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Post by merse on Aug 11, 2010 16:08:57 GMT
 Right, let's put this on a dedicated thread away from what was supposed to be a tribute thread to a recently deceased local footballer. But first, why the hell did one particular poster chose to confuse everyone by starting a duplicate thread less than an hour after Loyalgull began the original one? I can only assume that poster either can't or doesn't read the site thoroughly before he posts, although I admit that until just now I had failed to realise that there had indeed been two threads despite posting on both of them. I had somehow assumed that my opening post on the original one had been deleted. However, as already pointed out, with the privilege of free speech comes the duty of responsibility and I would humbly suggest if someone feels the need to "go into one" over some perceived "Princess Diana Complex" over Adam Stansfield then it was DtG's responsibity to do so on another thread and merely keep off the original thread rather than offend so many people. I think the concept of free speech is pretty well adhered to on this site. Unlike another site I could mention, a major incident in the close season regarding something precious to many fans and one volunteer in particular did not somehow mysteriously disappear into the ether did it? This site is not professionally run and brings a great deal of pleasure to over 700 members whether they chose to post on it or merely "lurk". If that is not to the satisfaction of you Sue (Powell) then feel free to open your own forum and run it to your parameters of free speech. Having been barred from one site for "outing" the true identity of the person who controls it with an iron fist, another for pointing out that one of it's moderators was using the site to promote his own racist views and a third for calling a former owner of Torquay United a "buffoon"; I know all about the concept of free speech and how it's perceived abuse can be instantaneously dealt with. I don't really believe that free speech is restricted on this site more than any other in which the proprietor has a legal duty to ensure it is run within the bounds of decency, truth and wihtout intimidation, threat or libel. Over to the other side of the "argument" then.......................
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Post by merse on Aug 11, 2010 16:19:03 GMT
Sue beat me to it..................so if Dave can move my opening post onto her thread I think it would be best. Is that possible?
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Post by merse on Aug 12, 2010 19:59:19 GMT
This site is not professionally run and brings a great deal of pleasure to over 700 members whether they chose to post on it or merely lurk.
I don't really believe that free speech is restricted on this site more than any other in which the proprietor has a legal duty to ensure it is run within the bounds of decency, truth and without intimidation, threat or libel. I could have worded the first part of the quote better. It most certainly IS professionally run, what I should have said is that the person who runs it does it in his spare time and not as his living; and although I have had my fall outs with him ~ I must say what a genuine and ethical job Dave makes of running this site for all of us. I would never question DtG's right to express his distaste for others posting their feelings over the tragic loss of someone, but I certainly DO question his decency in putting that point of view on the thread that clearly should be treated with the utmost respect ~ what he did was akin to belching and farting at a graveside. A man of his age and education should have shown common sense and posted those feelings on a dedicated thread. How would he feel if he was reading tributes to one of his own family and some oik came along and posted something like that? I think on reflection whilst he cannot post, DtG will realise that he has let the forum down, by association let the whole Torquay United family down and most of all let himself down. Some time ago he took great exception to a joke I made referring to him and sunamis. That was innapropriate and unthinking by me, not stopping to think that he most probably experienced first hand trauma at one such tragedy and I made an apology without reservation. I simply didn't stop to think that day and I reckon he simply didn't stop to think when all this kicked off. But really, none of this is Dave Roach's doing but he has had to deal with it and for Sue Powell then to claim that "free speech" is being impedimented is simply wrong and unjust. But at least she has had the opportunity to aire that view on here, and why shouldn't she? So how is that then if we don't have freedom of speech on here? I'd like her to respond to that question. |
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Post by loyalgull on Aug 12, 2010 20:58:50 GMT
there is no doubt merse this has been a dark 24 hours for this forum,particularly with the football world alert and as one in grief for one of its own.Sadly it is false reflection on almost all of us on here..Daver does a brilliant and at times thankless job keeping this forum going,and we almost all know how good this forum is,thanks to him and the other admin team,and most of our postings.But there is an element of trust put on us,unwritten really,that we respect each other,even if certain posters dont get on.And that we can be respectful and courteous on other peoples views even if we dont agree,and duly have the right to post we disagree.Freedom of of speech is good,but it doesnt give anybody the right to be,rude,callous and darned right disrespectful to anyone particularly in a thread of someones passing.Thats abuse of freedom of speech in my book
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Post by stuartB on Aug 12, 2010 21:08:31 GMT
Freedom of speech is a right but it comes with responsibilities.
It's a bit like this generation going on about respect all the time when they don't know the meaning of the word and it is earned and not a right
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Post by keyberrygull on Aug 12, 2010 22:44:06 GMT
If a member of the TFF is posting content that is damaging the reputation of the forum and its members he should be stopped immediately.
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THAT?
This is not about freedom of speech but just typical of the society we live in today. Legal aid and sympathy for wrongdoer and Grief for the person trying to do the proper and right thing. Dave is the one that we should all be feeling for and supporting not poor old DTG...............
When a person is accused of a very serious crime, he's not offered bail but kept in custody until his trial. As far as i'm concerned DTG can stay in custody forever, guantanamo bay preferably.
Night Night.
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Post by Dave on Aug 12, 2010 23:37:34 GMT
I said it was for five days and five days it will be, I would hope Dave will realise all the problems his posts have caused and say a quick sorry as that would be the easiest way to move on.
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Post by merse on Aug 13, 2010 6:43:27 GMT
I said it was for five days and five days it will be Perhaps DtG's bout of "Internet Blasphemy" brought forth a judgement from above, but the old bugger wiped out the wrong forum with his bolt of lightning!  |
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Post by stokeygull on Aug 22, 2010 12:39:05 GMT
Some time ago he took great exception to a joke I made referring to him and sunamis. That was innapropriate and unthinking by me, not stopping to think that he most probably experienced first hand trauma at one such tragedy and I made an apology without reservation. I simply didn't stop to think that day and I reckon he simply didn't stop to think when all this kicked off. Last year a superb documentary on the tsunami was broadcast on channel 4. Whilst the focus is on westerners (as they're the people with the footage) the show really bought home the magnitude boxing day 2004. I cannot begin to comprehend Dave's experience in Phuket. Definately worth a watch: www.darlowsmithson.com/Productions/Videos/2009/Tsunami.aspx?pt=Currentwww.channel4.com/programmes/tsunami-caught-on-camera |
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