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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 22:07:24 GMT
I was at the Truro v Tiverton game on Monday and – further to today’s Herald Express – can confirm there was no sign of Martin Rice. Truro, by the way, won 2-0 in front of 902 - although Tivvy’s Matt Villis at least managed to win the aerial battle with Les Afful. The game was pretty hard-fought – with Tiverton playing defensively and denying Truro space – until the sending off of Michael Booth (a Brixham boy I believe) turned the game in favour of the home side. It was one of those games which was better through remaining scoreless for an hour or so. An early goal for Truro could have made it a non-event.
So Truro have started well – five wins out of six – and Conference South next year has begun to look a possibility. I guess, in their own way, they’ve done what Notts County have in mind: splash out money on players who could be playing at a higher level, establish a winning momentum, garner all the publicity going and – dare I say it – develop a “brand” (not that I’m saying for one moment that Notts will even be aware of the so-called Cornish Tigers). Truro probably spent three or four times the money they needed to go through the Western League in the minimum two years but, they’ll argue, it laid the foundations and raised the profile creating, in the process, a “fan base” (to use the modern terminology). On the one hand, it’s big money (and possibly vanity) talking – will he one day pull the plug? – but, on the other, it’s good to see a group of largely Devon-based players moving up the pyramid.
But again, of course, you can see that in two ways. Mercenaries playing for biggish money at a level or two beneath them? Or decent, committed players prepared to rough it a bit and clock up more miles – and invest more time - than most other part-time footballers? And, amongst all Truro’s players, it’s still Andy Watkins – an ex-Western League player - who catches the eye showing what’s possible for an ambitious local non-league footballer. Truro, it appears, are fortunate (or clever) in the way they pay out plenty of dosh but receive lots of commitment in return.
Nonetheless, two things for us to ponder on the 1727 back to St David’s. How many of Truro’s new supporters are only interested in seeing a winning team? Secondly, what to make of a chairman who joins the team huddle after the game?
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Post by Dave on Sept 1, 2009 22:28:56 GMT
Great post Barton and when I go past the Tiverton ground twice a week, I aways look to see who they have got at home for their next game. I have been surprised many times, just far away some of the teams are that they play. I think its wonderful how well Truro are doing as I have aways felt that football took second place to rugby in Cornwall. I would love to see them one day become a proper league club and I wonder if Cornwall had a league club of its own, if many would still go over the bridge and support Plymouth. I think if a chairman joins in the group hug, it shows just how much he loves the club and just has to share in the celebrations and why not, mind you can't see our Alex wanting to do it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 22:48:26 GMT
I think its wonderful how well Truro are doing as I have aways felt that football took second place to rugby in Cornwall. I would love to see them one day become a proper league club and I wonder if Cornwall had a league club of its own, if many would still go over the bridge and support Plymouth. That's an interesting one. I'd say that east of St Austell people would still head towards Argyle (remembering that east and west Cornwall are, in their own way, as distinct as north and south Devon). Argyle, of course, do have support west of St Austell but my belief is that it has diminished over the years. In those parts Truro's problem is the direct competition with rugby and the Cornish Pirates in particular (who often draw larger crowds than TUFC). It strikes me the Cornish interest in football is split four ways: Argyle; the Premier League big boys; the existing Cornish clubs; home town loyalites of people who've moved to Cornwall. There's probably elements of all four groups in Truro's "new" support but I suspect the last group is particularly well-represented. I always imagine the Cornish accents at Treyew Road aren't from too far beyond Truro whereas the non-Cornish voices could come from further afield. I guess I'd be drawn there on a regular basis if I lived in those parts. Maybe it's easier for the non-Cornish born to start supporting Truro due to traditional inter-town rivalries?
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Post by Dave on Sept 1, 2009 22:57:10 GMT
It strikes me the Cornish interest in football is split four ways: Argyle; the Premier League big boys; the existing Cornish clubs; home town loyalites of people who've moved to Cornwall. There's probably elements of all four groups in Truro's "new" support but I suspect the last group is particularly well-represented. Why would you think that might be the case? it does not seem here in Torbay that those who move here, would want to support the local team. Could it be to do with the ages of the people who might move to Cornwall, IE more younger family types, while in Torbay it would be mostly retired people.?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 23:25:28 GMT
There's a few tongue-in-cheek observations in this reply but, overall, I believe migration to Cornwall isn't too different to that of South Devon in that it's actually a mixture of people of all ages. The South West is attracting people who've studied here (Falmouth, Exeter and Plymouth have massive student populations), professional-types who like the lifestyle (teachers, social workers, health professionals, etc tend to be mobile and come from all over the place), people who can work/run businesses from home and - of course - the retirees (amongst others). What might be more true for Cornwall is that there's an anti-urban, alternative appeal to the place which attracts some younger people. In this sense - believe it or not - Torbay would be seen as more in keeping with mainstream, urban Britain (I mean it's not that different to Hackney, is it?). So, yes, I guess there's a rich variety of younger folk - surfies, sailors, artists, performers, the eco-minded - heading towards Cornwall as opposed to securing a one-way ticket beyond the Penn Inn roundabout (although, of course, they may venture into our "catchment area" en route to Totnes, Bantham and Salcombe). But are they a particularly fertile recruiting ground for the Yellow Army? Perhaps we should send Aussie on a Popular Side recruitment drive in Totnes? People who move to South Devon do watch Torquay United but, of course, we're talking about these comprising a relatively small chunk of a core support of 2,000 to 2,500. Truro City, on the other hand, is really only in the process of upping its support from a 100 to more like 500/600. In this way perhaps the non-Cornish accents stand out and it's only a question of scale. I have no evidence.
Mind you, could you argue there's more to do in Devon on a Saturday afternoon in winter? I mean, how would you spend a wet Saturday in Penryn other than head towards the nearest football pitch? Also, another thought is that some people moving to Cornwall might be - whatever the locals may say - keen to buy into the whole Cornish identity thing and start supporting Cornish sport. Apparently Cornwall is pretty cool these days (although, relatively speaking, this might not be a view widely held by us Devonians).
I'd like to know more about support for the Cornish Pirates rugby team. The Pirates - as such - are only a few years old and are a product of the rebranding of the old Penzance and Newlyn RFC. Over the past four or five years they've moved from Penzance to Truro to Camborne. At first there was, I understand, hostility from the supporters of Camborne and Redruth, traditional rivals to Penzance and Newlyn. Now I'm really not sure what's happened. Has the hatchet been buried between the three sets of supporters? Have supporters of other clubs signed up to the project? Are entirely new rugby supporters being attracted from other parts of Cornwall, locally-born or not? I really don't know. It would be intriguing to find out, especially as to the nature of the Cornish identity presented by the Pirates. Is it of the inclusive kind which welcomes all-comers? Or of the exlusive sort which feasts on nationalism and a suspicion towards those who are not us? If it's a bit too heavy on the old "All for one, one for all", the "English" might prefer Truro City and the warm embrace of its' London Irish chairman....
It's getting rather late and I'm sure a former Cornish resident on this site may have answered a few of these points for us a few months back!
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Post by joebarlow on Sept 2, 2009 10:48:38 GMT
Truro City are a side on the up; which obviously has an attraction to people going into Cornwall. If they see that the local side is winnig nearly every week and has big ambitions of becoming Cornwall`s first football league club. People may think to themselves that they want to be part of that history so they can say to thier kids"I was there when Truoro became a football league club".
Devon & Cornwall always has people from other parts of the UK. I think that there arent many people who were born Devon & Cornwall who have parents who were born in Devon & Cornwall left in the area. I think this is due to many people leaving the area for better places, like work in London or University in other areas.
I am afraid that I am going to leave Torquay in the next yar or so to go University seeing as Torquay dosent have one and Plymouth and Exeter University may not have what I want.
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Post by macedge on Sept 3, 2009 16:47:24 GMT
I too watched the game on Monday and, like Barton Downs, was very impressed by Andy Watkins - a slight physique but with a good first touch, excellent running off the ball and an awareness of the game going on around him. Reading the programme I was surprised to see that he had done the rounds of non-league sw clubs - he still looked in his early 20s - and apparently plays this well in every game Jamie Hatch, playing for Tiverton, was a little disappointing but he looked better than most of his team mates. I sat next to a Southend supporter who was stunned to hear that over half the players playing had been pro footballers at some stage. He has a lot of experience of the Essex leagues which he reckoned were of a much higher standard, teams being composed of young hungry footbalers all hoping to be picked up by London/SE clubs. Players tended to be fast,skilful and techically composed on the ball whereas the Truro and Tiverton players were older, slower and keen to get rid of it as fast as possible. It was interesting having another view and perhaps an eye opener as to why Steve Woods resisted the offer of the Truro loan ! The players on Monday seemed to be either big or little whereas
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 21:09:56 GMT
I am afraid that I am going to leave Torquay in the next year or so to go University seeing as Torquay doesn't have one and Plymouth and Exeter University may not have what I want. Well, I guess, it depends on what you want to study and the grades you are going to achieve. Some subjects are available practically everywhere; others at just a handful of places. And - as for the football - if you're off to somewhere like Leeds I'd suggest still getting to the Torquay aways but also trying to see as wide a range of other matches as possible. You may miss those home games at Plainmoor but they can always wait for the holidays. Trust me... I sat next to a Southend supporter who was stunned to hear that over half the players playing had been pro footballers at some stage. He has a lot of experience of the Essex leagues which he reckoned were of a much higher standard, teams being composed of young hungry footballers all hoping to be picked up by London/SE clubs. I'd have thought that would have been more true at the level below the one at which Truro and Tiverton play. From what I've seen there isn't much difference between levels 4 and 5 of the non-league game (which would translate to Isthmian 1(N) and the Essex Senior in your Southend friend's neck of the woods). There is, I believe, more of a gap between levels 3 and 4. However, I would admit that the style of play at levels 5 and 6 - usually open and attacking - is often more enjoyable to watch. By contrast, the higher grade stuff can appear attritional. Tiverton were rather limited on Monday - they've now been tootling along in mid-table for several seasons now - and have probably reached the point where a change of management might be for the best. Equally, of course, it could prove disastrous. Perhaps there's not a big enough reason to get rid of Martyn Rogers and - maybe - he is the club these days through his virtual full-time involvement. One or two final points about Truro picking up on Joe's point about the possibility of them one day entering the Football League. If this ever happens, it'll probably be entirely due to the financial clout of Kevin Heaney, their owner, in hand with an incredibly shrewd application of his investment. At present - three or four years after he became involved - you'd have to say they've achieved everything to plan to date. Heavy investment or not, that's pretty impressive. But, of course, Mr Heaney is exceptionally wealthy and has featured in the Sunday Times Rich List. Provided his businesses continue to flourish - he's in construction – the amount he’s putting into the club, by his own standards, is no more than petty cash. On the other hand – by the standards of the leagues through which Truro have progressed – it’s megabucks. Now, to achieve the two promotions needed to reach the Football League – and to improve the existing ground or build a new one – he’s got to multiply that investment several times over. Then – once the Promised Land is reached – he must continue to invest more and more money. His businesses may boom; they may fail. He may keep at the game; he may lose interest. It all boils down to him and – in the nature of these things – it’s all rather fragile. The game is littered with burst bubbles in similar situations and – often it seems – the sugar daddies walk away once the train hits even the flimsiest of buffers. A council rejects a planning application - or a league refuses entry – and, suddenly, the game is over. Lots of people outside of Truro – in a know all way - expect this to happen. This doesn’t have to be the way and maybe, just maybe, Truro will make it. However, the problem remains that efforts have to be made to make the club sustainable - at whatever level - should things go wrong. Although we know gate receipts are only part of the story Truro would, by most estimates, have to build up to a core support of around 2,500 (plus another thousand floaters) to have any chance of making league football viable post-Heaney. In that sense, they’ve a long way to go. People associated with the club might talk of a growing county of 530,000 people crying out for a Football League team. Well, I’m not sure about that. For a start, take out the 180,000 living in those districts - Caradon and North Cornwall – which border Devon. Then think twice about Penwith (Penzance and surrounds) and the rugby lovers in Camborne and Redruth. Quite soon you’re down to the “football triangle” between Falmouth, Newquay and St Austell which probably has a smaller population than South Devon. On that basis the Conference would be a fine achievement, but would it be appreciated? Mind you, whatever the outcome, it’s certainly worth following and - yes - good luck to them.
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Post by joebarlow on Sept 4, 2009 14:42:37 GMT
I am afraid that I am going to leave Torquay in the next year or so to go University seeing as Torquay doesn't have one and Plymouth and Exeter University may not have what I want. Well, I guess, it depends on what you want to study and the grades you are going to achieve. Some subjects are available practically everywhere; others at just a handful of places. And - as for the football - if you're off to somewhere like Leeds I'd suggest still getting to the Torquay aways but also trying to see as wide a range of other matches as possible. You may miss those home games at Plainmoor but they can always wait for the holidays. Trust me... I will miss Plainmoor alot, hopefully I m ight be able to make away games and if I can hopefully I`ll be able to drive down for the home games or catch the train. I am on target to get good grades and if I get them I hope to go to either Bath or Leeds University.
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Post by aussie on Sept 4, 2009 16:19:07 GMT
Well, I guess, it depends on what you want to study and the grades you are going to achieve. Some subjects are available practically everywhere; others at just a handful of places. And - as for the football - if you're off to somewhere like Leeds I'd suggest still getting to the Torquay aways but also trying to see as wide a range of other matches as possible. You may miss those home games at Plainmoor but they can always wait for the holidays. Trust me... I will miss Plainmoor alot, hopefully I m ight be able to make away games and if I can hopefully I`ll be able to drive down for the home games or catch the train. I am on target to get good grades and if I get them I hope to go to either Bath or Leeds University. Good luck buddy! I`m sure you won`t need it though you`ll get great results because you have a great attitude!
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