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Post by aussie on Dec 30, 2010 10:23:29 GMT
Any see todays H/E about the freedom of information act being forced upon the council because Councilor Carroll tried to block the information getting out in the public domain. He being an ex-Mason ( only stepped down from being a Mason when he got caught ) had chucked three planning councilors off the planning board so he could put his mason buddies in place of them for guaranteed control of town planning. The council is riddled with Torrie's/Masons, I stated this years ago and got panned for it, their also in with the Churches. This is the three way joint effort to house smack heads in factory row, the council. the masons and the churches homeless trust all got together to reap Euro-cash for taking the countries wasters and put them all together in our town center, lining their own pockets as usual. The sooner that lot of Tory cheats are out the better the town will be. I`m willing to bet that the major players behind Tor2 are these same bent councilors that are or were masons yet again lining their filthy pockets as we sort their waste out for recycling so they can profit!
Edit:- Allegedly is apparently a word required to sum this all up!
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 30, 2010 18:56:56 GMT
I subscribe to Groucho Marx's axiom that I would never join a club that would accept me as a member myself, Aus, but how do you know there aren't any masons on here?   |
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Post by stuartB on Dec 30, 2010 21:37:35 GMT
I am not a mason but do not subscribe to the paranoia about the masons.
I met a guy in the RAF, who I wnet fishing with and spent many hours with him. we became great mates. He told me one day that he was the youngest grand master mason for Kent but never tried to "recruit" me. He told me of all the great charitable work that they do.
I have be asked to join the masons many times but it is not for me.
I'm sure there are very good people in this organisation but it is tainted by the ones who want to feather their own nest.
I have had many debates on the subject. No one has convinced me yet that the masons are any different to any other club, organisation, friends or forum where you are more likely to employ, help etc someone you know than a complete stranger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2010 23:55:53 GMT
I have been asked to join the masons many times but it is not for me. Not the Taffia, surely? Pleased to say nobody has ever thought I'm the right material! To paraphrase some of Aus's previous postings: Masons? Just say "NO!" |
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Post by aussie on Dec 31, 2010 9:27:17 GMT
I subscribe to Groucho Marx's axiom that I would never join a club that would accept me as a member myself, Aus, but how do you know there aren't any masons on here? I don`t know, and if there are can they explain why they are trying to dominate the town hall if it isn`t to line their own filthy pockets! |
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Post by Dave on Dec 31, 2010 20:10:51 GMT
I subscribe to Groucho Marx's axiom that I would never join a club that would accept me as a member myself, Aus, but how do you know there aren't any masons on here? I don`t know, and if there are can they explain why they are trying to dominate the town hall if it isn`t to line their own filthy pockets! Aussie there has been no suggestions made that anything that happened was done to line anyones pockets. The concerns raised were more to do with how the Torbay public might come to some conclusions because of the personal changes made on the planning board. Most people I have talked to about this, feel the changes were made so Carroll could get things passed that he could not before. Both Carroll and Bye have in the past cried to the Herald Express how everyone tries to block what they see as progress happening in the Bay. Is that how it really was? my own view is that the two of them have never wanted to or were prepared to listen to the people of Torbay, it has only ever been about what they want to happen. The cons have kicked Carroll out as their leader and told Bye we don't like you and nor does anyone else, both I hope are now finished in the Bay and won't be able to get away with all they have in the past. There is one concern now that Bye has been told he does not have a conflict of interest were the Churston golf coarse plans are concerned. He is now free to give it the go ahead and I fear he might just do that to spite the people of Torbay. We are stuck with the Mayor system. only this time we need to get the right man for the job and the people of Torbay had better make sure they use their vote this time, if we are not to see Bye somehow sneak in again as an independent. |
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Post by davethegull on Jan 1, 2011 5:38:38 GMT
Step forward our very own Julien Parrott..........are you going to give it another crack Julien?
An honest and genuine guy. He would get my vote. Of course Julien is a massive Gulls fan which helps. ;D
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Post by aussie on Jan 1, 2011 11:03:07 GMT
What you need to understand is the mentality of the typical person that actually wants to be a politician or councilor, there are some good ones but no where near as many that are self serving, greedy and corrupt. Not many of them go down this career path with the sole interest of the public, it is to benifit themselves and their position in society, just like being a Mason, it`s all about string pulling and how they can get the best for themselves! You get decent people like Parrot and Sanders for example and they have to do battle with Carroll and his planning dept that are all Masons, they don`t stand a chance because Carroll will make them close ranks. I wonder how many developers are masons or friends of masons, some one should investigate the developers and see how many mason contacts they have when they get permission to do a build, and who gets a brown envelope. We all know it goes on but no-one actually comes out and says it, m.P,s expences are nothing compared to the other scandelous behaviour that goes on in and around town halls. Allegedly!
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Post by the92ndfish on Jan 1, 2011 23:25:51 GMT
Henry Kissinger said "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." Local politics are much the same because central government has taken away so much of their responsibility and power since WW2. Outside of London, Britain doesn't have strong local politics like America or Victorian Britain. Thus anyone with real political ambition and a desire to do things will not go into local politics, which is becoming increasingly more and more an admin job than anything else. Instead they'll be attracted to parliament.
What you're left with instead is the dregs or people who want to fill their own pockets. It doesn't necessarily mean that all politicians are only out for themselves, just that local politics is a rather dead end career these days. Unless of course you want to try the elected Mayor -> MP route which Nick Bye failed so amazingly at.
Torbay is especially prominent in regards to poor local leadership because it has since time immemoriable been dominated by the wealthy elite. They come down here to retire or just enjoy the environment after years in ugly cities and they stifle any development or progress because they don't want anything to change. Not for them are the problems of the youth in the Bay, of business in the Bay or the many unemployed. They've already made their money and don't want to see anything changed, heaven forbid something like a bypass which might ruin the small bit of land they walk their dog on once a year.
The town council just continues this small town provincialism and never really tries anything ambitious out of it's tired old remit of tourism. Even when it does the letters page of the Herald is flooded with complaints from those who oppose everything for the sake of opposing it. Thus you have the twin problems of a small town mentality and little incentive for people to join the council. With this in mind it's not particularly surprising to see it's full of 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' types. I don't think it's really because of any Masonic connection, more simply a sign of what the town is.
The whole idea of the elected mayoral system was to break out of this and elect someone with new ideas from outside this elite. Also to give them the powers to overrule them and actually get something done. Instead we elected one of them, largely because upon his support to keep Upton St James open and surprise surprise barely anything of note has been done.
The Bay has dozens of problems but I don't really think Masonic influence is one of them. The Old Boy's network in Torbay functions just fine without the Masons, having worked at the Palace Hotel for a couple of years and seen all these figures regularly, it's amazing what an incestous world Torbay politics is.
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