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Post by Jon on Nov 4, 2010 23:10:18 GMT
What is the smallest number of players possible to link out first ever League game to Tuesday's match at Oxford?
Start with a player who played against Oxford (or an unused sub if it makes it easier), find a player he played with for Torquay some time ago who links to another player and so on until you get back to a player in our first ever match e.g. Bill played alongside Fred who payed alongside John who played alongside Bert etc.
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Post by powles1 on Nov 5, 2010 8:50:31 GMT
Best I can do is 11. Lawrie Millsom 1927-31 Lew Tapp 1931-36 Bert Head 1936-50 Tommy Northcott 1948-65 John Benson 1964-70 Ian Twitchin 1969-80 Steve Phillips 1974-86 Mark Loram 1984-93 Richard Hancox 1992-2005 Kevin Hill 1997-2007 Martin Gritton 2002
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2010 21:16:19 GMT
Steve Phillips is an astonishingly good call and not one I would have got.
You can link a number of the current squad with Tony Bedeau and, hence, Tom Kelly and Steve Phillips. That saves one, I think.
And, would you believe, Phillips once appeared alongside Jim Fryatt in December 1974? Fryatt then gives a link via Geoff Cox - or Alan Smith - back to Dennis Lewis, Phil Joslin, Albert Huchinson and Laurie Milsom.
This could do my head in....
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Post by Jon on Nov 5, 2010 23:03:01 GMT
Well done to powles1 for spotting the joker in the pack in Steve "He's fat, he's round, he's worth a million pounds" Phillips.
His proper United career lasted less than a year - and we didn't get a million pounds for him when he left - but he had a month loan spell eleven years earlier. That makes him one of only two players who bridge "Ground Zero" by playing both before and after the Webb era.
Eleven was a cracking effort, but Bartie has nipped in with a ten.
The Phillips / Fryatt link is a strange one, because it allows you to leap just short of twenty years using two players with only 68 league appearances betwen them.
Can anyone manage a nine?
If not, how about a ten excluding players who took an eleven year career break?
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Post by stefano on Nov 6, 2010 0:05:31 GMT
Hell Jon I've had a busy week and now you're doing my head in again with links between now and 1927!! Reminds me of that six degrees of separation which I am sure most will have heard of. Basically it works that if you are given a name of somebody (doesn't matter at all where they live, you could be England and them in Australia, Ukraine, Alaska, or anywhere (but Rome)) in six steps of contact you will be able to contact them. You think about where they live. Speak to somebody who may know that area or somebody you think may know somebody who knows that area....and so it goes on until you reach the named person. It's always within six steps (or contacts) unless of course you are a complete idiot! Spooky really. Gives a whole new slant to 'It's a Small World'.
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Post by stefano on Nov 6, 2010 0:10:08 GMT
These things are not easy to ride you know! Where's the bloody owner gone?!!
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Post by powles1 on Nov 6, 2010 5:30:56 GMT
Has Bartie got it down to 10? Jim Fryatt was 1966-1974 so yes he did overlap with Steve Phillips in 1974 and that could eliminate Ian Twitchin from my list. However Tommy Northcott's last appearance was in 1965 so an overlap for that year is still required hence the need for John Benson or someone else of that era to cover for just one year. Bartie is really substituting Jim Fryatt for Ian Twitchin still leaving a 11 player link.
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Post by Jon on Nov 6, 2010 19:11:35 GMT
Has Bartie got it down to 10? I think he has. His sneaky use of Jim Fryatt didn't actually save him a link - he just got back from Steve Phillips to 1927 via an alternative route. He did pip you by getting from Phillips to the current squad in just two steps - Kelly and Bedeau - versus your three. Kelly and Beds only just appeared together - Beds' debut as a 16 year-old coming in Kelly's last season. In effect, Bartie got rid of Richard Hancox!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 20:34:36 GMT
In effect, Bartie got rid of Richard Hancox! Maybe that is destined to be my contribution to the club's history? Ah, but I was there when he made that substitute appearance at Rochdale... This is a wonderfully fiendish puzzle. I've tried Ralph Calland, Don Mills and Ron Shaw in a forlorn attempt to get down to nine. I also seem to be stuck with the lack of a direct link from Laurie Milsom to beyond the war. I guess that's a reflection of the difficulty in putting sides together to compete in the League after 1927. Many players didn't last too long in those early days.
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Post by Jon on Feb 19, 2021 18:07:57 GMT
Bump. From 1927 to 2010 in ten players.
Bedeau to Nicholson to Reid to Lemonheigh-Evans makes 1927 to 2021 in twelve.
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Post by Jon on Feb 20, 2021 14:15:31 GMT
Bump. From 1927 to 2010 in ten players. Bedeau to Nicholson to Reid to Lemonheigh-Evans makes 1927 to 2021 in twelve. This is one you can't help scratching. After my quick reply, I suddenly thought I could cut one by replacing Nicholson and Reid with Ryan Dickson. But then I realised Dickson's first loan came during Bedeau's gap year at Walsall, so I couldn't anyway. Back in 2010, I was still just about going along with the usual line of the world starting in 1927. When we were relegated to National League South, this became untenable. So as we fast approach our centenary, we really should now go back to Weymouth 3/9/21. I think I can get there in 13 steps, using my recently-acquired knowledge that there was only one Alf Knapman. I will start with the man who answered the Athletic News advert to become our first player-coach - Fred Mortimer (not the real one). I have also brought in Robin Stubbs for John Benson. No offence to Benson, but Robin Stubbs is Robin Stubbs. 1 Mortimer, Fred 1921 to 1926 5 seasons 2 Bayes, Archie 1924 to 1930 6 seasons 3 Knapman, Alf 1927 to 1946 19 seasons 4 Head, Bert 1936 to 1951 15 seasons 5 Northcott, Tommy 1948 to 1966 18 seasons 6 Stubbs, Robin 1963 to 1973 10 seasons 7 Twitchin, Ian 1969 to 1981 12 seasons 8 Phillips, Steve 1974 to 1987 13 seasons 9 Kelly, Tom 1986 to 1996 10 seasons 10 Bedeau, Tony 1995 to 2008 13 seasons 11 Nicholson, Kevin 2007 to 2017 10 seasons 12 Reid, Jamie 2014 to 2020 6 seasons 13 Lemonheigh-Evans, Connor 2017 to 2021 4 seasons
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Post by plainmoorpete on Feb 20, 2021 15:20:29 GMT
Surely the inclusion of Steve Phillips leaves a gap of five years unaccounted for.
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Post by Jon on Nov 6, 2022 11:12:59 GMT
This is one you can't help scratching. After my quick reply, I suddenly thought I could cut one by replacing Nicholson and Reid with Ryan Dickson. But then I realised Dickson's first loan came during Bedeau's gap year at Walsall, so I couldn't anyway. Back in 2010, I was still just about going along with the usual line of the world starting in 1927. When we were relegated to National League South, this became untenable. So as we fast approach our centenary, we really should now go back to Weymouth 3/9/21. I think I can get there in 13 steps, using my recently-acquired knowledge that there was only one Alf Knapman. I will start with the man who answered the Athletic News advert to become our first player-coach - Fred Mortimer (not the real one). I have also brought in Robin Stubbs for John Benson. No offence to Benson, but Robin Stubbs is Robin Stubbs. 1 Mortimer, Fred 1921 to 1926 5 seasons 2 Bayes, Archie 1924 to 1930 6 seasons 3 Knapman, Alf 1927 to 1946 19 seasons 4 Head, Bert 1936 to 1951 15 seasons 5 Northcott, Tommy 1948 to 1966 18 seasons 6 Stubbs, Robin 1963 to 1973 10 seasons 7 Twitchin, Ian 1969 to 1981 12 seasons 8 Phillips, Steve 1974 to 1987 13 seasons 9 Kelly, Tom 1986 to 1996 10 seasons 10 Bedeau, Tony 1995 to 2008 13 seasons 11 Nicholson, Kevin 2007 to 2017 10 seasons 12 Reid, Jamie 2014 to 2020 6 seasons 13 Lemonheigh-Evans, Connor 2017 to 2021 4 seasons Asa Hall had taken over as number thirteen, but now Mark Ellis gets rid of Nicholson, Reid and Hall as he played with Tony Bedeau back in 2007/08. So we can now go over 101 years with just eleven players! When you see a list of eleven players, it is the law that you have to try to fit them into a workable formation. A nice attacking 4-2-4. Bayes Bedeau Head Ellis Kelly Twitchin Mortimer Knapman Phillips Stubbs Northcott or in 1921 style, a good old-fashioned 2-3-5 : Bayes Head Kelly Twitchin Ellis Mortimer Bedeau Stubbs Northcott Phillips Knapman
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Post by Jon on Nov 6, 2022 11:48:40 GMT
So we can now go over 101 years with just eleven players! When you see a list of eleven players, it is the law that you have to try to fit them into a workable formation. A nice attacking 4-2-4. or in 1921 style, a good old-fashioned 2-3-5 … or I could put Mortimer to sweep behind Head and Ellis, play Bedeau and Knapman as wing-backs, Twitch and Kelly as a solid two in midfield, stick Tommy Northcott through the middle and have Stubbs and Phillips feeding off him.
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