselves in the act of putting stolen gear into his car.......it would get thrown out in court otherwise.
One sunday night we did our own sting.......caught the guy red-handed, police were called, he was arrested....and we had to spend the next 8 hours waiting to give a statement, on the way home i got flashed by a speed camera doing 37 in a 30 zone at 5 in the morning.
He admitted to having done it for a long period of time......
The result - his wife and other children were not even spoke to by the police, his daughter that worked for us.......not even spoken to by the police.........the guy himself, he got a caution and nothing else.....for admitting to stealing thousands, free to rip off the next local business that were unlucky enough to employ him or his kids.
I got fined £60 and 3 points from the speed camera ;D
Is it any wonder why people just dont bother reporting crimes to the police anymore.
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Post by Dave on Feb 17, 2011 21:48:19 GMT
It must hurt Justin when you provide someones living by employing them, only for them to then go and steal from you. When it comes to villains getting what they deserve, it never seems to happen these days and the question is why?
As you say he is free to go and steal from his next employer and probably will.
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Post by jmgull on Feb 17, 2011 21:59:49 GMT
It must hurt Justin when you provide someones living by employing them, only for them to then go and steal from you. When it comes to villains getting what they deserve, it never seems to happen these days and the question is why? As you say he is free to go and steal from his next employer and probably will. Yep......its a really sad state of affairs alright, the message it sends his kids is so wrong too..... |
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